Do I consider bfring Cain a cheap victory? No when it's done right. It has been shown in the past that Cain can float in water so if he had run in the water then he'd still be afloat, and he could stop or just turn around. Now if Hulk had bfr'd him to a lake in another city or state or country then that would've been more believable, he doesn't weigh much and all it would take is a monkey flip or something to redirect him. It's like Rulk and Thor fighting and Rulk punches him from the Earth to the moon and it's counted as a BFR.
So to reiterate, no BFRing Cain is not cheap so long as it's done in a logical way, running him into a lake when he can float is not one. Who won the WWH fight? Hulk did.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I do not agree with any of this.Savage Hulk have some of the best strenght feat in comics. WWH was said to be his better. Strenght wise, they should be equal, or an edge to Hulk.
Hulk can punch at the speed of sound, can run at great speed, and jump miles, and miles in hight and in lenght. Hulk is deffinitively the fastest there.
Juggernaut is without a doubt more skilled that Savage Hulk. However, WWH seems to be fairly skilled, and even more that Juggernaut, who just brawl.
And the most important thing, WWH completly and absolutly outwit Juggernaut, and that's not even debatable.
Hulk can BFR Juggernaut, and the opposite is most likely impossible, since Hulk can jump even into orbit if he wants. So if Juggy bfr Hulk, Hulk can comeback.
Juggernaut can hurt Hulk. But Hulk can regenate, and doesn't tired. If I'm correct, Juggy can tired, right? Also, WWH was terribly tough: doesn't he survived being shred by adamantium ammos, and became resistant enough to even resist them?
What I wish to see someday in a comic is Hulk outpower the enchantement of Cytorrak: Becoming strong enough that the shields just doesn't resist. Which is what I think would happen.
The reason why I said that Juggs = or > Hulk in strength is - once he gains momentum he cant be stopped, that's how the spell works, but in order to gain that momentum Juggernaut had to physically overpower Hulk and he did it. That was a test of their strength and Juggernaut overpowered him. The spel in no way helps him to gain the momentum only makes him unstopable once he stars moving.
I wouldnt call Savage Hulk skilled at all comparing to Juggernaut, and judging by their fights in the past the difference in skills is to incignificant to make a difference anyway, though Id give a slight edge to Juggs.
Hulk can jump into orbit, but I dont see how it makes it impossible for Juggernaut to bfr, in order to return Hulk would have to land onto something and jump back and the chances of him hitting a solid ground after being randomly tossed into space is 0.000001/100. Not in the first few months that is. So Juggs bfring Hulk is as likely as Hulk bfring him, wits has nothing to do with it. Juggs has outwitted (is it even a word?) Hulk before and im not talking Savage Hulk.
Juggernaut doesn't get tired EVER, doesnt need to eat, drink, breath or sleep. Hulk on the other hand though has a great hf can be hurt and his hf can be overloaded as was already proven many times before by lesser opponents than Juggernaut and by Juggs himself. In order to overcome the spell it takes a very powerful being, physical strength alone (even limitless one) wont beat the magic spell. Hulk is not getting past the shield, invulnerability and hf. I vote for Juggernaut here because he holds all the cards.
Originally posted by quanchi112Details in this case hardly explain Strange's behaivour. He could've banished him in another dimension (incert 50 other options you prefere) at ANY second ever since Hulk's return. Hulk's smarts and trickery in no way explain why Strange failed to do that. Not does their so called friendship. The story requiring for Hulk to win on the other hand does explain it.
The reason Strange didn't was because of their friendship and Hulk used his intelligence for him to come out of astral form and for him to break his hands. This pissed off strange and he did what he did to get back at him. Strange could easily beat him on his own but Hulk outsmarted him. You are taking things out of context or forgetting details.Reed had a reasonable plan but since it failed you call pis. Typical. The whole story was about how badass Hulk was not how stupid everyone else was. I mean it's Hulk hating 101 you are trying to teach and I ain't having any.
How is it greater than Hulk's strength? Please do tell. Hulk has no limits while Juggs does. Advantage Hulk.
Hulk's quicker than Juggs and doesn't have to stay grounded either so advantage Hulk.
Did you just say Juggs skills are greater than Hulk's? Do you know who these characters are at this point because I'd like you to reference a few examples as to make your point here.
WW Hulk bfr'd Juggs. Not the other way around so the comics back me up while your delusions back you up.
Juggs can't beat WW Hulk. Hulk can bfr him or beat him down.
WW Hulk is greater than previous Hulks Juggs has fought so your point is irrelevant. It's like saying Marvel is equal to supes therefore he is equal to sundipped supes. Terrible points.
I don't see ho wyou coul deven type some of the replies here as it didn't happen ye yet what I am basing it off did occur. WW Hulk wins all day.
Smarter, stronger, faster, and more tactical.
I do not hate Hulk, I hate poorly written stories. The very fact that you have no problem with Reed failing with prep is funny. You know Reed, the same guy who has time travelled, goes to another dimensions for pizza, discovers new universes every day and who preped for Galactus several times as well as many other beings far more powerful than a really STRONG green dude with hf and no mystic abilities. Now you see why I call it PIS? Normally itd take him 1 mintute of time spent in his lab to deal with that kind of "threat" but not this time because it's Hulk and it's his badass return. So Reed and others decide to job to him for the sake of the story which is perfectly understandable by comicbook standarts but in no way should be used to downplay other character's abilities.
On paper, not so much in the books, especially WWH, tbh random Savage Hulk strength and HF showings were more impressive than WWH's who couldnt even heal his eyes in a second. Juggs strength is magic based and his upperlimits weren't shown just like Hulk's, he never struggled to lift anything, heck he already beat Hulk once and overpowered him in WWH stories. The very book covered the strength issue, they were evenly matched with Juggernaut being the first one to push Hulk back (and please dont say it's the unstopability, nowhere in his powerset it says that Juggernaut can't be pushed back while he's standing, it was a pure strength test at first)
No he's not quicker. Can be argued using their previous encounters, and if Hulk desides to hop around like a bunny rabbit its just gonna be easier for Jugernaut to punch him into space.
Even better, a question to you. Have you read their previous fight? Because it seems to me that you think Hulk beating a depowered Juggernaut says something about their skills.
WWH is said to be greater but he in no way (other than some characters jobbing to him) displayed his greatness, his HF was crap and his strength was nothing a REALLY pissed off Hulk couldnt do.
"Juggs can't beat WW Hulk. Hulk can bfr him or beat him down."
🤨 You got it the other way around bud. Juggs can bfr Hulk AND beat him with his bare hands like he already did before. Hulk can't do squat to him with his bare hands and stands a SLIM chance of BFRing him.
Id yet wanna hear you give ONE good reason why Hulk takes the majority. Because "he bfred him once in a book" is not a reason, going by that I can say that Venom beats Superman and Squirrel Girl beats Thanos because it HAPPENED in a book and if we go by that logic KMC would turn into crap, around here we go by character's abilities and Juggernaut's overall >>> Hulk's. "Smarter" means nothing here, "stronger" simply not true. Juggernaut has many option while Hulk only has a teeny chance of bfr. That's IT. So if you're gonna give him the majority you really need to come up with something better than that. What counts here - Juggernaut can beat Hulk into bloody puddle, Hulk can't hurt or ko Juggernaut in any way. So far Juggernaut holds every possible advantage. You saying that Hulk wins makes about as much sense as saying that Thing will beat Savage Hulk because he's smarter more skilled and can bfr.😬
Originally posted by SamZED
Hulk is faster when it comes to covering a big distance, running, jumping. When it comes to this he's faster than Spider-man. But its not the kind of speed that matters here. We're talking about combat speed and his combat speed is no better than Juggernauts.The reason why I said that Juggs = or > Hulk in strength is - once he gains momentum he cant be stopped, that's how the spell works, but in order to gain that momentum Juggernaut had to physically overpower Hulk and he did it. That was a test of their strength and Juggernaut overpowered him. The spel in no way helps him to gain the momentum only makes him unstopable once he stars moving.
I wouldnt call Savage Hulk skilled at all comparing to Juggernaut, and judging by their fights in the past the difference in skills is to incignificant to make a difference anyway, though Id give a slight edge to Juggs.
Hulk can jump into orbit, but I dont see how it makes it impossible for Juggernaut to bfr, in order to return Hulk would have to land onto something and jump back and the chances of him hitting a solid ground after being randomly tossed into space is 0.000001/100. Not in the first few months that is. So Juggs bfring Hulk is as likely as Hulk bfring him, wits has nothing to do with it. Juggs has outwitted (is it even a word?) Hulk before and im not talking Savage Hulk.
Juggernaut doesn't get tired EVER, doesnt need to eat, drink, breath or sleep. Hulk on the other hand though has a great hf can be hurt and his hf can be overloaded as was already proven many times before by lesser opponents than Juggernaut and by Juggs himself. In order to overcome the spell it takes a very powerful being, physical strength alone (even limitless one) wont beat the magic spell. Hulk is not getting past the shield, invulnerability and hf. I vote for Juggernaut here because he holds all the cards.
Details in this case hardly explain Strange's behaivour. He could've banished him in another dimension (incert 50 other options you prefere) at ANY second ever since Hulk's return. Hulk's smarts and trickery in no way explain why Strange failed to do that. Not does their so called friendship. The story requiring for Hulk to win on the other hand does explain it.
I do not hate Hulk, I hate poorly written stories. The very fact that you have no problem with Reed failing with prep is funny. You know Reed, the same guy who has time travelled, goes to another dimensions for pizza, discovers new universes every day and who preped for Galactus several times as well as many other beings far more powerful than a really STRONG green dude with hf and no mystic abilities. Now you see why I call it PIS? Normally itd take him 1 mintute of time spent in his lab to deal with that kind of "threat" but not this time because it's Hulk and it's his badass return. So Reed and others decide to job to him for the sake of the story which is perfectly understandable by comicbook standarts but in no way should be used to downplay other character's abilities.
Hulk has limits clearly, especially WWH, tbh random Savage Hulk strength and HF showings were more impressive than WWH's who couldnt even heal his eyes in a second. Juggs strength is magic based and his upperlimits weren't shown just like Hulk's, he never struggled to lift anything, heck he already beat Hulk once and overpowered him in WWH stories. The very book covered the strength issue, they were evenly matched with Juggernaut being the first one to push Hulk back (and please dont say it's the unstopability, nowhere in his powerset it says that Juggernaut can't be pushed back while he's standing, it was a pure strength test at first)
No he's not quicker. Can be argued using their previous encounters, and if Hulk desides to hop around like a bunny rabbit its just gonna be easier for Jugernaut to punch him into space.
Even better, a question to you. Have you read their previous fight? Because it seems to me that you think Hulk beating a depowered Juggernaut says something about their skills.
WWH is said to be greater but he in no way (other than some characters jobbing to him) displayed his greatness, his HF was crap and his strength was nothing a REALLY pissed off Hulk couldnt do.
"Juggs can't beat WW Hulk. Hulk can bfr him or beat him down."
🤨 You got it the other way around bud. Juggs can bfr Hulk AND beat him with his bare hands like he already did before. Hulk can't to squat to him with his bare hands and stands a slim chance to BFR him.Id yet wanna hear you give ONE good rewason why Hulk takes a majority. Because "he bfred him once in a book" is not a reason, going by that I can say that Venom beats Superman and Squirrel Girl beats Thanos because it happened and KMC would turn into crap, around here we go by character's abilities and Juggernaut's overall >>> Hulk's. "Smarter" means nothing here, "stronger" simply not true. Juggernaut has many option while Hulk only has a teeny chance of bfr. That's IT. So if you're gonna give him the majority you really need to come up with something better than that. What counts here - Juggernaut can beat Hulk into bloody puddle, Hulk can't hurt or ko Juggernaut in any way. So far Juggernaut holds every possible advantage. You saying that Hulk wins makes about as much sense as saying that Thing will beat Savage Hulk because he's smarter more skilled and can bfr.😬
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Originally posted by SamZEDThey already got rid of him before so that option was off the table. Look this has all been described over and over again why they didn't use these options. You act as if You didn't read it and were upset with the Hulk's overall power and effectiveness in the arc.
Hulk is faster when it comes to covering a big distance, running, jumping. When it comes to this he's faster than Spider-man. But its not the kind of speed that matters here. We're talking about combat speed and his combat speed is no better than Juggernauts.The reason why I said that Juggs = or > Hulk in strength is - once he gains momentum he cant be stopped, that's how the spell works, but in order to gain that momentum Juggernaut had to physically overpower Hulk and he did it. That was a test of their strength and Juggernaut overpowered him. The spel in no way helps him to gain the momentum only makes him unstopable once he stars moving.
I wouldnt call Savage Hulk skilled at all comparing to Juggernaut, and judging by their fights in the past the difference in skills is to incignificant to make a difference anyway, though Id give a slight edge to Juggs.
Hulk can jump into orbit, but I dont see how it makes it impossible for Juggernaut to bfr, in order to return Hulk would have to land onto something and jump back and the chances of him hitting a solid ground after being randomly tossed into space is 0.000001/100. Not in the first few months that is. So Juggs bfring Hulk is as likely as Hulk bfring him, wits has nothing to do with it. Juggs has outwitted (is it even a word?) Hulk before and im not talking Savage Hulk.
Juggernaut doesn't get tired EVER, doesnt need to eat, drink, breath or sleep. Hulk on the other hand though has a great hf can be hurt and his hf can be overloaded as was already proven many times before by lesser opponents than Juggernaut and by Juggs himself. In order to overcome the spell it takes a very powerful being, physical strength alone (even limitless one) wont beat the magic spell. Hulk is not getting past the shield, invulnerability and hf. I vote for Juggernaut here because he holds all the cards.
Details in this case hardly explain Strange's behaivour. He could've banished him in another dimension (incert 50 other options you prefere) at ANY second ever since Hulk's return. Hulk's smarts and trickery in no way explain why Strange failed to do that. Not does their so called friendship. The story requiring for Hulk to win on the other hand does explain it.
I do not hate Hulk, I hate poorly written stories. The very fact that you have no problem with Reed failing with prep is funny. You know Reed, the same guy who has time travelled, goes to another dimensions for pizza, discovers new universes every day and who preped for Galactus several times as well as many other beings far more powerful than a really STRONG green dude with hf and no mystic abilities. Now you see why I call it PIS? Normally itd take him 1 mintute of time spent in his lab to deal with that kind of "threat" but not this time because it's Hulk and it's his badass return. So Reed and others decide to job to him for the sake of the story which is perfectly understandable by comicbook standarts but in no way should be used to downplay other character's abilities.
On paper, not so much in the books, especially WWH, tbh random Savage Hulk strength and HF showings were more impressive than WWH's who couldnt even heal his eyes in a second. Juggs strength is magic based and his upperlimits weren't shown just like Hulk's, he never struggled to lift anything, heck he already beat Hulk once and overpowered him in WWH stories. The very book covered the strength issue, they were evenly matched with Juggernaut being the first one to push Hulk back (and please dont say it's the unstopability, nowhere in his powerset it says that Juggernaut can't be pushed back while he's standing, it was a pure strength test at first)
No he's not quicker. Can be argued using their previous encounters, and if Hulk desides to hop around like a bunny rabbit its just gonna be easier for Jugernaut to punch him into space.
Even better, a question to you. Have you read their previous fight? Because it seems to me that you think Hulk beating a depowered Juggernaut says something about their skills.
WWH is said to be greater but he in no way (other than some characters jobbing to him) displayed his greatness, his HF was crap and his strength was nothing a REALLY pissed off Hulk couldnt do.
"Juggs can't beat WW Hulk. Hulk can bfr him or beat him down."
🤨 You got it the other way around bud. Juggs can bfr Hulk AND beat him with his bare hands like he already did before. Hulk can't do squat to him with his bare hands and stands a SLIM chance of BFRing him.Id yet wanna hear you give ONE good reason why Hulk takes the majority. Because "he bfred him once in a book" is not a reason, going by that I can say that Venom beats Superman and Squirrel Girl beats Thanos because it HAPPENED in a book and if we go by that logic KMC would turn into crap, around here we go by character's abilities and Juggernaut's overall >>> Hulk's. "Smarter" means nothing here, "stronger" simply not true. Juggernaut has many option while Hulk only has a teeny chance of bfr. That's IT. So if you're gonna give him the majority you really need to come up with something better than that. What counts here - Juggernaut can beat Hulk into bloody puddle, Hulk can't hurt or ko Juggernaut in any way. So far Juggernaut holds every possible advantage. You saying that Hulk wins makes about as much sense as saying that Thing will beat Savage Hulk because he's smarter more skilled and can bfr.😬
Under the circumstances and prior to that what's wrong with his plan? Reed has failed before and will do so again so him not coming through against his old friend under the circumstances is fine with me. You basically want to dismiss everything the writer did which means you are biased.
Feats do not prove someone's overall superiority in there own. The writer explained this was the baddest Hulk we had seen at this point. We don't need to see him oneshot a planet to do so.
Neither were being pushed back the Hulk and Juggs were directing their force underground. They were holding their ground and Hulk stated He had no time for this and easily defeated him via bfr. Two mutant teams and Juggs all fell before the Hulk's rage who we later find out he held back the entire arc basically as to not take anyone's life.
How often has Juggernaut punched someone into space? Wow. You really say things that are so far fetched and try your hardest to ignore everything which happened in the comic. You act like h1 in that regard. You tell us how you envision the fight and ignore what the comics give us as likely to happen.
It says something about the Juggernaut's stupidity to challenge the Hulk at this point. Hulk easily kicked the crap out of the idiot who didn't understand his powers weren't in full force so again he's an idiot.
His hf was crap? He healed immediately from a broken neck, stomped mutants after having his eyes sliced, survived adamantium shrapnel, etc. To suggest this Hulk had a terrible healing factor is one of the worst things I have ever heard. You are a Hulk hater. It's plain to see and those supporting these erroneous statements are the same.
When did Juggs beat WW Hulk? You seem to think any Hulk equals WW Hulk which again means you don't get it.
Who beat WW Hulk into a bloody pool? WW Hulk easily took him on after gong through him once and right after he wrecked two teams of mutants. Even if you throw him help he still loses. WW Hulk is too smart to get bfr'd from the idiot who took on WW Hulk once without his full power and the second time he was easily distracted and bfr'd. Hulk's his superior in every way and has no limits to his strength.
Juggs even gets bfr'd by Hulk's kid. Juggs even recently got beaten up yet again. His stock continues to fall. WW Hulk wins even if you throw a mutant team on Juggs side.
Originally posted by SamZED
Hulk is faster when it comes to covering a big distance, running, jumping. When it comes to this he's faster than Spider-man. But its not the kind of speed that matters here. We're talking about combat speed and his combat speed is no better than Juggernauts.The reason why I said that Juggs = or > Hulk in strength is - once he gains momentum he cant be stopped, that's how the spell works, but in order to gain that momentum Juggernaut had to physically overpower Hulk and he did it. That was a test of their strength and Juggernaut overpowered him. The spel in no way helps him to gain the momentum only makes him unstopable once he stars moving.
I wouldnt call Savage Hulk skilled at all comparing to Juggernaut, and judging by their fights in the past the difference in skills is to incignificant to make a difference anyway, though Id give a slight edge to Juggs.
Hulk can jump into orbit, but I dont see how it makes it impossible for Juggernaut to bfr, in order to return Hulk would have to land onto something and jump back and the chances of him hitting a solid ground after being randomly tossed into space is 0.000001/100. Not in the first few months that is. So Juggs bfring Hulk is as likely as Hulk bfring him, wits has nothing to do with it. Juggs has outwitted (is it even a word?) Hulk before and im not talking Savage Hulk.
Juggernaut doesn't get tired EVER, doesnt need to eat, drink, breath or sleep. Hulk on the other hand though has a great hf can be hurt and his hf can be overloaded as was already proven many times before by lesser opponents than Juggernaut and by Juggs himself. In order to overcome the spell it takes a very powerful being, physical strength alone (even limitless one) wont beat the magic spell. Hulk is not getting past the shield, invulnerability and hf. I vote for Juggernaut here because he holds all the cards.
Details in this case hardly explain Strange's behaivour. He could've banished him in another dimension (incert 50 other options you prefere) at ANY second ever since Hulk's return. Hulk's smarts and trickery in no way explain why Strange failed to do that. Not does their so called friendship. The story requiring for Hulk to win on the other hand does explain it.
I do not hate Hulk, I hate poorly written stories. The very fact that you have no problem with Reed failing with prep is funny. You know Reed, the same guy who has time travelled, goes to another dimensions for pizza, discovers new universes every day and who preped for Galactus several times as well as many other beings far more powerful than a really STRONG green dude with hf and no mystic abilities. Now you see why I call it PIS? Normally itd take him 1 mintute of time spent in his lab to deal with that kind of "threat" but not this time because it's Hulk and it's his badass return. So Reed and others decide to job to him for the sake of the story which is perfectly understandable by comicbook standarts but in no way should be used to downplay other character's abilities.
On paper, not so much in the books, especially WWH, tbh random Savage Hulk strength and HF showings were more impressive than WWH's who couldnt even heal his eyes in a second. Juggs strength is magic based and his upperlimits weren't shown just like Hulk's, he never struggled to lift anything, heck he already beat Hulk once and overpowered him in WWH stories. The very book covered the strength issue, they were evenly matched with Juggernaut being the first one to push Hulk back (and please dont say it's the unstopability, nowhere in his powerset it says that Juggernaut can't be pushed back while he's standing, it was a pure strength test at first)
No he's not quicker. Can be argued using their previous encounters, and if Hulk desides to hop around like a bunny rabbit its just gonna be easier for Jugernaut to punch him into space.
Even better, a question to you. Have you read their previous fight? Because it seems to me that you think Hulk beating a depowered Juggernaut says something about their skills.
WWH is said to be greater but he in no way (other than some characters jobbing to him) displayed his greatness, his HF was crap and his strength was nothing a REALLY pissed off Hulk couldnt do.
"Juggs can't beat WW Hulk. Hulk can bfr him or beat him down."
🤨 You got it the other way around bud. Juggs can bfr Hulk AND beat him with his bare hands like he already did before. Hulk can't do squat to him with his bare hands and stands a SLIM chance of BFRing him.Id yet wanna hear you give ONE good reason why Hulk takes the majority. Because "he bfred him once in a book" is not a reason, going by that I can say that Venom beats Superman and Squirrel Girl beats Thanos because it HAPPENED in a book and if we go by that logic KMC would turn into crap, around here we go by character's abilities and Juggernaut's overall >>> Hulk's. "Smarter" means nothing here, "stronger" simply not true. Juggernaut has many option while Hulk only has a teeny chance of bfr. That's IT. So if you're gonna give him the majority you really need to come up with something better than that. What counts here - Juggernaut can beat Hulk into bloody puddle, Hulk can't hurt or ko Juggernaut in any way. So far Juggernaut holds every possible advantage. You saying that Hulk wins makes about as much sense as saying that Thing will beat Savage Hulk because he's smarter more skilled and can bfr.😬
Thread over.
Originally posted by quanchi112It would've been a debate if you tried to provide any arguments at all. Other than a bfr in the book. So far it was me explaining why Juggeranut is superior in every way and you ignoring it because you don't like it.
He took a lot of things out o fcontext and tried to downplay the Hulk at eveyr turn and ignored the actual battle between the two characters from this very thread. I'd agree it's over but I don't feel he won the debate.
Originally posted by quanchi112Why would I be upset with his abilities, I could honestly give a crap about Hulk even if he stomps Thanos one day, but it doesnt change KMC rules. PIS is PIS. The whole story was about more powerful characters who could own Hulk in a blink jobbing to him. Its a fact.
They already got rid of him before so that option was off the table. Look this has all been described over and over again why they didn't use these options. You act as if You didn't read it and were upset with the Hulk's overall power and effectiveness in the arc.Under the circumstances and prior to that what's wrong with his plan? Reed has failed before and will do so again so him not coming through against his old friend under the circumstances is fine with me. You basically want to dismiss everything the writer did which means you are biased.
Feats do not prove someone's overall superiority in there own. The writer explained this was the baddest Hulk we had seen at this point. We don't need to see him oneshot a planet to do so.
Neither were being pushed back the Hulk and Juggs were directing their force underground. They were holding their ground and Hulk stated He had no time for this and easily defeated him via bfr. Two mutant teams and Juggs all fell before the Hulk's rage who we later find out he held back the entire arc basically as to not take anyone's life.
How often has Juggernaut punched someone into space? Wow. You really say things that are so far fetched and try your hardest to ignore everything which happened in the comic. You act like h1 in that regard. You tell us how you envision the fight and ignore what the comics give us as likely to happen.
It says something about the Juggernaut's stupidity to challenge the Hulk at this point. Hulk easily kicked the crap out of the idiot who didn't understand his powers weren't in full force so again he's an idiot.
His hf was crap? He healed immediately from a broken neck, stomped mutants after having his eyes sliced, survived adamantium shrapnel, etc. To suggest this Hulk had a terrible healing factor is one of the worst things I have ever heard. You are a Hulk hater. It's plain to see and those supporting these erroneous statements are the same.
When did Juggs beat WW Hulk? You seem to think any Hulk equals WW Hulk which again means you don't get it.
Who beat WW Hulk into a bloody pool? WW Hulk easily took him on after gong through him once and right after he wrecked two teams of mutants. Even if you throw him help he still loses. WW Hulk is too smart to get bfr'd from the idiot who took on WW Hulk once without his full power and the second time he was easily distracted and bfr'd. Hulk's his superior in every way and has no limits to his strength.
Juggs even gets bfr'd by Hulk's kid. Juggs even recently got beaten up yet again. His stock continues to fall. WW Hulk wins even if you throw a mutant team on Juggs side.
How getting rid of him was off the table? Sorry but its just an excduse. They could've easilly send him on a trip with a oneway ticket and the whole "friendship" and "he'll come back somehow anyway" is bs excuses made for the same reason, so Hulk could kick everyone's ass via PIS.
You're talking about bias here? Basically you give Hulk the majority because he MIGHT bfr Juggernaut and think that Juggernaut for God knows what reason can't bfr him. Which you can't even explain. Also you think that Hulk can somehow overcome the power of cytorak with a PUNCH and manage to knock Juggs out even though he wasn't able to even scratch him before, not to mention you're 100% sure Juggernaut can't hurt or ko Hulk even though he hurt him and knocked him out in the past, and in the very crappy WWH story he was making Hulk bleed and Hulk was clearly hurt by the punches yet you say Juggs wont be able to eventually knock him out and you CAN'T explain ANY of it. You just go "nananana limitless strength nananana" And call ME biased and a hater...😬 My reasoning is pretty simple. When a character that normally should stomp another character who is much less powerful than him but gets stomped on for the sake of a story with silly excuses like "friendship" etc it's PIS. That's what happened with Reed and that's what happened with Strange. Dont get me started on the Sentry. And I know WWH is SUPPOSEDLY stronger than Hulk, thank you, doesnt change the fact that he failed to hurt Juggs and was getting hurt just like any other version of the Hulk Juggs faced so stop even trying to use "WWH is different" as an argument. He's gonna get knocked out just the same. Maybe with 2 extra punches. And now you throw random Juggernaut losses to prove a point? Of him getting cheapshotted by Skaar? Helps your case a lot... :facepalm: Ok Hulk got his ass kicked by Spider-man. Twice or even three times. Yay? I can think of half a dozen streetlevelers who beat the Hulk. So dont go there, its WWH vs Juggernaut fight we're talking about and Juggernaut is superior in every way, that's all that matters. And yes WWH hf was crap, took him several pages to heal his eyes, ignore it all you like its a fact, normal Hulk had better display of HF.
You calling me biased is kinda funny. My reasons - Juggs got the strength, better HF, shields, unstopability, can't die, can't tire, has easilly hurt WWH with a few punches and knocked out Hulk before, is indestructible, and his durability >>>>>>>>>>> WWH's AND on top of that can BFR Hulk onto sun. While Hulk got "limitless strength" that for some reason wasnt a match for Juggernaut's strength, a healing factor that doesnt save him from Juggernaut's punches and small TINY chance of bfr. And going by that you give him the majority and call ME biased and a hater.🤨 Oh yeah AND he's smarter too. Yay for him. Reed, Strange aside you failed to counter any of my arguments or even try to explain why all the options Juggernaut has wouldnt work. You simply base the outcome of the fight on the simple fact that you like Hulk a lot. And that's ridiculous.