Originally posted by The Nuul
Some people just dont read Punisher enough to know he can take on low level Super Humans just fine without guns....
Tell me about it.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Castle wouldn't see him coming...
Realistically Warren at the first whiff of Frank hunting him would transform anyway.
But grounded? Castle.
Aerial Warren.
Archangel would win grounded though.
No archangel in this thread.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Yeah I know
Castle Grounded
Warren Aerial
I still think he can win aerial. Its not like hes going to stand there and wait for him to pounce. Punisher has a whole envinronment he can use to his advantage. He'll probably wait for him then jump him.
Hes also skilled enough to get him by throwing his knife eventhough its not a foregone conclusion.
I agree also depends on the size of the church.
If massive cathedral size Warren has the advantage.
Castle will definitely go under the benches and crawl slide towards an enclosed area but with morality on I can't see why Warren would create any collateral damage to flush him out. I realistically see him flying up to a banner and calling the cops.
The second Warren tries to poke his head under the benches he very well is in trouble.
Considering both scenarios Frank wins all together 8/10
It's an odd locale and the only way the stalemate can conclude in the Aerial scenario is if sirens signal police arrival outside the church and Frank makes a run for it which will conclude with something whacking his head at sonic speed.
But Frank wins this simply because of the knife.
If he had a gun he wins 10/10
Originally posted by Deadline
I still think he can win aerial. Its not like hes going to stand there and wait for him to pounce. Punisher has a whole envinronment he can use to his advantage. He'll probably wait for him then jump him.Hes also skilled enough to get him by throwing his knife eventhough its not a foregone conclusion.
I agree that Frank will bait and wait. Only striking when he needs too. All he needs is one good hit or just keep striking away until Angel is too weak from bleeding too much....then its over.
I agree that Frank will bait and wait. Only striking when he needs too. All he needs is one good hit or just keep striking away until Angel is too weak from bleeding too much....then its over.
Originally posted by Survivor19
Nonsense.
All Warren needs is one good hit.
Frank, on the other hand, just con't be realistically able to dish out enough damage to overcome his HF.
This is Warren no Archangel evolution Tech involved.
Just light bones enhanced muscles and extreme flight ability.
Plus it's in a church where Frank has access to benches and other tight areas.
Originally posted by Survivor19
If you want to take away his HF, you should say so. Because it's his legitimate ability in Angel (non-metal) form, too
Originally posted by 753
Feathery angel has soloed a sentinel, can wreck or kill a man with a single flap of his wings and has a healing factor. He doesnt need to go after punisher, all he needs to do is pick things up and drop them on him. And I very much doubt punisher will take him down with a knife throw.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
cant feathered wing angel create dust cloud and strong winds to knock back punisher and just pummel him that way?i wasnt aware that even in his normal feathered state warren had a strong HF.. is strong enough to tank knife wounds?
I'm farily certain he can handle a stab wound, besides punisher will have to come way too close to his wings to stab him. A dust cloud I suppose is within his power, winds to knock him down I dont think so.
Originally posted by the ninjak
He's in a church though....lots of cover and Warren can't just drop things when Frank instictively go under pews and awaits a ground assault. Can Warren take a knife to the vitals...how strong is his HF?
Some sacred images are rather heavy so they can cause some damage despite him hiding beneath the benchs, besides sooner or later he'll have to come out. Burning the place down is another way to flush him out. I think he survives a stab to his vital organs, even if it compromises his fighting abilities, he'll have the oportunitie to counterstrike with his wings immediatelly, if punisher closes in on him, probably before being stabbed too.
Originally posted by 753
I'm farily certain he can handle a stab wound, besides punisher will have to come way too close to his wings to stab him. A dust cloud I suppose is within his power, winds to knock him down I dont think so.
Punisher has been capable of stunning Wolverine.
Wolverines HF > Angels.
Originally posted by 753
Some sacred images are rather heavy so they can cause some damage despite him hiding beneath the benchs, besides sooner or later he'll have to come out. Burning the place down is another way to flush him out. I think he survives a stab to his vital organs, even if it compromises his fighting abilities, he'll have the oportunitie to counterstrike with his wings immediatelly, if punisher closes in on him, probably before being stabbed too.
So wait Angel is better than Wolverine, Daredevil, Kraven The Hunter, Bullseyes and Moon Knight at h2h. A severaly sleep deprived Punisher has taken full force class 10 shots from Spiderman (bloodlusted) and taken on Daken with a broken leg.
Wait Angel > Spiderman Angel > Daken?
Punisher has managed to sneak up on Wolverine in the jungle but somehow Punisher the master of catching out opponents is going to get beaten by Angel...pppppplease. Hell hes also managed to hide from Dr Doom who was hunting him, so no in a game of cat and mouse Angel loses because its Punishers forte.
Originally posted by Deadline
Punisher has been capable of stunning Wolverine.
Wolverines HF > Angels.So wait Angel is better than Wolverine, Daredevil, Kraven The Hunter, Bullseyes and Moon Knight at h2h. A severaly sleep deprived Punisher has taken full force class 10 shots from Spiderman (bloodlusted) and taken on Daken with a broken leg.
Wait Angel > Spiderman Angel > Daken?
Punisher has managed to sneak up on Wolverine in the jungle but somehow Punisher the master of catching out opponents is going to get beaten by Angel...pppppplease. Hell hes also managed to hide from Dr Doom who was hunting him, so no in a game of cat and mouse Angel loses because its Punishers forte.
You are familiar with PIS, CIS jobbing and character shields right? Punisher is a baseline human, him shrugging off class 10 punches means SM was either holding back a lot or the writer simply threw logic out the window to tell a story - PIS - If I'm not mistaken SM is > class 10 too.
I recall him stunning wolverine with a baseball bat to the nuts, comic relief + pis, wolverine walks grenade explosions off and pushes through far more pain on a regular basis. If there is another time he stunned logan with the kind of equipment he's been given here please show me.
Punisher must have also become the stealthiest man on the planet to do something a couple of people wearing tech that made them undetectable to all natural, magical, technological and psionic senses, couldn't do, let alone in the jungle - is that the story logan gets an arrow shot through his ear and it comes out the other side of his skull? prime example of bad writing if it is. I haven't read the doom event, what happened there? For this fight they start 6 meters apart and are in a closed environment, so he won't disappear in front of angel's eyes.
Not only do I recognize punisher's h2h skills, I gave him 6/10 in the no flight scenario against an opponent with a reach advantage (wingspan), superstrong wings that can oneshot a man and a hf. Although the more I think about it, the less I see angel losing it, because of his hf.
With flight, punisher cant touch angel, so I believe my assesment of the outcome of this fight in the first page is pretty accurate.