Alot of the stupid shit Godzilla did with the old movies (jumping jacks in a rubber suit Or dancing like Muhammad ali) were with Showa era stuff....hell they even had Godzilla make a cameo on a power ranger/Super Sentai like show
Originally posted by Mindship
Two more chances to get it right.
what didn't you like about this one?
Originally posted by KazenjiAs I mentioned in prior posts...essentially, I felt mislead by the marketing. I expected (generally): Godzilla rises, attacks cities (plural, yes), military tries to stop him. As they're formulating plans for new defenses, the mutos begin to make their appearances and fulfill their damage quota. Finally, when all seems lost, the monsters fight, Serizawa sees the big picture, and Cranston is still alive by pic's end (or he could've died then).
what didn't you like about this one?
It was great seeing Godzilla in CGI, don't get me wrong, and the end fight scene was great (love the a-breath stuff). But I felt like this movie could've been titled something like, "Godzilla 2", or "Mutos Breed! (with guest stars Godzilla and Bryan Cranston).
Simply not enough of the Big Guy doing his destructive thing. (And how they marketed Cranston as being more involved was shameful).
I hate to say it (again), but "proper" plot/event sequencing was something even Zilla 98 got right (the original Godzilla also did it better). I suspect, from something I read, that Edwards(?) didn't want to induce "CGI fatigue" in his audiences (something I do applaud him for), but he may have overcompensated and underdid it.
Also i just watched James Rolfe (aka The Angry Video Game nerd) review, He had the same problem with it with all teasing they did with Godzilla they get ready to show him and then they cut away
but then he said something about it seemed like they were trying to do what the very first movie did with the whole build up to his appearance & is hoping that stuff is over and done with when they start with the sequel
also commented on about the Muto how it felt too much like the Super 8 alien or Cloverfield compared to the Japanese which have a much better creativty for making up monsters & So yeah he's hoping they have better imagination for the sequel's monster.
Originally posted by KazenjiIn large part thanks to the deceptive marketing, also from having watched a gazillion monster pics in my lifetime (from "Beast from 20,000 Fathoms" to "Cloverfield"😉, wherein events followed expectations.
Just seems that you had different expectations
Originally posted by KazenjiMany of the silly ones I did not watch -- couldn't bear to see Godzilla portrayed that way. I loved him in his movie (with the very long title) where he had pupilless eyes: there was even a brief CGI shot of him swimming that looked fantastic. The only Godzilla flick I really wanna see, but haven't, is Final Wars.
as for Godzilla not being in the movie alot haven't you watched any of the other movies?.....few of those he's not in it 90% of the time at most 50% or 75%.
Yes, I know from other monster pics (eg, Gorgo, Giant Behemoth, Rodan), that the monster doesn't dominate screentime (and believe me, as a kid, I wished they did). But at least, imho, they didn't come off as guest-starring in their own films. And certainly, the main human star hung around til pic's end.
Originally posted by KazenjiI think what helped the first movie was that it was half the running time of this one. So you didn't have to wait as long, and proportionally this meant more screen time for the big lug.
but then he said something about it seemed like they were trying to do what the very first movie did with the whole build up to his appearance.
What I used to b1tch about mostly as a kid was why were the monsters shown so much in the dark/at night. And my dad's answer: this way you can't see how bad some of the FX are.
Here's James Rolfe's thoughts on the movie
Originally posted by KazenjiHe hit main points, I felt.
Here's James Rolfe's thoughts on the movie
I gotta see Final Wars.
Interestingly: I had watched a youtube last week which argued that the first "American Godzilla" flick was the one with Raymond Burr.
Speaking of Nolan films,
Spoiler:
the successor to the atomic bomb the military was gonna use to wipe San Francisco and a good portion of the continent it's on off the map failed because everyone is still alive. I don't care if it was set out to sea with twenty minutes on the timer, everyone besides Godzilla should've died and I'm not just saying that out of dislike for Taylor Johnson's character. The reality would be if that thing went off, you're boned. If the explosion doesn't get you, the fallout will. There would be no cuddly family reunion at the stadium, only death.
Originally posted by Kazenji
as for Godzilla not being in the movie alot haven't you watched any of the other movies?.....few of those he's not in it 90% of the time at most 50% or 75%.
I'm not picking on you Kaz but I think you're kinda missing the point comparing Godzilla's screen time now to the amount he got in the old "classics."
Point I'm making is that the old classics largely relied on scale model cities & props...the director/ special fx guys literally had one shot at getting the scene right before the guy in a rubber suit stomped it all to smithereens. Thus footage of Godzilla's destruction was always limited.
You can't use the same reasoning with today's cgi effects.
Pacific Rim was deliberately over the top but I wouldn't say suffered from Cgi Fatigue. Although Bay's Transformers, I would definitely say suffers from it by the bucket load.
You can't use the lack of Godzilla from classic movies as a formula that applies to this remake of Godzilla. It's ok for Edwards to tease but when he finally does not deliver to what the audience wants & expects from a Godzilla film, then that's where the disappoinment lies. Monsters was a big tease, but the focus wasn't on the creatures, it was on the human characters, the reversal of what Godzilla should've been.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I'm not picking on you Kaz but I think you're kinda missing the point comparing Godzilla's screen time now to the amount he got in the old "classics."Point I'm making is that the old classics largely relied on scale model cities & props...the director/ special fx guys literally had one shot at getting the scene right before the guy in a rubber suit stomped it all to smithereens. Thus footage of Godzilla's destruction was always limited.
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unfortunately i'm not missing the point
and how is that any different to filming this new movie obviously they had to plan it out with story boards among other things and with Gareth Edwards calling the shots on set with how he wants things to be done.
Originally posted by Kazenji
and how is that any different to filming this new movie obviously they had to plan it out with story boards among other things and with Gareth Edwards calling the shots on set with how he wants things to be done.
I'm talking about model makers taking weeks to build a one-off city that gets destroyed in five minutes of footage.
CGI buildings can be blown up & restored by just a press of a button, yes I'm simplifying the process but stating a big difference in man-power.