Originally posted by quanchi112Yet he still couldnt put him down or even ko him despite laying into him when he was prone on the ground.
[B]Yes, Hulk was angry but not to the point of committing actual murder. He beat on him but still didn't intend on killing him.
I guess you disagree but Hulk still took that damage while Zom could not weather Hulk's attacks.Because Strange stopped using Zoms power just before Hulk started hitting him, and again Hulk was only able to take the punishment because he had time to heal, its not that hard to understand.
Sentry was shown to be Hulk's equal while Zom wasn't. Sentry could take Hulk's attacks while zom couldn't.See my post above Strange taking Hulks hits, *sigh* again Zom did far more damage to Hulk by a mile.
That was the simplest solution to getting rid of him temporarily. If he devoted more time I believe Juggs wouldn't have gotten off so lucky.And what the hell are basing this "Hulk would of beat Juggs down in the end" off ? all the times Juggs has been just purely physically beat down...because it has never happened, because otherwise it just pure speculation which you said is not a good way to go when i went on "speculation"( which was backed up by Juggs having the upperhand in the fight to begin with)The fact he was already at Juggs strength and he gets angrier and more powerful. I see him being able to physically maul him given the time. I know you will disagree but that's how I see things.
Related. Sorta. Whatever. It made me lol.
Originally posted by quanchi112
War has stated to kill him and he just rejected himself as war so he simply left. WW Hulk simply didn't have the time which was stated on panel.
A lot of characters claim they can do things and can't actually do them. This is another example. Hulk couldn't kill him. Maybe you'd have more of an argument if Hulk actually cut or even scratched him. But Juggernaut left that fight unharmed.
Stopping Juggernaut does not mean you can harm him. Thor and War proved that. If the Godblast couldn't do it, War definitely can't.
Originally posted by NihilistSo you think he wanted to kill him despite not one single casualty and all the chaos and destruction WW Hulk was causing the entire time.
Yet he still couldnt put him down or even ko him despite laying into him when he was prone on the ground.Because Strange stopped using Zoms power just before Hulk started hitting him, and again Hulk was only able to take the punishment because he had time to heal, its not that hard to understand.
See my post above Strange taking Hulks hits, *sigh* again Zom did far more damage to Hulk by a mile.
And what the hell are basing this "Hulk would of beat Juggs down in the end" off ? all the times Juggs has been just purely physically beat down...because it has never happened, because otherwise it just pure speculation which you said is not a good way to go when i went on "speculation"( which was backed up by Juggs having the upperhand in the fight to begin with)
You would think so but Hulk's healing ability is what makes him so dangerous and the fact he can take a lot of punishment which only makes him stronger whereas Zom isn't built the same way. Hulk got mad enough to break him.
Hulk beat Zom so damaging the Hulk is kinda useless unless you put him down due to his healing factor.
Because other times Juggs has looked more impressive but not this time. Hulk easily was going toe to toe with him at baseline strength so I feel since he did far better than Hulks of the past save war it's safe to assume ww hulk beats him as well.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinDue to Hulk's time table and nothing more.
A lot of characters claim they can do things and can't actually do them. This is another example. Hulk couldn't kill him. Maybe you'd have more of an argument if Hulk actually cut or even scratched him. But Juggernaut left that fight unharmed.Stopping Juggernaut does not mean you can harm him. Thor and War proved that. If the Godblast couldn't do it, War definitely can't.
Two different writers so quit making false comparisons. The writer more than made it clear war was a lot badder than juggs. Juggs looked fearful of war when he stopped him. Juggs was scared of him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to Hulk's time table and nothing more.Two different writers so quit making false comparisons. The writer more than made it clear war was a lot badder than juggs. Juggs looked fearful of war when he stopped him. Juggs was scared of him.
He had a WTF look on his face. It is also not a false comparison. Thor stopped Juggs, even pushed him back, and yet he didn't put a scratch on him. War only stopped him and pushed him over and "claimed" to be able to kill him, when he couldn't.
The comics back me up. Unless you really want to believe a simple word bubble over there being no actual injuries or lack of proof that Hulk could even break his skin.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinJuggs wasn't worried about Thor but he was scared of war. war stopped him dead in his tracks.
He had a WTF look on his face. It is also not a false comparison. Thor stopped Juggs, even pushed him back, and yet he didn't put a scratch on him. War only stopped him and pushed him over and "claimed" to be able to kill him, when he couldn't.The comics back me up. Unless you really want to believe a simple word bubble over there being no actual injuries or lack of proof that Hulk could even break his skin.
So the writer created a scene in which juggs was completely fine, right? Do you think he'd agree with your assessment?
He pretty much had the same train of thought when Thor pushed him back. It was a WTF moment. Cain didn't show any fear when War was looming over him. Thor pushing Cain backwards trumps War's feat anyways. War was only able to stop him.
I also have 2 different scans from two different writers for Hulk saying Juggernaut has unlimited power to draw on. But you wouldn't care about that seeing as it doesn't make Hulk look any better.
Given a few moments, and if war did throw Juggs away with that coil, I would say Juggernaut would start pushing War again.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinNo, he didn't look anywhere near the same when Thor pushed him back.
He pretty much had the same train of thought when Thor pushed him back. It was a WTF moment. Cain didn't show any fear when War was looming over him. Thor pushing Cain backwards trumps War's feat anyways. War was only able to stop him.I also have 2 different scans from two different writers for Hulk saying Juggernaut has unlimited power to draw on. But you wouldn't care about that seeing as it doesn't make Hulk look any better.
Given a few moments, and if war did throw Juggs away with that coil, I would say Juggernaut would start pushing War again.
Cain was going to keep going and wasn't stopped completely while war stopped him dead in his tracks which is more impressive than pushing him back while he was still moving.
We have seen Hulk draw upon enough power to negate this and Universe just stomped him and we also have Onslaught.
Not a chance the writer clearly demonstrated war was more than juggs could even hope to deal with.
Do you not know the basic laws of physics? If an object/person is going in one direction and then is pushed in the exact opposite direction, they first have to be stopped, then they move in the opposite direction.
Thor not only stopped Cain, he pushed him in the opposite direction. That trumps War only being able to stop him.
War didn't stomp Cain either. The most impressive feat War has was stopping Juggernaut. Outside of that, Cain got more hits in and knocked Hulk around a little more. The fight ended with Cain simply knocked over and he was about to get up when Hulk pried the helmet off. There was no indication, other than a word bubble, that War could even cut Cain.
Besides that, if we went on what characters said instead of actually doing, Rhino wouldn't have a disrespect thread, Abomination would have killed Hulk over and over and villains would be running the world in comic books.
As said before, 2 different writers for the Hulk comics have said Juggernaut can draw on more/limitless energy. Given a little time he could have started pushing War back. War just did not give him time to do anything.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You posted what happened before the Hulk beat him. You misrepresented it time and time again.I never said he can't be ko'd. You don't even seem at this point what it is I am saying so further debate will continue to be a struggle. WW Hulk beats him before he is ko'd as he went up against vastly superior force and took more damage than Juggs is capable of while Hulk is resisting and fighting back. WW Hulk is already equal to him at strength levels at his base but with anger he surpasses it. WW Hulk also is too smart to keep relying on tactics that aren't working. He can bfr Juggs which he has done on panel.
Hulk haters agree and unite but the comic agrees with me so I still win.
A bfr is a win on this board so he did win. Reread the rules if you think bfr isn't a win on kmc. Juggs didn't kick his ass and if you think he did I suggest rereading all of ww hulk with the tie ins because he took a lot more damage then he did against Juggernaut and prevailed.
Fanboyism is when someone makes things up like you are doing. You said juggs bfrs him when the opposite happened on panel. That's fanboyism and you can't even give me one example of juggs bfring anyone. That's fanboyism.
Hulk wasn't hurt. You don't stand Juggs up and calmly bfr him if you are reeling in pain. he took some damage but since we know about ww hulk and his abilities they were minor at best and something easily taken care of by his healing factor.
I never said that Juggs can't bfr anyone I said you have to prove he would resort to this when he hasn't. You can't just make up scenarios without any evidence and expect it to pass go here. Put up or shut up.
Sp standing someone up an dsaying I don't have time for this, bye bye and sending juggs on his way is owned? You are a fanboy here of juggs as ww hulk matched him in strength and won. You have to win the struggle pretty much to own someone.
He was holding back the entire time hence no casualties. If Hulk went all out and wanted to kill Juggs I'd feel sorry for Juggs. good thing he didn't.
Juggs failed to defeat someone far weaker than WW Hulk because he was outsmarted by a newborn. It hurts your case and helps my case that Juggs is an idiot.
1.You have to prove Juggs bfr's opponents. I said he won't because that's not what Juggs does when he fights. This isn't powerset arguing put up or shut up.
2.He can be hurt but he can also get madder and we saw him at equal strength with Juggs at base level here. Juggs isn't versatile either or smart so I don't see anything being in his favor here.
3.He crushed his helmet and beat him. Why would Hulk fight like a girl and scratch him?
4.War hulk stopped his forward momentum and this Hulk proved he can use his momentum against him. He's too smart for Juggs.
1.The scans speak for themselves. reread the entire arc and get back to me.
2.You have to prove Juggs bfr's his opponents. You made the claim now back it up.
3.WW Hulk beats him before that occurs just like on panel.
4.I don't have to. War already proved he can stop juggs so any enchantment can be overcome which is common sense with enough power.
Yes, we have Hulk getting attacked and later prevailing which happened all throughout WW Hulk.
Thanks to Xavier which will never be the case again. I already proved Juggs bfring Hulk is as likely as Hulk bfring Juggs, you got nothing to counter that argument with. And I perfectly understood your scenario, but again, it's your speculation and isn't even close to a good enough reason to give him any wins, let alone majority. Hulk can't hurt Juggs. Fact proven by the book. Juggs can hurt Hulk. Fact proven by the book. They fight long enough Juggs will ko Hulk. Simple as that. Anything beyond that (your theory about Hulk becoming too strong for Juggernaut and overpowering the power of cytorok) - your speculation. Heck, id even have no problem if you said something like "I believe that might happen" but you coming to this thread after seeing Juggernaut clearly overpowering WW Hulk in h2h and saying "Hulk wins all day" is a new definition of bias.
Yeah, the comics agree with me that Juggs >>> Hulk so I win. Was never a Hulk hater. Just a reasonable comicbook fan with no bias.
bfr is a win on this forum. Its in the rules. I know it. Xavier appearing in a vs forum and helping Hulk to bfr Juggs isn't a forum rule and that's the only reason why it happened in the book. Not gonna happen on a vs forum though. Looks like its you who needs to read the rules. So outside of that bfr which happened thanks to Xavier (and will not be the case in a vs forum) we got Juggernaut clearly dominating Hulk in h2h. Hulk taking a lot of damage and healing in time is not an argument. Doesn't prove that a continued beating from Juggernaut wont put him down, especially since just 3 hits did a lot of damage and a fact that Hulk can be koed with brute force.
Fanboyism is givving a clearly inferior character a win even if he was clearly losing in a h2h fight in a book. And I gave you an example of Juggernaut bfring which you conviniently ignored. Big surprise. So again, unless you're hoping that Xavier will jump out of Hulk's ass to distract Juggernaut on a vs forum the bfr is an option for both of them, with Juggernaut having a matching strength and a much MUCH better durability. Which should give him the majority. Simple as that, that's not fanboyism, that's common sense, and I was never even a fan of Juggernaut, while you're clearly biased here.
Which would be the case for a while, but his hf isn't a magic spell that prevents him from getting koed by an opponent whose strength is easilly a match for Hulk's own. He was hurt, eventually would've been koed, since its pretty much a onesided beating. By the way, Are you ready to admit you were wrong when you said that "Juggernaut didn't hurt Hulk at all"?
Already put and proved which you once again ignored, capable physically and has done that before, so unless you got something to prove that Hulk is unbfrable you better shut up.
You're the biggest WW Hulk fanboy ive seen, I could care less about Juggernaut and Hulk, I simply hate fanboys, you seriously should concider taking C-master's fanboys test, you'd fail it miserably. Saying "Iyou will DIE" then getting literally stomped on and avoiding the fight by using a distraction with a sudden change of attidue and going "oh you know im actually busy bye bye" is called making excuses after realising you cant beat someone.
Yeah, more bs from you."If he was going all out he would've won yada yada" he fought, did his best and got stomped on. His best attacks failed to put even a scratch. Nobody cares about your speculation. The book says it all. Juggs in that book was >>> WW Hulk. Quoting Squirrel Girl gotta say "deal with it, fanboy".
Yeah cause AGE is a determining factor in comic books. 🙄 What other excuse you're gonna come up with to cover Hulk's ass? He cought a cold maybe? That's why he got stomped on? Juggernaut sparing Skaar and getting bfred with a cheapshot using the old power that Hulk doesnt have doesnt help your case even slightly.
1) Already proved. You ignoring it is your problem, I won anyway.
2)Other than him being completely invulnerable to Hulk's attack which is determening factor here, yeah he got nothing in his favor. 🙄 Let's see I got fact about Juggernaut having an advantage in durability, you got your stupid speculations. Who won.. Hmm.. tough call. 🙄
3)Denting his helmet means jack, Clossus did that. Yay for Hulk, and "scratching" was a figure of speech, as in Hulk's best attack coused Juggurnaut about as much damage as I would've by spittin in his face, as in annoyed him at best while Juggernaut's attacks did a lot of damage to Hulk. But by your crazy logic that apperantly means that badass, super awesome unbeatable and unbfrable Hulk wins all day.
4) Funny how whenever I use any other version of the Hulk you go "nooo not fair!" yet your only poor attempt at proving that WW Hulk can ko Juggernaut was an example of other people with telepathy, cosmic powers and an amped Hulk etc etc doing that. Very convinient. WW Hulk tried to and failed. Fact. Deal with it.
1) Yeah, they do speak for themselvs, and they speak exactly this - "Juggernaut >>> WW Hulk"
So.. are You gonna try to explain why Hulk is unbfrable or just admit that you're wrong? Either way fine by me. Your reputation on this forum is at stake, not mine. But at least make an effort.
2) Again, already did. Your bias doesn't prevent you from watching scans, does it?
Once again, prove WW Hulk is unkoable by Juggernaut's punches who has strength that rivals Hulk's own.
3) Thanks to prof X who I believe does not present in a forum fight. Helps your case a lot.
Again, prove WW Hulk can overcome the power of Cytorak with his punches. And good luck, he failed misrably in the book.
4)Um.. no it isn't commn sense, it's Quanchi sense apperantly, WW Hulk never displayed neccesary power to overcome the magic spell of cytorak level, only in your head, which isn't good enough for the forum.
Oh and dont ignore the last point. Prove that Hulk wasn't hurt by Juggernaut's punches "at all". Your exact words. Come on. Just eleven words. Just say "I was wrong, i am a man enough to admit it".
All we have - me going by the actual fight with Juggernaut clearly being superior in h2h, common sense, basic knowledge of the characters and their durabiity, and a ton of proofs and scans posted by me. And we have you going by your bias, and a few speculations that aren't backed up with anything.
Originally posted by quanchi112I guess you missed the part then were the Warbound had to pull Hulk off Miek, shortly before that Hulk fought his way through the Warbound just to get to him, so yeah he wasnt holding back.
[B]So you think he wanted to kill him despite not one single casualty and all the chaos and destruction WW Hulk was causing the entire time.
You would think so but Hulk's healing ability is what makes him so dangerous and the fact he can take a lot of punishment which only makes him stronger whereas Zom isn't built the same way. Hulk got mad enough to break him.Zom didnt take the punishment, it was just a depowered(via broken hands)Dr Strange that took the beating
Hulk beat Zom so damaging the Hulk is kinda useless unless you put him down due to his healing factor.Which Zomstrange would have done if he didnt stop destroying him and didnt give him time to heal, because as we saw on panel how Hulk had no way of getting back into the fight(as it was shown Zomstrange countered Hulks attempted sucker punch at the very start of the fight)
Because other times Juggs has looked more impressive but not this time. Hulk easily was going toe to toe with him at baseline strength so I feel since he did far better than Hulks of the past save war it's safe to assume ww hulk beats him as well.Blow for blow Juggs was winning, and bullshit on the baseline strength, Hulk was pissed off, he even charged the Juggernaut screaming in anger throwing haymakers.
The rest of your post is just pure hope/speculation as you have nothing to back up that Juggs can be physically beat down at all.
Originally posted by Nihilist[/QUOTE]
Zom didnt take the punishment, it was just a depowered(via broken hands)Dr Strange that took the beating
The writer also released a statement that this wasn't Zom's full essence.
But yeah, Stranges hands being broken was a reason why he couldn't just work his magic on Hulk. (Which goes against prior showings where he works magic just fine with broken limbs, and basically a shattered body..)
Originally posted by cdtmYeah i know the part about Zoms power, as it was also stated in Hercules#111(i think) that it was just a tiny fraction of Zoms soul.The writer also released a statement that this wasn't Zom's full essence.
But yeah, Stranges hands being broken was a reason why he couldn't just work his magic on Hulk. (Which goes against prior showings where he works magic just fine with broken limbs, and basically a shattered body..) [/B]
Originally posted by SamZEDWhat have I ignored? Wolverine admitted after taking out his eyes they could do this all day and when you see a little Hulk blood spill you get all exicted like that's proof of anything. If anything you proved Juggs affected Hulk less than Wolverine did in the prior issue.
Um.. no I posted facts that you choose to ignore because you're biased in this thread.Thanks to Xavier which will never be the case again. I already proved Juggs bfring Hulk is as likely as Hulk bfring Juggs, you got nothing to counter that argument with. And I perfectly understood your scenario, but again, it's your speculation and isn't even close to a good enough reason to give him any wins, let alone majority. Hulk can't hurt Juggs. Fact proven by the book. Juggs can hurt Hulk. Fact proven by the book. They fight long enough Juggs will ko Hulk. Simple as that. Anything beyond that (your theory about Hulk becoming too strong for Juggernaut and overpowering the power of cytorok) - your speculation. Heck, id even have no problem if you said something like "I believe that might happen" but you coming to this thread after seeing Juggernaut clearly overpowering WW Hulk in h2h and saying "Hulk wins all day" is a new definition of bias.
Yeah, the comics agree with me that Juggs >>> Hulk so I win. Was never a Hulk hater. Just a reasonable comicbook fan with no bias.
bfr is a win on this forum. Its in the rules. I know it. Xavier appearing in a vs forum and helping Hulk to bfr Juggs isn't a forum rule and that's the only reason why it happened in the book. Not gonna happen on a vs forum though. Looks like its you who needs to read the rules. So outside of that bfr which happened thanks to Xavier (and will not be the case in a vs forum) we got Juggernaut clearly dominating Hulk in h2h. Hulk taking a lot of damage and healing in time is not an argument. Doesn't prove that a continued beating from Juggernaut wont put him down, especially since just 3 hits did a lot of damage and a fact that Hulk can be koed with brute force.
Fanboyism is givving a clearly inferior character a win even if he was clearly losing in a h2h fight in a book. And I gave you an example of Juggernaut bfring which you conviniently ignored. Big surprise. So again, unless you're hoping that Xavier will jump out of Hulk's ass to distract Juggernaut on a vs forum the bfr is an option for both of them, with Juggernaut having a matching strength and a much MUCH better durability. Which should give him the majority. Simple as that, that's not fanboyism, that's common sense, and I was never even a fan of Juggernaut, while you're clearly biased here.
Which would be the case for a while, but his hf isn't a magic spell that prevents him from getting koed by an opponent whose strength is easilly a match for Hulk's own. He was hurt, eventually would've been koed, since its pretty much a onesided beating. By the way, Are you ready to admit you were wrong when you said that "Juggernaut didn't hurt Hulk at all"?
Already put and proved which you once again ignored, capable physically and has done that before, so unless you got something to prove that Hulk is unbfrable you better shut up.
You're the biggest WW Hulk fanboy ive seen, I could care less about Juggernaut and Hulk, I simply hate fanboys, you seriously should concider taking C-master's fanboys test, you'd fail it miserably. Saying "Iyou will DIE" then getting literally stomped on and avoiding the fight by using a distraction with a sudden change of attidue and going "oh you know im actually busy bye bye" is called making excuses after realising you cant beat someone.
Yeah, more bs from you."If he was going all out he would've won yada yada" he fought, did his best and got stomped on. His best attacks failed to put even a scratch. Nobody cares about your speculation. The book says it all. Juggs in that book was >>> WW Hulk. Quoting Squirrel Girl gotta say "deal with it, fanboy".
Yeah cause AGE is a determining factor in comic books. 🙄 What other excuse you're gonna come up with to cover Hulk's ass? He cought a cold maybe? That's why he got stomped on? Juggernaut sparing Skaar and getting bfred with a cheapshot using the old power that Hulk doesnt have doesnt help your case even slightly.
1) Already proved. You ignoring it is your problem, I won anyway.
2)Other than him being completely invulnerable to Hulk's attack which is determening factor here, yeah he got nothing in his favor. 🙄 Let's see I got fact about Juggernaut having an advantage in durability, you got your stupid speculations. Who won.. Hmm.. tough call. 🙄
3)Denting his helmet means jack, Clossus did that. Yay for Hulk, and "scratching" was a figure of speech, as in Hulk's best attack coused Juggurnaut about as much damage as I would've by spittin in his face, as in annoyed him at best while Juggernaut's attacks did a lot of damage to Hulk. But by your crazy logic that apperantly means that badass, super awesome unbeatable and unbfrable Hulk wins all day.
4) Funny how whenever I use any other version of the Hulk you go "nooo not fair!" yet your only poor attempt at proving that WW Hulk can ko Juggernaut was an example of other people with telepathy, cosmic powers and an amped Hulk etc etc doing that. Very convinient. WW Hulk tried to and failed. Fact. Deal with it.1) Yeah, they do speak for themselvs, and they speak exactly this - "Juggernaut >>> WW Hulk"
So.. are You gonna try to explain why Hulk is unbfrable or just admit that you're wrong? Either way fine by me. Your reputation on this forum is at stake, not mine. But at least make an effort.
2) Again, already did. Your bias doesn't prevent you from watching scans, does it?
Once again, prove WW Hulk is unkoable by Juggernaut's punches who has strength that rivals Hulk's own.
3) Thanks to prof X who I believe does not present in a forum fight. Helps your case a lot.
Again, prove WW Hulk can overcome the power of Cytorak with his punches. And good luck, he failed misrably in the book.
4)Um.. no it isn't commn sense, it's Quanchi sense apperantly, WW Hulk never displayed neccesary power to overcome the magic spell of cytorak level, only in your head, which isn't good enough for the forum.
Oh and dont ignore the last point. Prove that Hulk wasn't hurt by Juggernaut's punches "at all". Your exact words. Come on. Just eleven words. Just say "I was wrong, i am a man enough to admit it".All we have - me going by the actual fight with Juggernaut clearly being superior in h2h, common sense, basic knowledge of the characters and their durabiity, and a ton of proofs and scans posted by me. And we have you going by your bias, and a few speculations that aren't backed up with anything.
False. WW Hulk is smarter and more focused while Juggs isn't. he's easily tricked and has been bfr'd before and since this issue. Hulk actually resisted a bfr attempt from Gladiator who is much faster than Juggernaut.
Hulk's healing factor makes up for this. Hulk at base is as strong as Juggs but in a prolonged fight he gets angrier and stronger so he can hurt Juggs unless your claim is no amount of physical force can hurt the guy.
The comic showed Hulk beat Juggs and did so easily and you say the writer demonstrated juggs' superiority. Wow and you think you aren't biased.
WW Hulk doesn't need xavier to do so again. He can pump up the juggs and leave him hanging just like in the comic.
At the rate Juggs was going they could have fought for weeks and we've seen Hulk fight Thor who's hammer is a lot more powerful than Juggs fist go back and forth and actually make the Hulk stronger and appear physically fine while he is getting stronger. WW Hulk wins in a slugfest or via bfr if he tired of this battle.
What example did I ignore?
WW Hulk won and showed no damage whatsoever or pain after his conflict with Juggs. You seem to have a serious comprehension problem.
Sg isn't canon.
Experience is a determining factor. Only a fool would suggest Superman isn't more formidable with age or Thor or anyone. Why do you think the did they would do batman year one. It's because he has grown far more efficient with experience. Thor needed a lot and his time on earth has helped him tremendously. Skaar year one and as a child beat Juggs which proves Juggs' intelligence is terrible. Point for quan.
1.Scans proved Hulk was unaffected and won.
2.Bfr is a win and Hulk bfr'd Juggs. Case closed.
3.Hulk used his environment while juggs I guess can lose focus with someone else' words which doesn't ram home a feeling of great focus which the Hulk had.
4.WW Hulk was only at his base power levels and we saw how powerful he can get wb levels. There's no limit to how strong he can get and prolonging a fight with juggs equal at the start is going to end up badly for Juggs. Onslaught wrecked him.
WW Hulk won, getover it.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinJuggs was still moving while against war he stopped his momentum altogether. If he is standing still he can't regain his momentum is war is strong enough to stop it in the first place.
Do you not know the basic laws of physics? If an object/person is going in one direction and then is pushed in the exact opposite direction, they first have to be stopped, then they move in the opposite direction.Thor not only stopped Cain, he pushed him in the opposite direction. That trumps War only being able to stop him.
War didn't stomp Cain either. The most impressive feat War has was stopping Juggernaut. Outside of that, Cain got more hits in and knocked Hulk around a little more. The fight ended with Cain simply knocked over and he was about to get up when Hulk pried the helmet off. There was no indication, other than a word bubble, that War could even cut Cain.
Besides that, if we went on what characters said instead of actually doing, Rhino wouldn't have a disrespect thread, Abomination would have killed Hulk over and over and villains would be running the world in comic books.
As said before, 2 different writers for the Hulk comics have said Juggernaut can draw on more/limitless energy. Given a little time he could have started pushing War back. War just did not give him time to do anything.
Thor never stopped cain he pushed him back but juggs was still moving which is a big difference to war stopping him dead in his tracks.
We have seen war do better against juggs and smack him around like nothing and overcome his forward momentum enchantment. we have also seen onslaught hulk destroy onslaught's shell while juggs was crushed by him so on panel hulk looks superior to juggs.
Originally posted by NihilistYes, he wasn't trying to kill him though. If he can wreck the planet he can kill Miek with one blow.
I guess you missed the part then were the Warbound had to pull Hulk off Miek, shortly before that Hulk fought his way through the Warbound just to get to him, so yeah he wasnt holding back.Zom didnt take the punishment, it was just a depowered(via broken hands)Dr Strange that took the beating
Which Zomstrange would have done if he didnt stop destroying him and didnt give him time to heal, because as we saw on panel how Hulk had no way of getting back into the fight(as it was shown Zomstrange countered Hulks attempted sucker punch at the very start of the fight)
Blow for blow Juggs was winning, and bullshit on the baseline strength, Hulk was pissed off, he even charged the Juggernaut screaming in anger throwing haymakers.
The rest of your post is just pure hope/speculation as you have nothing to back up that Juggs can be physically beat down at all.
The same force who beat down hulk took the beating and fell kinda easily.
We saw zom able to mount an offensive while he couldn't take one. Hulk could weather his offensive.
This was baseline WW Hulk and iyo I guess every time he screams his strength shoots up which is speculation. WW Hulk wasn't really upset at all and went strength for strength against juggs and calmly bfr'd him safely out of his path.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What have I ignored? Wolverine admitted after taking out his eyes they could do this all day and when you see a little Hulk blood spill you get all exicted like that's proof of anything. If anything you proved Juggs affected Hulk less than Wolverine did in the prior issue.False. WW Hulk is smarter and more focused while Juggs isn't. he's easily tricked and has been bfr'd before and since this issue. Hulk actually resisted a bfr attempt from Gladiator who is much faster than Juggernaut.
Hulk's healing factor makes up for this. Hulk at base is as strong as Juggs but in a prolonged fight he gets angrier and stronger so he can hurt Juggs unless your claim is no amount of physical force can hurt the guy.
The comic showed Hulk beat Juggs and did so easily and you say the writer demonstrated juggs' superiority. Wow and you think you aren't biased.
WW Hulk doesn't need xavier to do so again. He can pump up the juggs and leave him hanging just like in the comic.
At the rate Juggs was going they could have fought for weeks and we've seen Hulk fight Thor who's hammer is a lot more powerful than Juggs fist go back and forth and actually make the Hulk stronger and appear physically fine while he is getting stronger. WW Hulk wins in a slugfest or via bfr if he tired of this battle.
What example did I ignore?
WW Hulk won and showed no damage whatsoever or pain after his conflict with Juggs. You seem to have a serious comprehension problem.
Sg isn't canon.
Experience is a determining factor. Only a fool would suggest Superman isn't more formidable with age or Thor or anyone. Why do you think the did they would do batman year one. It's because he has grown far more efficient with experience. Thor needed a lot and his time on earth has helped him tremendously. Skaar year one and as a child beat Juggs which proves Juggs' intelligence is terrible. Point for quan.
1.Scans proved Hulk was unaffected and won.
2.Bfr is a win and Hulk bfr'd Juggs. Case closed.
3.Hulk used his environment while juggs I guess can lose focus with someone else' words which doesn't ram home a feeling of great focus which the Hulk had.
4.WW Hulk was only at his base power levels and we saw how powerful he can get wb levels. There's no limit to how strong he can get and prolonging a fight with juggs equal at the start is going to end up badly for Juggs. Onslaught wrecked him.
WW Hulk won, getover it.
False what? That it happened thanks to Xavier's distraction and WILL NOT HAPPEN in a VS FORUM because (read the rules) he is not present here? Juggernaut dominates the fight, beats up Hulk, overpowers him and Hulk bfrs him thanks to Xavier's distration. And going by that you give Hulk a win in a VS FORUM because you think Xavier will be there again to cause a distraction. Which he wont, so your whole argument is moot.
Again, your speculation, notice im not the only one to tell you that "Hulk becoming too strong and punching through Cytorak's spell" is just a speculation that isn't backed up with anything. Gonna have to post proofs that Hulk can do that, because again, his best attack didn't do squat to Juggernaut in the book. It's your opinion vs facts from books. And Hulk's healing factor doesn't prevent him from getting hurt or koed if enough force is used.
Im not unless you're suggesting that everyone's biased except you. The writer made it clear that Juggernaut dominated in the h2h fight and overpowered Hulk physically. It's not my opinion, its a fact from the book. Im not the only one who sees that.
Another speculation on your part, in the comicbook it happened thanks to Xavier. Not the case here. Plot thing aside Hulk is no more capable of bfring Juggs, than Juggs of bfring Hulk, both are physically capable of that.
That's not what was shown in the comics. Juggernaut was clearly winning in the slugfest and is also capable of bfring Hulk. If you didn't notice that you should read the book again. Or just look at the scans I posted above. And I dont recall WW Hulk fighting Thor. It was other version of the Hulk, the same that was put down by Juggs punches anyway and even by lesser force.
I don't, you clearly do it you can look at those scans and say that Hulk was winning in a h2h, while he was clearly losing. Just because he wasn't crying doesn't mean he wasn't hurt, he clearly was and nothing suggests that a continued beating wouldn't have put him down if just 3 punches did so much damage.
Id say SG is a new definition of PIS. Still the WW Hulk book made it pretty clear that Juggernaut was winning in h2h.
Skaar cheapshotted Jugernaut using THE OLD POWER which Hulk DOESN'T HAVE after Juggernaut REFUSED to kill him because he was just a kid, even though Juggernaut COULD'VE. Juggs refusing to finish Skaar off when he had the chance has nothing to do with smarts. Are you suggesting that Juggernaut will feel sorry for Hulk the way he did for Skaar, turn his back and let Hulk bfr him using the power he doesn't even have? Unless that's what you're suggesting I dont see where you're going with that. Point for sam.
1. Scans proved Hulk was hurt by just 3 hits and that Juggernaut easilly dominated in h2h. An important thing for a vs forum. You can't just ignore it. Hulk can be hurt, he can be koed. Juggernaut got all it takes to do that while he himself wasn't hurt by Hulk's attack. You couldn't back up your claims about Hulk being able to ko Juggernaut and about Juggernaut not being able to ko Hulk.
2. Thanks to prof X. Who isnt present in a vs forum, so his so called "win" after getting stomped on in h2h means nothing here.
3. He used Xavier's ditraction, that's it. Doesn't prove he is unbfrable himself. You couldn't back up this claim either.
4. ABC logic. Has nothing to do with the fight. Hulk was hurt by Juggernaut's punches while you said that he wasn't "at all" without backing it up.😬
We've seen the 2 fight in a book and we've seen a) Juggernaut hurt Hulk and we've seen b) Hulk failing to hurt Jugernaut and we've seen c) Juggernaut dominate in a h2h fight. Its pretty simple and all I really need to know. He wins this fight because of mentioned reasons, unless Xavier pops out of nowhere to distract Juggernaut, in that case yeah, Hulk stands a chance. Not gonna happen in a vs forum though.