Which villain would be Batman worse Nightmare

Originally posted by batdude123
K, so you completely missed the point of my post.

I can't say I'm shocked.

I read it, and decided that the third paragraph is mostly bull. 😄

Batman has shown a greater use of prep, intellect, and resources only in the fact that it's more obvious when he does so. The nature of his job requires him to adopt to different threats. Besides, all of that boils down into its execution in a fight.

Deathstroke has some good examples of prep, but being an assassin is more straightforward than being a hero. He literally wears his resources and uses his intellect in fights more often than not.

Anyway, I see it being a good rivalry.

It would be a good rivalry. I'm not trying to deny that at all.

But with that being said (and as in the nature of this thread), it's going to take a lot more than a physical edge for somebody to be considered Batman's "worst nightmare." This is the same guy that was responsible for Tower of Babel and the Brother Eye/Omac scandal. Deathstroke is nothing Batman couldn't handle.

Originally posted by batdude123
It would be a good rivalry. I'm not trying to deny that at all.

But with that being said (and as in the nature of this thread), it's going to take a lot more than a physical edge for somebody to be considered Batman's "worst nightmare." This is the same guy that was responsible for Tower of Babel and the Brother Eye/Omac scandal. Deathstroke is nothing Batman couldn't handle.

Batman's plan for Flash was... 🤪

Brother Eye was made more dangerous because of Alexander Luthor Jr. I don't think the OMACs were originally part of Batman's plan.

I still endorse the non-Marvel Tao as Batman's worse nightmare.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Batman's plan for Flash was... 🤪

Brother Eye was made more dangerous because of Alexander Luthor Jr. I don't think the OMACs were originally part of Batman's plan.

I still endorse the non-Marvel Tao as Batman's worse nightmare.

Yeah, Flash's fail-safe was a little wacky, but he's been taken out by worse.

Granted, but it was based on Batman's own original designs. The original intent of Brother MK-1 is enough evidence to suggest that Bats is far above DS in terms of sheer resources, technology, and intellect.

Originally posted by batdude123
Doesn't compute.

Regardless, like I said, even if I grant Slade the physical edge (though they have comparable feats), it's going to take a lot more than that for somebody to be considered Batman's "worst nightmare." The guy takes down much more formidable threats on a consistent basis (as you've acknowledged).

Not to mention, even if Slade was part of Batman's rogue gallery, he wouldn't even be Batman's most dangerous foe.

I think if Deathstroke had Joker's personality, then he'd be Batman's worst nightmare.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What I meant by that is that in a prepless fight Slade will take it every time and in encounters where Batman has at least time to mentally prepare himself or has a heads-up (read: not an ambush or a "fancy meeting you here" situation) they'll likely stalemate or Slade will win.

I think if Deathstroke had Joker's personality, then he'd be Batman's worst nightmare.

I disagree. Most people base their opinions of Deathstroke's superiority on their encounter 20+ years ago. That was before Batman had his back broken, and before his retraining with Lady Shiva. Also, since then, Batman has accumulated a ridiculous amount of feats that could easily put him on par with Deathstroke in terms of physical stats. Skill-wise, it's a no-brainer. Not to mention, the durability of Batman's suit has increased over the years to the point where he can take class 100 hits and keep on rollin.

And imo, Batman's most formidable opponent is actually Ra's Al Ghul.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, Flash's fail-safe was a little wacky, but he's been taken out by worse.

Granted, but it was based on Batman's own original designs. The original intent of Brother MK-1 is enough evidence to suggest that Bats is far above DS in terms of sheer resources, technology, and intellect.

Agreed.

If Alfred went rogue...well, he could ruin Batman in every way!!!

Originally posted by batdude123
I disagree. Most people base their opinions of Deathstroke's superiority on their encounter 20+ years ago. That was before Batman had his back broken, and before his retraining with Lady Shiva. Also, since then, Batman has accumulated a ridiculous amount of feats that could easily put him on par with Deathstroke in terms of physical stats. Skill-wise, it's a no-brainer. Not to mention, the durability of Batman's suit has increased over the years to the point where he can take class 100 hits and keep on rollin.

And imo, Batman's most formidable opponent is actually Ra's Al Ghul.

Originally posted by batdude123
I disagree. Most people base their opinions of Deathstroke's superiority on their encounter 20+ years ago. That was before Batman had his back broken, and before his retraining with Lady Shiva. Also, since then, Batman has accumulated a ridiculous amount of feats that could easily put him on par with Deathstroke in terms of physical stats. Skill-wise, it's a no-brainer.

Batman has fought DS after hes retraining with Shiva and the fight still indicated that DS was superior (infinity crisis). Batman has more showings and sometimes batman has the feats just because hes the Batgod.

Originally posted by batdude123

Not to mention, the durability of Batman's suit has increased over the years to the point where he can take class 100 hits and keep on rollin.

No thats just PIS.

Originally posted by Deadline
Batman has fought DS after hes retraining with Shiva and the fight still indicated that DS was superior (infinity crisis). Batman has more showings and sometimes batman has the feats just because hes the Batgod.

No thats just PIS.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yeah Deathstroke took on Batman, Nightwing, and Robin at the same time and did alright in IF, IIRC. They beat him but the point is that he's more than a match for Bruce, Tim, or Dick individually.

Yeah and quite frankly the reason why Batman has better feats than DS isn't because hes better at h2h but its because people job to him. Usually when a character does something alot I tend not to call it PIS but with Batman you just know it ****ing is.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
From Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?:

So Alfred is actually Joker?? Im confused now.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yeah and quite frankly the reason why Batman has better feats than DS isn't because hes better at h2h but its because people job to him. Usually when a character does something alot I tend not to call it PIS but with Batman you just know it ****ing is.

Deathstroke has always been written as superhuman, sometimes barely above Peak but other times a Class 5 character. Also his speed is just way too much for Bruce to realistically counteract, he's shown to have Speedster level reflexes and superhuman senses (10x any normal human's).

Originally posted by Blair Wind
So Alfred is actually Joker?? Im confused now.

An Imaginary Story where Batman is actually just a cooky rich kid who dresses up as a Bat to fight criminals and in an effort to placate his desires to be a crime fighter Alfred becomes his nemesis just to humor him.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It was essentially a "What If?".

An Imaginary Story where Batman is actually just a cooky rich kid who dresses up as a Bat to fight criminals and in an effort to placate his desires to be a crime fighter Alfred becomes his nemesis just to humor him.

Honestly, isn't that what he is? I mean granted he is the smartest person on the planet... But still, he dresses up like a bat.

Originally posted by amnesia
Honestly, isn't that what he is? I mean granted he is the smartest person on the planet... But still, he dresses up like a bat.

The point that Gaiman made there was that even if Batman just thinks he's a crime fighter it doesn't change the fact that Batman believes in Justice and will never, ever give up.

FFS... facepalm

I'm seeing a lot "I don't like Batman, therefore I'm just gonna discredit his feats" in this thread.

It isn't PIS if he performs those types of feats on a consistent basis. Not to mention, you have to understand that there's a suspension of disbelief in comics. It's because of such that I find these arguments hilarious.

Also, lol @ using the instance where Dick, Bruce, and Tim threw Deathstroke an ass beating as evidence for anything.

Originally posted by batdude123
FFS... facepalm

I'm seeing a lot "I don't like Batman, therefore I'm just gonna discredit his feats" in this thread.

It isn't PIS if he performs those types of feats on a consistent basis. Not to mention, you have to understand that there's a suspension of disbelief in comics. It's because of such that I find these arguments hilarious.

Also, lol @ using the instance where Dick, Bruce, and Tim threw Deathstroke an ass beating as evidence for anything.

I just don't think he should be Slade's equal in h/h. A peer, yes, but not an equal and certainly not a superior.

I also don't think that if Batman one-punched Cheetah every week it would stop being PIS. Consistent PIS is still PIS.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I also don't think that if Batman one-punched Cheetah every week it would stop being PIS. Consistent PIS is still PIS.

Or rather it becomes 'in character' and this 'PIS' is assimilated into his powerset to the point where it isn't 'PIS' anymore..