Originally posted by Parmaniac
(Punisher Annual 1 2009)
He says that to the Punisher.EDIT: Spider-man usually holds back against everyone except very powerful villains.
How dare you! Im the only one on here allowed to back up Punisher, thats my job. 😠
Actually im pissed I missed that. Yup that pretty much clinches it.
that isnt the 1st time punisher has bn verbally pawned and told he wasnt in the same league as the actual superhumans...
wolverine said he was a joke and nothing to what he fights regularly iirc..
daredevil has told him repeatedly when kicking his butt that he has gotten tired of punisher and he would do the world a favor if he was willing to kill him..
again they hold back against him and at times dont take him seriously which in turn makes it look like frank can legitimately compete with them which he cant.
Daken said it best about him catching a tiger by the tail... everyone in the comic world knows where frank stands against them.. no chance at all unless he has one sided prep.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
that isnt the 1st time punisher has verbally pawned and told he wasnt in the same league as the actual superhuman's...wolverine said he was a joke and nothing to what he fights iirc..
daredevil has told him repeatedly when kicking his butt that he has gotten tired of punisher and he would do the world a favor if he was willing to kill him..
again they hold back against him and at times dont take him seriously which in turn makes it look like frank can legitimately compete with them which he cant.
Daken said it best about him catching a tiger by the tail... everyone in the comic world knows where frank stands against them.. no chance at all unless he has one sided prep.
pretty much, yes
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
that isnt the 1st time punisher has verbally pawned and told he wasnt in the same league as the actual superhuman's...
The only problem is that you just ignored the fact that I already told you Punisher was holding back and he hadn't slept for weeks.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
wolverine said he was a joke and nothing to what he fights iirc..
So what? Wolverine would beat most street levelers in h2h because of his enhancements.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
daredevil has told him repeatedly when kicking his butt that he has gotten tired of punisher and he would do the world a favor if he was willing to kill him..
Except Punisher has done well in most of their fights if you bother to read them all and he also holds back.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
again they hold back against him and at times dont take him seriously which in turn makes it look like frank can legitimately compete with them which he cant.
Punisher hold back as well.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Daken said it best about him catching a tiger by the tail... everyone in the comic world knows where frank stands against them.. no chance at all unless he has one sided prep.
Everybody? What you mean people like you who dont read enough Punisherand consistently acts like he knows what hes talking about when he doesn't?
Again Punisher had a broken leg and was already wounded. Daken wasn't holding back and was furious.
Originally posted by Deadline
[b]Punisher vs. DakenPunisher is already wounded after fighting the Hoods men the previous night and has a broken leg.
Well its all downhill from here and you know what happens…. [/B]
Originally posted by 753
you logic is so fuzzy. so punisher was holding back? otherwise he wouldve beaten spider-man? do you recall what he looked like in that fight?
No my logic is fine your problem is you dont listen, here you go.
http://www.imagebam.com/image/7cadc250845560/
He also had to find a way of breaking his mindcontrol without killing him if you bothered to read it.m
I already told you he handt slept in weeks as well.
Punisher tore Daken apart while fighting him in the name of continuing his crusade. But Daken took chunks out of him as well.
And Frank only needed his teeth and a knife.
And still managed to escape to higher ground.
But Daken had a high level healing factor so he didn't care.
And still took major wounds.
Warren wouldn't be nowhere near as brutal on Frank.
Frank escaped Sentry!
And he would surely have counter measures all over the church just like he did in that factory.
That's how Ronins think!
Always have an escape route.
And Warren is a pretty passive combatant if remaining in his form.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Punisher tore Daken apart while fighting him in the name of continuing his crusade. But Daken took chunks out of him as well.
And Frank only needed his teeth and a knife.
And still managed to escape to higher ground.
But Daken had a high level healing factor so he didn't care.
And still took major wounds.Warren wouldn't be nowhere near as brutal on Frank.
Frank escaped Sentry!
And he would surely have counter measures all over the church just like he did in that factory.
That's how Ronins think!
Always have an escape route.
And Warren is a pretty passive combatant if remaining in his form.
daken is an underachiever who fought like a pussy, cowering in pain because his lip got bitten off? pfft
angel will be ruthless if he needs to be, he doesnt need to go for melee and flight is too much of an advantage.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Punisher tore Daken apart while fighting him in the name of continuing his crusade. But Daken took chunks out of him as well.
And Frank only needed his teeth and a knife.
And still managed to escape to higher ground.
But Daken had a high level healing factor so he didn't care.
And still took major wounds.
Thats not entirely true he did have a laser gun and used an explosive at some point but this was the state he was in before the fight.
Originally posted by DeadlineEverbody knows that Punisher fought Daken and lost, but this was the condition he was in before they fought. He had bleeding bandaged wounds and had a broken leg.
Originally posted by 753
daken is an underachiever who fought like a pussy, cowering in pain because his lip got bitten off? pfft
Now you're trolling. People dont behave the way you wnat them to so they're ****** now.
This pretty much sums up your argument:
Any good showings of Punisher = PIS or character holding back.
No he isnt hes beaten Wolverine and held his own against Cyber etc.
Originally posted by Deadline
Thats not entirely true he did have a laser gun and used an explosive at some point but this was the state he was in before the fight.Now you're trolling. People dont behave the way you wnat them to so they're ****** now.
This pretty much sums up your argument:
Any good showings of Punisher = PIS or character holding back.
No he isnt hes beaten Wolverine and held his own against Cyber etc.
not really, surviving and planting that bomb were good showings for the punisher that are just his thing: excelent improvisation and toughness. daken getting stunned because of a minor wound when he has a healing factor like that is him being a pussy, he was shocked by the attack, he tanked gunfire in the same fight
Originally posted by 753
not really, surviving and planting that bomb were good showings for the punisher that are just his thing: excelent improvisation and toughness.
Yes but lets ignore the h2h right. The broken leg and the wounds.
Originally posted by 753
daken getting stunned because of a minor wound when he has a healing factor like that is him being a pussy, he was shocked by the attack, he tanked gunfire in the same fight
You are nitpicking and making excuses. Im pretty sure Daken has been stunned by punches as well....oh I guess thats all bad writing. Just ebcauswe you can take one sort of damage doesnt mean you cant get affcet by the another. WW can take class 100 punches but still be killed by bullets.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
He gets no prep.
Fair enough.....sooo out of character so it's a chance encounter.
He was in terrible shape when he took on Daken and HAMMER. And still managed a brief getaway. He was just severely outnumbered.
Don't get me wrong Angel should be able to overwhelm any man with peak human attributes with such a limited arsenal but Frank will go for the jugular to get out of getting caught.
This is starting to feel like spite for Frank. An enclosed building maybe two doors. No sewer access. Just a knife and crowbar. The whole two scenario situation is useless because Frank is hitting those pews and waiting and crawling around until Warren takes this upclose and Frank is gonna be a wild animal in a tight spot when the fight starts.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yes but lets ignore the h2h right. The broken leg and the wounds.You are nitpicking and making excuses. Im pretty sure Daken has been stunned by punches as well....oh I guess thats all bad writing.
the toughness I mentioned covers just exactly that
puh-lease, he takes a bullet and walks it off, he gest his pretty face bitten and has to stop an attack an kill over? it's not even bad writing, it's in character behavior: daken is a pussy. do you really think that would have worked on his father in the same exact situation? dont recall a punch stunning him
Originally posted by 753
the toughness I mentioned covers just exactly thatpuh-lease, he takes a bullet and walks it off, he gest his pretty face bitten and has to stop an attack an kill over? it's not even bad writing, it's in character behavior: daken is a pussy. do you really think that would have worked on his father in the same exact situation? dont recall a punch stunning him
He was also arguably stunned after getting punched in the eye and was clearly in alot of pain after getting stabbed in the neck.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3569/punishervsdakenpart23.jpg
Again nothing is 100 percent consistent all you are doing is nitpicking and looking for excuses. He wasn't even stunned for that long Punisher quickly followed it up, you're exaggerating.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Fair enough.....sooo out of character so it's a chance encounter.
He was in terrible shape when he took on Daken and HAMMER. And still managed a brief getaway. He was just severely outnumbered.Don't get me wrong Angel should be able to overwhelm any man with peak human attributes with such a limited arsenal but Frank will go for the jugular to get out of getting caught.
This is starting to feel like spite for Frank. An enclosed building maybe two doors. No sewer access. Just a knife and crowbar. The whole two scenario situation is useless because Frank is hitting those pews and waiting and crawling around until Warren takes this upclose and Frank is gonna be a wild animal in a tight spot when the fight starts.
sigh...
Originally posted by Deadline
He was also arguably stunned after getting punched in the eye and was clearly in alot of pain after getting stabbed in the neck.http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3569/punishervsdakenpart23.jpg
Again nothing is 100 percent consistent all you are doing is nitpicking and looking for excuses.
those wounds are believebly stunning, and he handled them better than his split lip
Originally posted by 753
those wounds are believebly stunning, and he handled them better than his split lip
Um its not a split lip, he had a chunk of his lip bitten off.....that would be extremely painful and can arguably be more painful than being stabbed (depends). I think getting your lip bitten off is arguably more pianful than being punched in the eye.
