World War Hulk vs Juggernut

Originally posted by SamZED
You ignored: Hulk getting hurt, ignored Juggernaut dominating in the h2h fight after everyone in this thread including me pointed this out, ignored Juggs physicaly overpowering Hulk, ignored the fact that Hulk failed to hurt the Juggernaut, ignored me proving that Juggernaut is physically capable of bfring Hulk and me proving that its not outside of his character to do that etc.

False what? That it happened thanks to Xavier's distraction and WILL NOT HAPPEN in a VS FORUM because (read the rules) he is not present here? Juggernaut dominates the fight, beats up Hulk, overpowers him and Hulk bfrs him thanks to Xavier's distration. And going by that you give Hulk a win in a VS FORUM because you think Xavier will be there again to cause a distraction. Which he wont, so your whole argument is moot.

Again, your speculation, notice im not the only one to tell you that "Hulk becoming too strong and punching through Cytorak's spell" is just a speculation that isn't backed up with anything. Gonna have to post proofs that Hulk can do that, because again, his best attack didn't do squat to Juggernaut in the book. It's your opinion vs facts from books. And Hulk's healing factor doesn't prevent him from getting hurt or koed if enough force is used.

Im not unless you're suggesting that everyone's biased except you. The writer made it clear that Juggernaut dominated in the h2h fight and overpowered Hulk physically. It's not my opinion, its a fact from the book. Im not the only one who sees that.

Another speculation on your part, in the comicbook it happened thanks to Xavier. Not the case here. Plot thing aside Hulk is no more capable of bfring Juggs, than Juggs of bfring Hulk, both are physically capable of that.

That's not what was shown in the comics. Juggernaut was clearly winning in the slugfest and is also capable of bfring Hulk. If you didn't notice that you should read the book again. Or just look at the scans I posted above. And I dont recall WW Hulk fighting Thor. It was other version of the Hulk, the same that was put down by Juggs punches anyway and even by lesser force.

I don't, you clearly do it you can look at those scans and say that Hulk was winning in a h2h, while he was clearly losing. Just because he wasn't crying doesn't mean he wasn't hurt, he clearly was and nothing suggests that a continued beating wouldn't have put him down if just 3 punches did so much damage.

Id say SG is a new definition of PIS. Still the WW Hulk book made it pretty clear that Juggernaut was winning in h2h.

Skaar cheapshotted Jugernaut using THE OLD POWER which Hulk DOESN'T HAVE after Juggernaut REFUSED to kill him because he was just a kid, even though Juggernaut COULD'VE. Juggs refusing to finish Skaar off when he had the chance has nothing to do with smarts. Are you suggesting that Juggernaut will feel sorry for Hulk the way he did for Skaar, turn his back and let Hulk bfr him using the power he doesn't even have? Unless that's what you're suggesting I dont see where you're going with that. Point for sam.

1. Scans proved Hulk was hurt by just 3 hits and that Juggernaut easilly dominated in h2h. An important thing for a vs forum. You can't just ignore it. Hulk can be hurt, he can be koed. Juggernaut got all it takes to do that while he himself wasn't hurt by Hulk's attack. You couldn't back up your claims about Hulk being able to ko Juggernaut and about Juggernaut not being able to ko Hulk.
2. Thanks to prof X. Who isnt present in a vs forum, so his so called "win" after getting stomped on in h2h means nothing here.
3. He used Xavier's ditraction, that's it. Doesn't prove he is unbfrable himself. You couldn't back up this claim either.
4. ABC logic. Has nothing to do with the fight. Hulk was hurt by Juggernaut's punches while you said that he wasn't "at all" without backing it up.😬

We've seen the 2 fight in a book and we've seen a) Juggernaut hurt Hulk and we've seen b) Hulk failing to hurt Jugernaut and we've seen c) Juggernaut dominate in a h2h fight. Its pretty simple and all I really need to know. He wins this fight because of mentioned reasons, unless Xavier pops out of nowhere to distract Juggernaut, in that case yeah, Hulk stands a chance. Not gonna happen in a vs forum though.

Juggs matched him in strength if he overpowered him he would have went right through him but he didn't.

WW Hulk has more focus than juggs and someone talking isn't uber help it's hulk not being distracted while juggs easily was.

Hulk doesn't need a distraction to win he simply used that to quickly dispatch Juggs but in a prolonged fight he coul ddo it on his own while getting stronger in the process.

War overcame juggs enchantment of momentum so why can't ww hulk hurt him?

How did the writer make juggs dominating him clear? When did he dominate him? Do you know who the Hulk is?

When does juggs bfr anyone. You say he is capable but is it in his character to do so. You can't just make stuff up and pretend it holds weight. The comic backs me up not you.

It's not canon so who cares.

So Skaar is crafty enough to beat juggs which he's a kid so he's smarter and more clever than juggs who is an adult with a lot more experience.

1.Hulk took more damage from wolverine and it didn't phase hulk at all. He healed from being blinded like it was a knee scrape. So far you are making a case that juggs is less than wolverine against ww hulk.

2.Hulk didn't have his aid he adapted to the situation and won. Juggs is an idiot who loses when other characters burp or fart as he can't stay focused.

3.What distraction did xavier provide for hulk? Did he want the hulk to win?

4.He wasn't hurt by Hulk standards. Hulk let someone blind him due to his awesome healing factor yet a little blood means he was in trouble. You have nothing.

Hulk won Juggs lost. The writer made it clear that what happened in the past means nothing and ww hulk was superior.

SamZED ftw.

Originally posted by batdude123
SamZED ftw.

Originally posted by SamZED
You ignored: Hulk getting hurt, ignored Juggernaut dominating in the h2h fight after everyone in this thread including me pointed this out, ignored Juggs physicaly overpowering Hulk, ignored the fact that Hulk failed to hurt the Juggernaut, ignored me proving that Juggernaut is physically capable of bfring Hulk and me proving that its not outside of his character to do that etc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor never stopped cain he pushed him back but juggs was still moving which is a big difference to war stopping him dead in his tracks.

Thor did stop Cain. How can you not know how that works? Again, if an object is moving in one direction and is then forced in the exact opposite/reverse direction, the object is first stopped. Thor's Godblast then pushed him in the other direction. Stopping Cain + pushing him back is >>> than just stopping him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk didn't get hurt. Wolverine slashes his eyes away and that was a minor inconvenience to him and wolverine knew it. Hulk let him to bring him in closer to stomp him. What did Juggs do again comparable to blinding him which did nothing. Oh yeah, he got some cuts and bruises and was close to cardiac arrest, right? Wow.

Juggs matched him in strength if he overpowered him he would have went right through him but he didn't.

WW Hulk has more focus than juggs and someone talking isn't uber help it's hulk not being distracted while juggs easily was.

Hulk doesn't need a distraction to win he simply used that to quickly dispatch Juggs but in a prolonged fight he coul ddo it on his own while getting stronger in the process.

War overcame juggs enchantment of momentum so why can't ww hulk hurt him?

How did the writer make juggs dominating him clear? When did he dominate him? Do you know who the Hulk is?

When does juggs bfr anyone. You say he is capable but is it in his character to do so. You can't just make stuff up and pretend it holds weight. The comic backs me up not you.

It's not canon so who cares.

So Skaar is crafty enough to beat juggs which he's a kid so he's smarter and more clever than juggs who is an adult with a lot more experience.

1.Hulk took more damage from wolverine and it didn't phase hulk at all. He healed from being blinded like it was a knee scrape. So far you are making a case that juggs is less than wolverine against ww hulk.

2.Hulk didn't have his aid he adapted to the situation and won. Juggs is an idiot who loses when other characters burp or fart as he can't stay focused.

3.What distraction did xavier provide for hulk? Did he want the hulk to win?

4.He wasn't hurt by Hulk standards. Hulk let someone blind him due to his awesome healing factor yet a little blood means he was in trouble. You have nothing.

Hulk won Juggs lost. The writer made it clear that what happened in the past means nothing and ww hulk was superior.

"Hulk didn't get hurt at all"
😬 Yeah Hulk didn't get hurt. Look at his face, everything's peachy.

And after that you got the courage to say that im not getting what the writer wrote. You made a claim, a wrong one, at least have the courage to admit it, instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Pushed him back, all that matters. Ignore it all you like. Also denying that Juggernaut dominated in h2h is childish.

Man, look at your own arguments - "Hulk is more focused" that's what your entire posts are made of and going by that kinda things you give Hulk a majority while I pay attention to things like matching strength and far FAR better durability and the ability to hurt Hulk. Talk about "making up options"..

Again, JUST. YOUR. SPECULATAION. He "would've" he "might've" that's what your posts are. He used the distraction because there was no other way for him to win. Because at first he went "ill kill you" and then suddenly "im late gotta go" that was him realising he can't do jack and that he's getting his ass kicked AS IS CLEARLY SHOWN IN THE COMICBOOK. Hence the change of attitude. Again, what you think MIGHT happen doesn't matter. We have a book that shows Juggs >> WW Hulk in h2h. All that matters.

Why can't WW Hulk hurt him? Becuase he tried and failed in the book and because you couldnt prove that he can. What's more to argue?

Do I know who the Hulk is? Yes, I do thank you. As for where dominated in h2h look at the scan above. You're delusional if you dont see it.

Just 2 pages ago I showed you a scan of Juggernaut BFRING someone which you conviniently ignored, which is your problem alone. Juggs can bfr Hulk physically and he's used the bfr before. So the comics back me up. Id yet to see you post one fact from a comicbook instead of your speculations.

What's not canon?

Unless Hulk is going to use the old power and Juggernaut will turn his back on Hulk after sparing his life this does not help our case at all. And it only proves that Skaar is sneaky bastartd whom Juggernaut spared because he's not that much of a bad guy. Not gonna be the case with Hulk.

1) Except getting cut and getting hit isnt the same thing. Strong enough punches can knock Hulk out while several cuts can only cause him some bloodloss that his healing factor can take care of. But it doesn't prevent him from getting knocked out with continued attacks from a being easilly as strong as he is. So again you can't prove Hulk is unKOable.
2) Wrong. He used Xavier's distraction after getting stomped on. Again, unless someone changes the rules into "Xavier is present in every fight" you've lost the argument, because both can bfr one another. You got nothing to counter that with.
3) He didn't want the building to collapse and he knew he stands more of a chance to reason with Juggernaut than with a pissed off Hulk, so unwillingly distracted Juggernaut which was the reason he got bfred. Until that point we had Juggernaut stomping Hulk in h2h, physically overpowering him and displaying a much better durability. All that matters for a vs thread.
4) You have your hopes that Hulk will overcome the spell of cytorak that is backed up by.. well.. nothing.. I have a book that shows that Juggs >> Hulk in h2h and that Juggs is more durable. Again, you've lost the moment you started. Im not arguing with you, everything i needed to prove I already proved, im just trying to get you to finally admit that you're wrong because you couldnt prove that Hulk can't be bfred, couldnt prove that he can't be koed, couldnt prove that he can punch through the spell and couldnt prove that he wasnt hurt "at all" and that's ALL the points you've made so far and lets face it, they're ridiculous and arent backed up with anything.

WW Hulk got STOMPED on. Got owned in h2h, physicaly overpowered. And got hs ass saved ONLY thaks to Xavier in that particular story because of PLOT. So you closing your ears and going "hulkwonhulkwon" doesnt help you at all in a vs forum where Xavier wont be a factor. So we're only left with Jugernaut stomping Hulk in h2h and overpowering his physically and having a much better durability. [/thread]

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk won Juggs lost. The writer made it clear that what happened in the past means nothing and ww hulk was superior.

In your own little world perhaps. The panels made it clear Juggs is stronger, perfectly able to hurt the Hulk, impervious to his attacks and a better fighter.

Originally posted by batdude123
SamZED ftw.

Originally posted by SamZED
"Hulk didn't get hurt at all"
😬 Yeah Hulk didn't get hurt. Look at his face, everything's peachy.

And after that you got the courage to say that im not getting what the writer wrote. You made a claim, a wrong one, at least have the courage to admit it, instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Pushed him back, all that matters. Ignore it all you like. Also denying that Juggernaut dominated in h2h is childish.

Man, look at your own arguments - "Hulk is more focused" that's what your entire posts are made of and going by that kinda things you give Hulk a majority while I pay attention to things like matching strength and far FAR better durability and the ability to hurt Hulk. Talk about "making up options"..

Again, JUST. YOUR. SPECULATAION. He "would've" he "might've" that's what your posts are. He used the distraction because there was no other way for him to win. Because at first he went "ill kill you" and then suddenly "im late gotta go" that was him realising he can't do jack and that he's getting his ass kicked AS IS CLEARLY SHOWN IN THE COMICBOOK. Hence the change of attitude. Again, what you think MIGHT happen doesn't matter. We have a book that shows Juggs >> WW Hulk in h2h. All that matters.

Why can't WW Hulk hurt him? Becuase he tried and failed in the book and because you couldnt prove that he can. What's more to argue?

Do I know who the Hulk is? Yes, I do thank you. As for where dominated in h2h look at the scan above. You're delusional if you dont see it.

Just 2 pages ago I showed you a scan of Juggernaut BFRING someone which you conviniently ignored, which is your problem alone. Juggs can bfr Hulk physically and he's used the bfr before. So the comics back me up. Id yet to see you post one fact from a comicbook instead of your speculations.

What's not canon?

Unless Hulk is going to use the old power and Juggernaut will turn his back on Hulk after sparing his life this does not help our case at all. And it only proves that Skaar is sneaky bastartd whom Juggernaut spared because he's not that much of a bad guy. Not gonna be the case with Hulk.

1) Except getting cut and getting hit isnt the same thing. Strong enough punches can knock Hulk out while several cuts can only cause him some bloodloss that his healing factor can take care of. But it doesn't prevent him from getting knocked out with continued attacks from a being easilly as strong as he is. So again you can't prove Hulk is unKOable.
2) Wrong. He used Xavier's distraction after getting stomped on. Again, unless someone changes the rules into "Xavier is present in every fight" you've lost the argument, because both can bfr one another. You got nothing to counter that with.
3) He didn't want the building to collapse and he knew he stands more of a chance to reason with Juggernaut than with a pissed off Hulk, so unwillingly distracted Juggernaut which was the reason he got bfred. Until that point we had Juggernaut stomping Hulk in h2h, physically overpowering him and displaying a much better durability. All that matters for a vs thread.
4) You have your hopes that Hulk will overcome the spell of cytorak that is backed up by.. well.. nothing.. I have a book that shows that Juggs >> Hulk in h2h and that Juggs is more durable. Again, you've lost the moment you started. Im not arguing with you, everything i needed to prove I already proved, im just trying to get you to finally admit that you're wrong because [b]you couldnt prove that Hulk can't be bfred, couldnt prove that he can't be koed, couldnt prove that he can punch through the spell and couldnt prove that he wasnt hurt "at all" and that's ALL the points you've made so far and lets face it, they're ridiculous and arent backed up with anything.

WW Hulk got STOMPED on. Got owned in h2h, physicaly overpowered. And got hs ass saved ONLY thaks to Xavier in that particular story because of PLOT. So you closing your ears and going "hulkwonhulkwon" doesnt help you at all in a vs forum where Xavier wont be a factor. So we're only left with Jugernaut stomping Hulk in h2h and overpowering his physically and having a much better durability. [/thread] [/B]

I understood the story and the relevance o f the events that took place in it you didn't. Big diff.

Juggs didn't dominate in hth as we see juggs helmet is dented and ww hulk's fine standing toe to toe with him. For someone to dominate the other guy has to look physically taken back but hulk was just fine and dandy.

Yes, Hulk used incredible focus while your argument is another character spoke in juggs' presence so the victory doesn't count. It wasn't even like he wanted the hulk to lose juggs is just an idiot.

He stated he was on a timetable and didn't have time to beat him down again as it wasn't going to be immediate.

Their brief fight isn't proof Hulk can't hurt him. Wow.

Juggs bfr'd who again? I must have missed it. Who did he? So your conclusion is juggs bfr's the WW Hulk despite the opposite happening on panel. Wow.

Sg isn't canon.

Skaar outsmarted him. WW Hulk doesn't need to. WW Hulk can meet him blow for blow. Both can out think the dummy.

1)The punches that hit hulk didn't show any lasting damage whatsoever. The Hulk let someone blind him because his healing factor was that good yet a punch which didn't slow him down at all really hurt him? If this is so why was Hulk holding the Juggernaut in place?

2)Xavier spoke and how is this a distraction? This isn't golf. People are allowed to talk. Saying he spoke and I lost because of this shows how stupid juggs is.

3)Xavier didn't distract the juggs he got distracted on his own. Only a fool would think the writer was showing xavier help the hulk win in his battle against juggs.

4)War, Onslaught, Universe. WW Hulk can with motivation and anger as he has no limits.

WW Hulk won. He beat him twice and went through two teams of mutants. WW Hulk stomped and beat everyone in his path.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Thor did stop Cain. How can you not know how that works? Again, if an object is moving in one direction and is then forced in the exact opposite/reverse direction, the object is first stopped. Thor's Godblast then pushed him in the other direction. Stopping Cain + pushing him back is >>> than just stopping him.

Originally posted by Mshinu
In your own little world perhaps. The panels made it clear Juggs is stronger, perfectly able to hurt the Hulk, impervious to his attacks and a better fighter.

WW Hulk won. A win is a win. If talking is distracting Juggs Hulk throws his voice and bfr's him at will.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he wasn't trying to kill him though. If he can wreck the planet he can kill Miek with one blow.

The same force who beat down hulk took the beating and fell kinda easily.

We saw zom able to mount an offensive while he couldn't take one.

Hulk could weather his offensive.

This was baseline WW Hulk and iyo I guess every time he screams his strength shoots up which is speculation. WW Hulk wasn't really upset at all and went strength for strength against juggs and calmly bfr'd him safely out of his path.

This pretty much sums up what your response will be

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
So your strategy is to ramble on until your opponent gives up. Right? Isn't that just trolling?

Juggs wins of course

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he never lost his momentum he was going to regain it. War stopped him so he had no momentum. Big diff.

Please read your own post. You said he was going to "regain it". To regain something you must lose it first. If something is forced in the exact opposite direction it is moving, it is first stopped by that force, then be pushed in that other direction. Juggernaut was slowed down to a stop, then pushed backwards.

I can't believe you can't even agree on actual physics here. Thor's godblast > War just stopping Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Nihilist
He was trying to do serious damage to him, why do you think he beat up his Warbound just to get a him? its easy to see he wanted to kill him that why the Warbound had to drag him off, as they didnt want anyone to die and Hulk was trying to kill Miek

I know you always ignore what happens on panel if it goes against your argument, but this is pathetic, Strange stopped using the Zom power as he couldnt control it as he was to dangerous.

*sigh* You need to learn to read, Zom allowed Hulk to mount a offense, Hulk didnt allow Zom, Strange simply was to quick for Hulks sneak attack to work. Only after having time to heal, otherwise he would of still been on his knees getting holes punched through him screaming like a b*tch.

Hulk was upset and pissed off as he had just finished fighting the rest of the Xmen, and if (as you say) Hulk wasnt angry then why would he charge Juggs screaming in anger and throwing haymakers?. And he only bfr'd him because he couldnt physically handle him and was starting to lose the fight.

This pretty much sums up what your response will be

Strange paused and he Hulk kicked his ass. That's what happened. Zom wasn't man enough for the Hulk.

A lot of characters are too quick for the Hulk initially, Wolverine for example. Sooner or later Hulk gets in close and beats down his opponents.

Hulk took on much more power from the Sentry so I fail to see your point. Hulk was hurt but no where near as pressed as he had been against the more powerful Sentry.

Hulk was annoyed but he wasn't angry by any means and the writer said Hulk purposely didn't kill anyone. Lucky Juggernaut.

You need to give up this Hulk hating. It doesn't do you any good.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Please read your own post. You said he was going to "regain it". To regain something you must lose it first. If something is forced in the exact opposite direction it is moving, it is first stopped by that force, then be pushed in that other direction. Juggernaut was slowed down to a stop, then pushed backwards.

I can't believe you can't even agree on actual physics here. Thor's godblast > War just stopping Juggernaut.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His momentum was redirected not stopped short. War stopped his momentum meaning he had none.

You can't redirect something in the opposite direction with it being stopped first. Think of a car, it is in drive, to go in reverse it first must be stopped, the wheels stop moving, then it is put into reverse and it starts moving again.

Juggernaut didn't curve around and get pushed back, he was actually pushed backwards.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You can't redirect something in the opposite direction with it being stopped first. Think of a car, it is in drive, to go in reverse it first must be stopped, the wheels stop moving, then it is put into reverse and it starts moving again.

Juggernaut didn't curve around and get pushed back, he was actually pushed backwards.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But he was still moving. He never stopped against Thor. Once juggs stops he's basically useless.

He was moving forward, then the godblast slowed him down, then he was stopped, then he was pushed in the other direction.

^ 👆

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The Godblast is one of the few things that have actually stopped the Juggernaut and pushed him backwards, from Thor #412:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir153a-Godblast412.jpg

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
He was moving forward, then the godblast slowed him down, then he was stopped, then he was pushed in the other direction.

^ If you're moving forward and you get blasted and are slowed down and eventually being pushed backwards... at some point your forward movement stopped and your backward movement began.

This isn't difficult. 😬