Originally posted by Ms.MarvelIt doesn't actually send them bodily into the sun, the way I understand it.
what difference does that make? its still an attack 😬
Thanks to Sin for posting the vid that proves it. :]
Edit: That video threatened my sanity. 😐 The everything was beyond horrible. Hate Bayonetta so hard.
Regarding Gorea and stealing life force, Gorea's is a soul taking ability because it leaves the body lifeless yet still in tact, unlike the metroid life steal in which the body turns to dust afterward. After you defeat Gorea the other hunters return to life and vacate the pocket dimension with haste. All evidence in game points to Gorea being able to steal souls rather than "life force" as described in the Metroid version of the ability.
Also the intangibility thing and dimensional fighting. If the dark troopers are in another dimension(they are) and Samus can see them, touch them, shoot them, and interact with them what's keeping her from doing the same with the keys in Dark Aether? Gameplay mechanics, the game would be pretty short otherwise.
Any beings intangible to others Samus has shown the ability to attack and destroy time and time again and unless Bayonetta is leaving both time and space with her intangibility then she will still be hit.
The thing that hits people "into the sun" is a summon. I'd need to do more research on it but I know that summons are outside help.
Also I looked it up and Lumen sages don't have anything that lets them travel at light speed, it's called light speed because they are Light and Umbran witches are Dark, the Umbran witches have Witch Time, and for Lumen witches it's called Light Speed. I see what you guys did there and most assuredly Dante's Quicksilver is the equivalent of this.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
No, that makes it the same as those pods that held the Sky Temple keys. Samus had to go to Dark Aether to even destroy those things. She's not hitting Bayonetta unless she hits her with objects in the environment or if the Sonic Boom can affect her.
Not really the same. Dark Visor can still see them. Hunter Ing phase out of local timespace and can still be hit. And why can objects hit Bayonetta, but not beams? Father Balder's satellite could hit her fine. Even so, a Missile would also do.
Bayonetta used witch time when she escaped the satellite laser. When has Balder used Witch Time? He's a Lumen Sage.
He stopped time and rendered Bayonetta completely helpless. Had he not been simply messing around, he could have killed her.
Yes it is
More of a lightning gun. Doesn't really matter.
Like what?
Like all of them, really. Only factor would be speed. Imperialist and Shock coil could do well, and potentially the Light Beam.
Bayonetta can still dodge before it's fired. Also Witch Time makes it slower.
How long does that last again? From what I've seen it's just a few seconds.
He has Quicksilver or Chronos Heart to keep up with her but he has no dimensional attack unless Pandora has one or Jackpot! can do that.
I believe it was Yamato that cut through dimensions. Regardless, swords are typically objects.
They mention spirits but nowhere is stated that he drains them. The lores do describe corpses appearing like their spirits have been sucked dry but that's proof enough that Gorea sucks souls.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/soul
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spirit
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/life+force?qsrc=2446&o=100074
All the same thing.
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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It doesn't actually send them bodily into the sun, the way I understand it.Thanks to Sin for posting the vid that proves it. :]
Edit: That video threatened my sanity. 😐 The everything was beyond horrible. Hate Bayonetta so hard.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's literally on the page before this one. You can see the physical body never moves.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It doesn't actually send them bodily into the sun, the way I understand it.Thanks to Sin for posting the vid that proves it. :]
Edit: That video threatened my sanity. 😐 The everything was beyond horrible. Hate Bayonetta so hard.
Jubileus's soul makes a planet explode if it impacts with it. I thought souls were intangible to the physical world. For all I know, that statue could've been a host body.
Originally posted by Cyner
Regarding Gorea and stealing life force, Gorea's is a soul taking ability because it leaves the body lifeless yet still in tact, unlike the metroid life steal in which the body turns to dust afterward. After you defeat Gorea the other hunters return to life and vacate the pocket dimension with haste. All evidence in game points to Gorea being able to steal souls rather than "life force" as described in the Metroid version of the ability.
Well in that case, it's soul stealing.
Also the intangibility thing and dimensional fighting. If the dark troopers are in another dimension(they are) and Samus can see them, touch them, shoot them, and interact with them what's keeping her from doing the same with the keys in Dark Aether? Gameplay mechanics, the game would be pretty short otherwise.
All the Dark Pirates do is phase out of time/space and reappear else where. They're not the same as the pods who are in a different dimension.
Any beings intangible to others Samus has shown the ability to attack and destroy time and time again and unless Bayonetta is leaving both time and space with her intangibility then she will still be hit.
Bayonetta is not the same as the Chozo Ghost, Dark Pirates, or the Phazon Metroids.
The thing that hits people "into the sun" is a summon. I'd need to do more research on it but I know that summons are outside help.
You can pretty much say the same with the Triforce and the Force. Bayonetta's summons aren't done the same way as the ones in Final Fantasy (at least not Madama Butterfly).
Also I looked it up and Lumen sages don't have anything that lets them travel at light speed, it's called light speed because they are Light and Umbran witches are Dark, the Umbran witches have Witch Time, and for Lumen witches it's called Light Speed. I see what you guys did there and most assuredly Dante's Quicksilver is the equivalent of this.
Decided to look it up again. You're actually right.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Not really the same. Dark Visor can still see them. Hunter Ing phase out of local timespace and can still be hit. And why can objects hit Bayonetta, but not beams? Father Balder's satellite could hit her fine. Even so, a Missile would also do.
Bayonetta wasn't in Purgatorio when she fought Balder. Seeing Bayonetta when intangible doesn't mean she can be touched.
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He stopped time and rendered Bayonetta completely helpless. Had he not been simply messing around, he could have killed her.
Oh I know what you're talking about. Balder needed her alive to resurrect Jubileus. He would've won if it wasn't for Jeanne.
Like all of them, really. Only factor would be speed. Imperialist and Shock coil could do well, and potentially the Light Beam.
None of them are going to work. They can't hit someone walking in another dimension.
How long does that last again? From what I've seen it's just a few seconds.
Random times. The most I've seen it is 5 minutes.
I believe it was Yamato that cut through dimensions. Regardless, swords are typically objects.
I usually ignore Dante having the Yamato since he gave it to Nero but I think this thread allows it. Ok, we have someone who can hurt Bayonetta now.
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One can assume that Jeanne had part in summoning Queen Sheba but there's two problems: Jeanne isn't seen after she frees Bayonetta from Jubileus and not before Bayonetta free falls. Plus there's no mention of Jeanne even helping out. So it most likely either Bayonetta can control people's hair or it was all her own.
Originally posted by BloodRain
So that knocked her spirit into the Sun? That scenes a bit messed up size wise too. First she's like 100m tall, then when she zooms by she's the size of the U.S then she's 1/10th the suns size :/
They had to shrink the planet sizes for gameplay purposes otherwise, the player would have a hard time keeping Jubileus away from the 9 planets.
I won't lie, Samus can hurt Bayonetta. Samus has too many varied weapons that could do things to her.
The problem is that Bayonetta is not only stronger, she's faster. Both wit factor into her being able to beat the competition without much help from Ryu (and people actually need to stop sleeping on him. Ryu is ridiculously powerful)
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Kralee
Anyway.
Samus' reaction time is supersonic, at the very least. Her weapons are ridiculously powerful, and she can outrange Bayonetta if need be.
Originally posted by Keollyn
I won't lie, Samus can hurt Bayonetta. Samus has too many varied weapons that could do things to her.The problem is that Bayonetta is not only stronger, she's faster. Both wit factor into her being able to beat the competition without much help from Ryu (and people actually need to stop sleeping on him. Ryu is ridiculously powerful)
The only thing that puts Bayonetta in the faster category is when she uses witch time, stronger in the strength department, possibly. Samus can hold open Ridley's mouth the same Ridley that tears apart Metroid level starships with his mouth.
I agree that Ryu is very powerful but a single stacked beam attack from Samus could kill him or Bayonetta in a single hit.
Originally posted by Cyner
The only thing that puts Bayonetta in the faster category is when she uses witch time, stronger in the strength department, possibly. Samus can hold open Ridley's mouth the same Ridley that tears apart Metroid level starships with his mouth.I agree that Ryu is very powerful but a single stacked beam attack from Samus could kill him or Bayonetta in a single hit.
I don't recall this, when has Ridley tore apart starships with his mouth (I'm seriously asking, I wouldn't mind putting that in my respect thread if that were true)
Originally posted by The Scenario
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/KraleeAnyway.
Samus' reaction time is supersonic, at the very least. Her weapons are ridiculously powerful, and she can outrange Bayonetta if need be.
Samus is a fair bit faster than just supersonic. Still, that's not really all that fast compared to Bayonetta. Even without using witch time, Bayonetta can dodge bullets from point blank range.
Originally posted by Keollyn
I won't lie, Samus can hurt Bayonetta. Samus has too many varied weapons that could do things to her.
The only weapon I see hurting Bayonetta is the Sonic Boom unless the Dark Beam can hurt across dimensions.
(and people actually need to stop sleeping on him. Ryu is ridiculously powerful)
Ryu is not in Dante's nor Samus's league.
Originally posted by The Scenario
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Kralee
And it reappears so that it can be killed. That's not the case with Bayonetta.
Anyway.Samus' reaction time is supersonic, at the very least. Her weapons are ridiculously powerful, and she can outrange Bayonetta if need be.
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Bayonetta has superior reaction time.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
The only weapon I see hurting Bayonetta is the Sonic Boom unless the Dark Beam can hurt across dimensions.
plus, of course, the Power, Light, and Annihilator Beams. And missiles.
And it reappears so that it can be killed. That's not the case with Bayonetta.
And Samus can shoot it before it reappears. Just like Bayonetta.
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Bayonetta has superior reaction time.
Whatever you say 😉
Originally posted by The Scenario
plus, of course, the Power, Light, and Annihilator Beams. And missiles.
They won't harm her as she would dodge them. Bayonetta rides on missiles.
And Samus can shoot it before it reappears. Just like Bayonetta.
Prove it.
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So you have backup. Great.
C'mon people. Bayonetta didn't come out that long ago, some of you should remember this shit.
1. Bayonetta can not just up and punch anyone into the sun. She needs to do some dance ritual that takes too long to be used in a fight.
2. She can't summon the thing without the help of Jeanne.
3. She needs to do the "Spirit Bleach Thing" to do it (I'll just call it going intangible.)
4. In order to get hit by that "Giant Weave Woman From Hell", her opponent has to go intangible too. Her Wicked Weave can not hit physical bodies. When Bayonetta is intangible, she can only interact with physical people through the use of inanimate objects.
5. Bayonetta is not invincible when she goes intangible. She can be hurt by inanimate objects, although sometimes in the game she can't. But that's clearly for gameplay purposes.
6. Kamiya said Dante and Bayo were equal already, like 3 times. Although, he once joked that Bayonetta would win because she can never lose to anyone.
So all this arguing can stop for the most part. Dante and Bayo kill each other or have super hot and sweaty monkey sex and Samus and Hayabusa are left to kill each other.