Originally posted by No End N Site
C'mon people. Bayonetta didn't come out that long ago, some of you should remember this shit.1. Bayonetta can not just up and punch anyone into the sun. She needs to do some dance ritual that takes too long to be used in a fight.
She still has super strength.
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2. She can't summon the thing without the help of Jeanne.
That's debatable but I can't say it's wrong.
3. She needs to do the "Spirit Bleach Thing" to do it (I'll just call it going intangible.)
She can summon without going intangible. I don't know where you got this idea from.
4. In order to get hit by that "Giant Weave Woman From Hell", her opponent has to go intangible too. Her Wicked Weave can not hit physical bodies. When Bayonetta is intangible, she can only interact with physical people through the use of inanimate objects.
Wrong again. She has to go intangible to harm the angels. She can't interact with physical people yet the angels can? Also, Cereza says hi.
5. Bayonetta is not invincible when she goes intangible. She can be hurt by inanimate objects, although sometimes in the game she can't. But that's clearly for gameplay purposes.
I can still say physical people aren't doing crap to her.
6. Kamiya said Dante and Bayo were equal already, like 3 times. Although, he once joked that Bayonetta would win because she can never lose to anyone.
Source and I'll believe that. Either way, Bayonetta has the better control of stop-time while Dante has instant regeneration.
So all this arguing can stop for the most part. Dante and Bayo kill each other or have super hot and sweaty monkey sex and Samus and Hayabusa are left to kill each other.
Ryu isn't taking down Samus.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
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Oh yeah, and Dante's a weakling...clearly.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
That's debatable but I can't say it's wrong.
...Right...so Bayo has white hair? You know she doesn't.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
She can summon without going intangible. I don't know where you got this idea from.
Either you forgot some facts about that game or your lying.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Wrong again. She has to go intangible to harm the angels. She can't interact with physical people yet the angels can? Also, Cereza says hi.
Lol, the angels are 'angels'. Bayonetta is a witch, they aint the same thing. Bayo can't do everything the Angels can do. Sages and Witches are still human. Funny how she can only shoot flowerpots and windows and her bullets go right through people. Also funny how when she had to protect Cereza, she had to go intangible because she could not hurt the attacking angels on Cereza's side. And the game clearly let you play from a human's point of view. Have you ever played this game before? I just did a few hours ago, just to make 100% sure what I said was right.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I can still say physical people aren't doing crap to her.
Unless they pick up a baseball bat or a light pole. You could wack her all day.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Source and I'll believe that. Either way, Bayonetta has the better control of stop-time while Dante has instant regeneration.
Tried lookin' for it before but I could never find it. If you don't wanna take my word for it then, whatever. Dante has QS so how is Bayo's time stop any better?
It's very clear that these 2 characters were intentionally made to be similar. Arguing for either side is kinda fanboyish/lame
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Ryu isn't taking down Samus.
Never said he was.
Originally posted by Sin_VolvagiaRyu is not in Dante's nor Samus's league.
I can understand Samus, but Dante?
The shit Ryu's been quelling is just as brutal as what Dante has been.
He's not on Samus' league mainly because Samus armor is just a monstrous tank--but neither is Dante. But I don't see Dante being superior to Ryu, least not the way you're making it out to be.
Originally posted by Cyner
The only thing that puts Bayonetta in the faster category is when she uses witch time, stronger in the strength department, possibly. Samus can hold open Ridley's mouth the same Ridley that tears apart Metroid level starships with his mouth.
Oh, and why no feat? Was this all a lie?
This makes me a sad panda 🙁
Originally posted by No End N Site
Oh yeah, and Dante's a weakling...clearly.
He struggled to keep Savior's fist away when it was "alive" and only threw his fist away when it "died".
...Right...so Bayo has white hair? You know she doesn't.
Well I didn't see Jeanne do any dance.
Either you forgot some facts about that game or your lying.
She uses her hair to summon demons. Nowhere does it say that they can be used only on intangible beings. If angels can touch humans, so can the demons.
Lol, the angels are 'angels'. Bayonetta is a witch, they aint the same thing. Bayo can't do everything the Angels can do. Sages and Witches are still human.
I never seen a human who can kick thrown buildings, slice thick tentacles with fingernails, transform into a panther, use own hair as clothing, outrun cars, hold a bus with one hand, be in the middle of a tornado with no problem, walk on walls, etc.
Funny how she can only shoot flowerpots and windows and her bullets go right through people.
All gameplay. You fail.
Also funny how when she had to protect Cereza, she had to go intangible because she could not hurt the attacking angels on Cereza's side.
She was still able to put a barrier on her. Plus, it's a no-brainer that she has to go into Purgatorio to harm angels.
And the game clearly let you play from a human's point of view. Have you ever played this game before? I just did a few hours ago, just to make 100% sure what I said was right.
Look up my PSN name, Sin_Raiden and you will know that I've played the game.
Unless they pick up a baseball bat or a light pole. You could wack her all day.
A baseball bat won't do. A streetlight would.
Tried lookin' for it before but I could never find it. If you don't wanna take my word for it then, whatever. Dante has QS so how is Bayo's time stop any better?
She can do it at anytime and can use it to stand/walk on water.
It's very clear that these 2 characters were intentionally made to be similar. Arguing for either side is kinda fanboyish/lame
Bayonetta has better magic but doesn't have instant regeneration.
Originally posted by Keollyn
I can understand Samus, but Dante?The shit Ryu's been quelling is just as brutal as what Dante has been.
He's not on Samus' league mainly because Samus armor is just a monstrous tank--but neither is Dante. But I don't see Dante being superior to Ryu, least not the way you're making it out to be.
Call me when Ryu gets stabbed through the chest or shot in the head and live.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Call me when Ryu gets stabbed through the chest or shot in the head and live.
Stabbed happens all the time, shot happens all the time, the Ninjas you fight throw explosive shurikens, he fights the greater fiends of Lightning, Storms, Fire, and Blood, who all have control of their "element" and use it against him.
After you fight the Archfiend the first time it shows Ryu bleeding which means he took a hit from the most powerful fiend in existence, and then of course the blood ends up bringing him back even more powerful than that. Should we believe that Ryu didn't take a single hit when the more powerful form emerged? In fact there is a point where you have to run on lava or swim in it if you get knocked in, to progress in the game(NG2). I think the only thing stopping Ryu from being Dante level is that he does not have a time slow ability, he does however throw miniature black holes as a ninpo attack, and that can ruin anyone's day.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Call me when Ryu gets stabbed through the chest or shot in the head and live.
A lot of characters don't have immortality/regen--does that make them less than Dante?
I sure know it doesn't for Bayonetta.
Originally posted by Cyner
The manga is really long and I'm really lazy, go look it up yourself.
So no feat then? Is that your final answer?
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
He struggled to keep Savior's fist away when it was "alive" and only threw his fist away when it "died".
What the hell?! Was stoppin' Saviors fist not an incredible feat of raw strength? It's not like he has magic like Bayo. The feats in Bayonetta were not that much better. And she has to cross over to do most of that shit.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Well I didn't see Jeanne do any dance.
Lol, tell me, what did you see Jeanne do around that time?
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
She uses her hair to summon demons. Nowhere does it say that they can be used only on intangible beings. If angels can touch humans, so can the demons.
You can't hit the Angels unless you cross over, its a 'Fact'. And she has to cross over to summon the demons. Can you show me where Bayonetta uses her weave and that Chesire guy or any other human can see it? Ceraza/Lil Bayo has "powers" so she clearly doesn't count.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I never seen a human who can kick thrown buildings, slice thick tentacles with fingernails, transform into a panther, use own hair as clothing, outrun cars, hold a bus with one hand, be in the middle of a tornado with no problem, walk on walls, etc.
00Bayo knows magic.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
All gameplay. You fail.
I didn't just fail, and for sayin' that, you phelld even harder. The game even tells you she can't hurt them because they're on the other side near the beginning of the game...You do drugs?
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
She was still able to put a barrier on her. Plus, it's a no-brainer that she has to go into Purgatorio to harm angels.
What's your point? Cuz my point is, she has to cross over to kill angels and use most of her powers.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Look up my PSN name, Sin_Raiden and you will know that I've played the game.
I trust you, now I just believe you got a phucked up memory.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
A baseball bat won't do. A streetlight would.
I don't even think a street light (that's the name) would do much damage. I just meant that they could touch her with it and that she would have to do the same for them.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
She can do it at anytime and can use it to stand/walk on water.
Bayo can't use her's anytime, she has to have enough magic power stored up and Dante needs to have enough demon power built up. So I don't see the need to make this imaginary space in between their abilities. And in "Super Mode" Dante's never runs out.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
GJ trying to bait a lazy guy.
hes right though... you really cant try to make a logical argument and then tell the opposition to go out and find evidence that supports it.
i mean, you can, but it doesnt make your argument credible. it would be like going through the motions of writing out a long argument against you about a character, and then ending my post with "none of my claims are actually true though". 😐
When in the hell did he "struggle" to keep Savior's fist up?
hes right though... you really cant try to make a logical argument and then tell the opposition to go out and find evidence that supports it.Nah. Whether or not Cyner chooses to post scans doesn't factor into whether his claims are true or not, only into how skeptics will percieve his argument.i mean, you can, but it doesnt make your argument credible. it would be like going through the motions of writing out a long argument against you about a character, and then ending my post with "none of my claims are actually true though".