I gotta say I don't think Sabertooth is a bad pick. An almost immortal killing machine who really doesn't fit to Batman's norms. I also do believe he can track Batman via scent and then could really mess him up.
As to who I think would be Batman's biggest nightmare. Dr. Doom hands down. He's just better than Batman at everything that makes Batman Batman. He's smarter, has far better gadgets, isn't timid in the power he goes after nor does he hold back.
This is the one guy Batman should never ever be able to beat no matter how hard he tries. Batman would always be steps behind Doom. Plus if Batman ever did mange to get close to Doom and take him on Doom would beat Batman in one vs one encounter.
Basically he would Batman's nightmare because he essentially is what Batman believes. That a lone normal man can rise up and make a difference. The problem Doom is a better Batman who takes Batman's own motto and twists it into something Batman wouldn't like. He makes everything Batman stands for and makes it wrong.
And no matter how hard Batman tries he should never be able to take Doom down without PIS.
Originally posted by Newjak
I gotta say I don't think Sabertooth is a bad pick. An almost immortal killing machine who really doesn't fit to Batman's norms. I also do believe he can track Batman via scent and then could really mess him up.As to who I think would be Batman's biggest nightmare. Dr. Doom hands down. He's just better than Batman at everything that makes Batman Batman. He's smarter, has far better gadgets, isn't timid in the power he goes after nor does he hold back.
This is the one guy Batman should never ever be able to beat no matter how hard he tries. Batman would always be steps behind Doom. Plus if Batman ever did mange to get close to Doom and take him on Doom would beat Batman in one vs one encounter.
Basically he would Batman's nightmare because he essentially is what Batman believes. That a lone normal man can rise up and make a difference. The problem Doom is a better Batman who takes Batman's own motto and twists it into something Batman wouldn't like. He makes everything Batman stands for and makes it wrong.
And no matter how hard Batman tries he should never be able to take Doom down without PIS.
Originally posted by Newjak
I gotta say I don't think Sabertooth is a bad pick. An almost immortal killing machine who really doesn't fit to Batman's norms. I also do believe he can track Batman via scent and then could really mess him up.As to who I think would be Batman's biggest nightmare. Dr. Doom hands down. He's just better than Batman at everything that makes Batman Batman. He's smarter, has far better gadgets, isn't timid in the power he goes after nor does he hold back.
This is the one guy Batman should never ever be able to beat no matter how hard he tries. Batman would always be steps behind Doom. Plus if Batman ever did mange to get close to Doom and take him on Doom would beat Batman in one vs one encounter.
Basically he would Batman's nightmare because he essentially is what Batman believes. That a lone normal man can rise up and make a difference. The problem Doom is a better Batman who takes Batman's own motto and twists it into something Batman wouldn't like. He makes everything Batman stands for and makes it wrong.
And no matter how hard Batman tries he should never be able to take Doom down without PIS.
Good point but Mister Sinister would also be a nightmare as would High Evo and Magneto
Originally posted by JakeTheBank😂
I see Batman taking down Dr. Doom a lot, then.😛
Originally posted by Omega VisionReed is also one of the few people in comics that can match Doom's raw intellect along with his gadgets.
I don't see why Batman wouldn't be able to at least pull one win without any PIS. Don't forget Doom is an arrogant often times myopic egomaniac who gets defeated by an absent minded professor like Reed (who cooks up last minute ploys that often only work due to some luck and helpful mistakes courtesy of Doom) so I can imagine him getting thwarted just as often if not more so by a grounded, shrewd, and let's face it: relentless crusader like Batman.
Still though in a straight up who is better. Doom wins hands down, and everyone Batman himself would know this. That is a nightmarish foe knowing that you're going up against someone just like you but is just plain better. They become that one person you just never want to see because flat out you know you're never going to get clear cut win or completely thwart them.
Doom is hands down that guy for Batman.
He's Batman ++
Originally posted by batdude123
A lot of those instances are examples of CIS, rather than PIS, but I digress...The problem I'm seeing here is that you're attaching human limitations on Batman when doing so is completely fallacious. Like I stated before, there's a suspension of disbelief when reading comic books. Batman is only a "human" in name only. You're letting your own connotations dictate what should be deemed PIS rather than objectively looking at a character's history as a whole in order to determine what's acceptable. We have to accept the fact that he can dodge bullets and take down superpowered foes because he does so on a consistent basis.
What Batman does as a "human" is no more unbelievable than solar radiation giving an alien the strength to move planets.
Good one. 😂
I chose not include that encounter, considering it was a non-fight (and Batman ended up winning, anyway).
Regardless, you ended up proving my point for me, albeit in a backhanded manner. That example you used where Batman's fists "weren't enough to keep him down" is 13 years old. As I said before, he's accumulated a multitude of impressive feats that place him above that showing, primarily in terms of physical stats.
The more recent encounters with Deathstroke are examples of such. In one, he one-shot KO's Deathstroke with a kick, and in the other, as we've discussed, is the showing in Infinite Crisis. And although Nightwing and Robin were involved in the scuffle, as far as Batman's fists clearly not being enough to down Deathstroke, that wasn't the case at all. As far as I recall, Batman punched Deathstroke, then Robin kicked him from behind, and finally Batman put him to sleep with a final punch.
Are you kidding me? It changes EVERYTHING. First of all, it shows that you didn't understand the context behind the fight. Second of all, getting 3-shot KO'd in the span of a page is not an indication of anything.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, using this showing, especially when taken [b]in context
, as proof of Deathstroke being superior to Batman is utterly ridiculous. It's the equivalent of using the showing from the same comic of Superman and E2 Superman ganging up on Bizarro to prove his superiority over Superman.If you want to maintain the notion of Deathstroke being superior to Batman, then that's fine, just don't use this encounter as an example of that, as it just doesn't back up that sentiment. [/B]
As I expected your a complete waste of time and I don't see why I should bother elaborating, but just to be sure please explain how the scans I posted can't be used as an example.