Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he clearly bfr'd him because he wanted to get to Prof. X in a hurry. He states it as a matter of fact.Bfr is a legit win on this board. Skaar recently bested him as well. You can't ignore all the times characters beat the juggernaut can you?
Hulk also said he would kill Cain, but he failed at that.
I wouldn't say Skaar "bested" Juggernaut. Especially when he had to resort to tricking him and hitting him in the back because he and Banner knew Skaar could not win in an actual fight.
Originally posted by SamZED
He's a pretty skilled fighter, and that's what matters the most imo with that kind of abilities. Hulk is not THAT smarter for it to make a difference.
Hes a skilled fighter but hes not that street smart to BFR someone.
Fighting skills have nothing to do with street smarts. A black belt could get his ass kicked by a street smart fighter.
Originally posted by SamZEDHulk is very effective when fighting to the point of being very tactical while Juggs isn't.
Being "pretty smart" and displaying Reed Richards intellect is not the same. Not that he needs to be smart for this fight. He's not dumb, having an average intellect is more than enough here. Its not like Hulk failed to beat people up back in the day when he was dumb.I didn't ignore anything, Hulk PHYSICALLY only beat a weakened Cain, Juggernaut in one of their previous encounters beaten Hulk with his bare hands and without armor. And why do you not see Juggernaut BFRing Hulk? It's well within his abilities just as it is withing Hulk's.
No you wouldn't. Then what makes you so sure that Hulk who has NO advantages over Juggs is gonna bfr him instead of getting beaten or bfred himself?
Hulk easily dealt with him twice while Juggs was easily distracted which also proves how stupid he is in combat.
You stated Juggs might bfr Hulk which is ignorant and ignoring the outcome of their fight. Hulk didn't have the time to beat up Juggs so he bfr'd him which I can see him doing whenever he wants because he isn't beating WW hulk here.
Other than the fact he told Juggs he was dismissing him and did so? I don't have to prove anything you do as the comic already showed Hulk win.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk is very effective when fighting to the point of being very tactical while Juggs isn't.Hulk easily dealt with him twice while Juggs was easily distracted which also proves how stupid he is in combat.
You stated Juggs might bfr Hulk which is ignorant and ignoring the outcome of their fight. Hulk didn't have the time to beat up Juggs so he bfr'd him which I can see him doing whenever he wants because he isn't beating WW hulk here.Other than the fact he told Juggs he was dismissing him and did so? I don't have to prove anything you do as the comic already showed Hulk win.
Again, Hulk only beat a weakened Juggernaut who wasn't even 1/10 of what he normally is. And thanks to PIS bfred him the second time after failing to even scratch him and after getting a beating from Juggs. Also Juggernaut knocked Hulk out in their previous battle. You saying that Hulk can bfr Juggs whenever he wants works both ways, there's a bigger chance that Juggs will bfr him or simply knock him out after a long fight.
By that logic Firelord supporters should try and prove that he can take Spider-man because comics showed Parker win.
Juggernaut has every advantage here and no disadvantage, all Hulk has is poorly written book with everyone jobbing to him, and even there he failed to put a scratch Juggernaut. So it is you who should try and prove Hulk stands a chance here.
In WWH vs Glads you say Hulk wins and do not concider bfr as an option (even though Glads has flight and a matching strength, while here you for some reason think that Hulk who is inferior to Jugernaut is somehow gonna bfr him and not the other way around, I just dont understand it.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Hes a skilled fighter but hes not that street smart to BFR someone.Fighting skills have nothing to do with street smarts. A black belt could get his ass kicked by a street smart fighter.
Juggs enchantment. And WWH's taking advantage of it previously.
Does that work only if he is already running. OR
Can Hulk take advantage of it even if he is standing still.
If the former then he wins this rematch even if it takes a month.
Through simply beating him constantly until WWH reverts to another form or simply just being beat down.
WWH won't revert to WBH these days his psychology has no reason to anymore while on Earth.
Originally posted by mucholocoNot really. If someone like Galactus fired the un do you really think the enchantment pertains to that kind of power?
I know it can, but to tax his healing factor you will have to cut his source of power, can he do it?
Originally posted by SamZEDWW Hulk showed he was right in the comic. 😂
Juggernaut's used his surrounding in one of his fights with Hulk. Hulk is no more effective in that department. Not at all.Again, Hulk only beat a weakened Juggernaut who wasn't even 1/10 of what he normally is. And thanks to PIS bfred him the second time after failing to even scratch him and after getting a beating from Juggs. Also Juggernaut knocked Hulk out in their previous battle. You saying that Hulk can bfr Juggs whenever he wants works both ways, there's a bigger chance that Juggs will bfr him or simply knock him out after a long fight.
By that logic Firelord supporters should try and prove that he can take Spider-man because comics showed Parker win.
Juggernaut has every advantage here and no disadvantage, all Hulk has is poorly written book with everyone jobbing to him, and even there he failed to put a scratch Juggernaut. So it is you who should try and prove Hulk stands a chance here.
In WWH vs Glads you say Hulk wins and do not concider bfr as an option (even though Glads has flight and a matching strength, while here you for some reason think that Hulk who is inferior to Jugernaut is somehow gonna bfr him and not the other way around, I just dont understand it.
If you can bench press mountains it doesnt take much street smarts to grab a guy and throw him into orbit. Both Juggs and Hulk could do that, with the difference that Juggs overall has better stats.
WW Hulk bfr'd him so call it pis but it's not especially when we consider the fact Skaar has bfr'd him as well.
WW Hulk is on Juggs level while Spiderman isn't. You can try and pretend and make horrible comparisons but it's you who ignores these things not me.
Glads attempted bfring a savage hulk and it failed. Again I go by the comics while you don't.
Originally posted by quanchi112Skaar cheapshotted him. And again I have no problem with Juggs being bfred as long as it doesnt happen for the sake of story because "the hero" must not lose which he was going to if it wasn't for the pis. Juggs being BFRed at that point was the solution the writers came up with so the Hulk wouldnt get his ass kicked because he's the hero of the story. Just like Strange getting distracted. Just like Sentry standing there and taking punches. Just like Strange needing an upgrade at all to pwn Hulk. Just like Reed Richards not being able to prep own Hulk. And just like Juggernaut not getting to finish the fight because Hulk made a side step.P.I.S.
Not really. If someone like Galactus fired the un do you really think the enchantment pertains to that kind of power? WW Hulk showed he was right in the comic. 😂WW Hulk bfr'd him so call it pis but it's not especially when we consider the fact Skaar has bfr'd him as well.
WW Hulk is on Juggs level while Spiderman isn't. You can try and pretend and make horrible comparisons but it's you who ignores these things not me.
Glads attempted bfring a savage hulk and it failed. Again I go by the comics while you don't.
You dont like Spider-man ok, Gladiator is a good comparison, their strength matches while Glads got flight, yet you do not think he'll be able to bfr Hulk. 😬 I go by comics AND common sense, if comics controdict common sense like in this case or in Strange fight I call it PIS while you have no problem with pis as long as it suits your argument. Id yet wanna hear an explanation why is Hulk gonna bfr Juggs and not the other way around. And with reasons. It happening once in a book is not a reason. Juggeraunt being invulnerable and holding every possible advantage is. Not to mention him KOing Hulk with his bare hands before.
Originally posted by SamZEDIt didn't have to happen that's the thing. It did happen which you want to disregard because you don't give credit where it is due.
Skaar cheapshotted him. And again I have no problem with Juggs being bfred as long as it doesnt happen for the sake of story because "the hero" must not lose which he was going to if it wasn't for the pis. Juggs being BFRed at that point was the solution the writers came up with so the Hulk wouldnt get his ass kicked because he's the hero of the story. Just like Strange getting distracted. Just like Sentry standing there and taking punches. Just like Strange needing an upgrade at all to pwn Hulk. Just like Reed Richards not being able to prep own Hulk. And just like Juggernaut not getting to finish the fight because Hulk made a side step.P.I.S.You dont like Spider-man ok, Gladiator is a good comparison, their strength matches while Glads got flight, yet you do not think he'll be able to bfr Hulk. 😬 I go by comics AND common sense, if comics controdict common sense like in this case or in Strange fight I call it PIS while you have no problem with pis as long as it suits your argument. Id yet wanna hear an explanation why is Hulk gonna bfr Juggs and not the other way around. And with reasons. It happening once in a book is not a reason. Juggeraunt being invulnerable and holding every possible advantage is. Not to mention him KOing Hulk with his bare hands before.
Strange didn't need an upgrade he could have owned the Hulk easily he didn't because of their friendship/ This is all on panel but you don't seem to recall any of this.
Most of the heroes went easy on Hulk because they didn't want to kill him as he did against them. Reed wasn't out to murder the Hulk so his plan while ineffectual makes sense when you factor in their history.
Again, you disregard what happens in the comics and what happened was Glads failed to bfr the Hulk. WW Hulk wins this fight all day.
Originally posted by quanchi112I simply can tell when it doesnt make sense. And in this case it doesnt.
It didn't have to happen that's the thing. It did happen which you want to disregard because you don't give credit where it is due.Strange didn't need an upgrade he could have owned the Hulk easily he didn't because of their friendship/ This is all on panel but you don't seem to recall any of this.
Most of the heroes went easy on Hulk because they didn't want to kill him as he did against them. Reed wasn't out to murder the Hulk so his plan while ineffectual makes sense when you factor in their history.
Again, you disregard what happens in the comics and what happened was Glads failed to bfr the Hulk. WW Hulk wins this fight all day.
Just gonna state what I think on the subject.
Juggernaut's strength = or more like > Hulk's strength.
Juggernaut's speed = Hulk's.
Juggernaut's skills = or even > Hulk's.
Juggernaut can BFR Hulk.
Hulk can BFR Juggs.
Hulk can't hurt the Juggernaut.
Juggernaut can hurt Hulk.
Juggernaut has beaten Hulk with his bare hands before.
I just dont see how anyone looking at this simple math could give Hulk the majority unless he/she simply wants the character to win.Few wins via lucky bfr maybe. But majority. ❌