Which villain would be Batman worse Nightmare

Started by batdude12320 pages

Originally posted by Omega Vision
When have I ever professed a dislike for Batman? (Can't speak for Deadline here, mind you)

I just don't think he should be Slade's equal in h/h. A peer, yes, but not an equal and certainly not a superior.

I also don't think that if Batman one-punched Cheetah every week it would stop being PIS. Consistent PIS is still PIS.

I was talking directly to Deadline, actually (sorry for that, I just thought it was obvious). haermm

Anyway, do I think Batman can beat Deathstroke based on his showings? Yes, I do. That being said, I can also see Deathstroke beating Batman too.

And if it happens on a consistent basis, then it stops being PIS.

Originally posted by batdude123

And if it happens on a consistent basis, then it stops being PIS.

I guess that's where we break ranks.

Originally posted by batdude123
FFS... facepalm

I'm seeing a lot "I don't like Batman, therefore I'm just gonna discredit his feats" in this thread.

It isn't PIS if he performs those types of feats on a consistent basis. Not to mention, you have to understand that there's a suspension of disbelief in comics. It's because of such that I find these arguments hilarious.

Also, lol @ using the instance where Dick, Bruce, and Tim threw Deathstroke an ass beating as evidence for anything.

i freaking love batman, and there is no way I'm putting deathstroke above him.

I can see Batman besting Slade in terms of out prepping him, but in direct combat, I'm hard pressed to see Batman beating him for the majority. Slade's skills, which are inferior to Batman admittedly, are still nothing to sneer at. The guy served in the military and was considered to be one of the best soldiers in his platoon as well as trained in the art of assassination. Coupled with his enhancements, equipment, the intimate knowledge he has of the Wayne/Batman family, and everything else he brings to the table, he'd easily be one of the superior physical foils to Batman as well as a decent mental one. Would he be his worse nightmare? No, probably not, but he would be a foe that I can't see Bruce writing off as easily as he does some of his Arkham Asylum regulars.

I can respect that opinion.

loki as a girl,,,, he would hit that,,,,,, then she becomes a he... WORST Nightmare
. EVER

Freddy Krueger would ahah

Originally posted by batdude123
FFS... facepalm

I'm seeing a lot "I don't like Batman, therefore I'm just gonna discredit his feats" in this thread.

It isn't PIS if he performs those types of feats on a consistent basis. Not to mention, you have to understand that there's a suspension of disbelief in comics. It's because of such that I find these arguments hilarious.

Actually the rules state that even if something happens a lot its still PIS. Yes it still PIS but im too busy to explain right now. I'll try and post tommorrow.

Originally posted by batdude123

Also, lol @ using the instance where Dick, Bruce, and Tim threw Deathstroke an ass beating as evidence for anything.

..and its pretty much typical of you to miss the point. Its pretty obvious the reason why three of them ganged up on him was because hes such a tough opponent. Im willing to give DS the benefit of the doubt since hes beaten him before. The only other time Batman beat DS was because he wasn't paying attention to him and even then he gave Bats a hard time.

Originally posted by Deadline
Actually the rules state that even if something happens a lot its still PIS. Yes it still PIS but im too busy to explain right now. I'll try and post tommorrow.

Actually, nowhere in the rules does is state that if something happens "a lot," it's still PIS.

You can carry on with your ridiculous interpretations if you'd like, but I won't bother pressing this issue since it's obvious your assertions are incorrect.

Originally posted by Deadline
..and its pretty much typical of you to miss the point. Its pretty obvious the reason why three of them ganged up on him was because hes such a tough opponent. Im willing to give DS the benefit of the doubt since hes beaten him before. The only other time Batman beat DS was because he wasn't paying attention to him and even then he gave Bats a hard time.

Typical of me to miss the point? This coming from one of the biggest forum jokes on KMC. 😂

Looks to me like you either didn't understand the context of the moment, or you haven't read Infinity Crisis.

The earth's heroes were gathering to do whatever necessary in order to stop Luthor's forces and Superboy Prime. In the scuffles, you had Superman and E2 Superman gang up to defeat Bizarro, and then there was Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl who teamed up to defeat Cheetah. Could Superman have defeated Bizarro on his own? Could Wonder Woman have defeated Cheetah on her own? The answer to both questions is without a doubt, "yes." However, the context of the situation needed them to dispose of Luthor's forces as fast as possible. So with that being said, trying to use the instance where Deathstroke did absolutely nothing but get humiliated and beaten to a pulp as evidence of superiority is hilariously asinine. 🙂

Sabertooth would not be a nightmare: Creed would just catch Batman, and remove his head from his shoulders. Batman have no chance to win against him, so...

No, a real nemesis (and a fabulous one) would be Kingpin.

Batman's worst nightmare...deadpool.
He can't hurt him and he can't get him to shut up.

Originally posted by Deadline

..and its pretty much typical of you to miss the point.

You're so right.

I don't know where you find the patience to deal with him.

Originally posted by batdude123
Actually, nowhere in the rules does is state that if something happens "a lot," it's still PIS.

You can carry on with your ridiculous interpretations if you'd like, but I won't bother pressing this issue since it's obvious your assertions are incorrect.

PIS rules states that Flash stories lasting longer than three panels are examples of PIS. Thats alot of Flash stories.

Originally posted by batdude123

Typical of me to miss the point? This coming from one of the biggest forum jokes on KMC. 😂

Well if you say so that must make it true. Oh no it doesn't. Some people respect my opinion some don't.

Originally posted by batdude123

Looks to me like you either didn't understand the context of the moment, or you haven't read Infinity Crisis.

The earth's heroes were gathering to do whatever necessary in order to stop Luthor's forces and Superboy Prime. In the scuffles, you had Superman and E2 Superman gang up to defeat Bizarro, and then there was Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl who teamed up to defeat Cheetah. Could Superman have defeated Bizarro on his own? Could Wonder Woman have defeated Cheetah on her own? The answer to both questions is without a doubt, "yes." However, the context of the situation needed them to dispose of Luthor's forces as fast as possible. So with that being said, trying to use the instance where Deathstroke did absolutely nothing but get humiliated and beaten to a pulp as evidence of superiority is hilariously asinine. 🙂

Actually that changes nothing. Hes already beaten up Batman once already in fact technically hes actually beaten up Batman three times in all. Take a look at their second encounter (which you ignored). DS could have finished off Batman twice. Batman only wins because he jumps DS and DS is holding back. Batman also had to use the gun as an extra weapon because clearly his fists weren't enough to keep him down.

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The fact that had to take down Alex as soon as possible doesn't change anything because their history indicates that DS is a superior opponent. So it wasn't just the time factor but it was also because DS is better than Batman.

Re: Which villain would be Batman worse Nightmare

Originally posted by golem370
Alright I am not talk like Thanos or somebody even near that level somebody closer to Batman level of villians. Marvel Villains only who would give him the most trouble but make it interesting.

Villains
Deadpool
Doc Ock
Sabretooth
Venom
Puma
etc
etc


Doc Ock would be a huge treat because of his intelligence. There is no way he beats Venom unless he has prep and figures out his weakness. He would beat Sabretooth but it wouldn't be easy. Deadpool is just like Deathstroke and he beat Batman with on problem so Deadpool would be a big problem.

basically nightmare from marvel. he can see your greatest fears and expose it

Originally posted by Deadline
PIS rules states that Flash stories lasting longer than three panels are examples of PIS. Thats alot of Flash stories.

A lot of those instances are examples of CIS, rather than PIS, but I digress...

The problem I'm seeing here is that you're attaching human limitations on Batman when doing so is completely fallacious. Like I stated before, there's a suspension of disbelief when reading comic books. Batman is only a "human" in name only. You're letting your own connotations dictate what should be deemed PIS rather than objectively looking at a character's history as a whole in order to determine what's acceptable. We have to accept the fact that he can dodge bullets and take down superpowered foes because he does so on a consistent basis.

What Batman does as a "human" is no more unbelievable than solar radiation giving an alien the strength to move planets.

Originally posted by Deadline
Some people respect my opinion

Good one. 😂

Originally posted by Deadline
Actually that changes nothing. Hes already beaten up Batman once already in fact technically hes actually beaten up Batman three times in all. Take a look at their second encounter (which you ignored). DS could have finished off Batman twice. Batman only wins because he jumps DS and DS is holding back. Batman also had to use the gun as an extra weapon because clearly his fists weren't enough to keep him down.

I chose not include that encounter, considering it was a non-fight (and Batman ended up winning, anyway).

Regardless, you ended up proving my point for me, albeit in a backhanded manner. That example you used where Batman's fists "weren't enough to keep him down" is 13 years old. As I said before, he's accumulated a multitude of impressive feats that place him above that showing, primarily in terms of physical stats.

The more recent encounters with Deathstroke are examples of such. In one, he one-shot KO's Deathstroke with a kick, and in the other, as we've discussed, is the showing in Infinite Crisis. And although Nightwing and Robin were involved in the scuffle, as far as Batman's fists clearly not being enough to down Deathstroke, that wasn't the case at all. As far as I recall, Batman punched Deathstroke, then Robin kicked him from behind, and finally Batman put him to sleep with a final punch.

Originally posted by Deadline
The fact that had to take down Alex as soon as possible doesn't change anything because their history indicates that DS is a superior opponent. So it wasn't just the time factor but it was also because DS is better than Batman.

Are you kidding me? It changes EVERYTHING. First of all, it shows that you didn't understand the context behind the fight. Second of all, getting 3-shot KO'd in the span of a page is not an indication of anything.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, using this showing, especially when taken in context, as proof of Deathstroke being superior to Batman is utterly ridiculous. It's the equivalent of using the showing from the same comic of Superman and E2 Superman ganging up on Bizarro to prove his superiority over Superman.

If you want to maintain the notion of Deathstroke being superior to Batman, then that's fine, just don't use this encounter as an example of that, as it just doesn't back up that sentiment.

Romulus..[the dude wolverine wants to kill]
'I had your parents killed!'

Oh no its personal!

A couple who would be good

Wizard- http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/RapSheetMain/Character2.asp?UniqueId=308

Mad Thinker- http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/RapSheetMain/Character2.asp?UniqueId=169

Basilisk- http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/RapSheetMain/Character2.asp?UniqueId=648

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Cylla
Donald Pierce
Lady Deathstrike
Prettyboy
Skullbuster

Joker with the Carnage symbiot

Alfred with any symbiote