Imperiex Prime and Fully Powered Tyrant Vs. Heralds, Gods and Dark Phoenix

Originally posted by Galan007
[Wasn't saying that Thor harmed a Celestial in that specific issue -- just that he has in general.

Ah, I see. Then it wasn't PIS. The SKyfathers had a low showing in Thor 300 is all.

Like I said, Odin's feats are better in terms of scope. However, he certainly isn't more powerful than a Celestial, overall.

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We know this how?

Unrelated question: Does anyone know if there are alternate versions of Celestials, or are all of their showings canon for them?

In Exiles or something two Celestials needed help bringing down Ego! Sad. There are What If versions of Celestials too. I don't believe those showings are canon.

Originally posted by zopzop
Ah, I see. Then it wasn't PIS. The SKyfathers had a low showing in Thor 300 is all.

Originally posted by zopzop
We know this how?

Originally posted by zopzop
In Exiles or something two Celestials needed help bringing down Ego! Sad. There are What If versions of Celestials too. I don't believe those showings are canon.

Originally posted by Galan007
iyo.

Yeah, I mean ALL characters have low showings.

Because even after having his powers augmented by the Destroyer, he was still absolutely nothing in comparison?

Uhm that was in the same issue! The skyfathers jobbed. Before that Odin was a confirmed galaxy buster, after that Odin is a confirmed multiverse shaker. Now what have the Celestials done since?

I'm curious if this has ever been confirmed.

The only being that's been said to exist in all universes simultaneously is the LT. There are like one or two exceptions but I've never heard the Celestials being one of those exceptions.

Speaking of alternate reality showings, here they are getting owned by Ego :

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In 616 reality Thor and BRB did better vs Ego!

Originally posted by zopzop
Uhm that was in the same issue! The skyfathers jobbed.

Originally posted by zopzop
Before that Odin was a confirmed galaxy buster, after that Odin is a confirmed multiverse shaker. Now what have the Celestials done since?

Let me guess, he was jobbing too, right? none

Originally posted by zopzop
Speaking of alternate reality showings, here they are getting owned by Ego :

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In 616 reality Thor and BRB did better vs Ego!

I mean, if we are going to start posting feats from alternate realities, then I could post scans of the Celestials defeating the Goblin Force (something not even Phoenix or Galactus could do.) I could also post scans of the Celestials stalemating Doom (with the power of SW Beyonder AND the infinity gems) for hundreds of years..

none

Why waste your time man.

Originally posted by zopzop
Before that Odin was a confirmed galaxy buster, after that Odin is a confirmed multiverse shaker. Now what have the Celestials done since?

And as for alternate versions of celestials, what about the what if where doom has the beyonders power and IG and it still took him like 500 years to beat them? Either Beyonders power and IG were downplayed or those versions of celestials are much stronger.

Originally posted by Galan007
[B]Their collective powers being rendered ineffective against a more powerful foe doesn't classify as jobbing. none

...And the 'galaxy buster/multiverse' shaker was absolutely nothing to the Celestials... Even with the Destroyer armor.

Let me guess, he was jobbing too, right? none

All that happened in ONE ISSUE 20+ years ago. ONE ISSUE. Since then his showings dwarf theirs. Look at what Thor did to them around 1989-1990.

The Skyfathers jobbed in Thor 300 in 1980 whoop dee doo.

Not sure why you posted these..?

I thought you were asking for alternate reality showings for Celestials. My bad. But it does put it all in perspective, two Celesials couldn't put down Ego but Thor/BRB owned him.

I mean, if we are going to start posting feats from alternate realities, then I could post scans of the Celestials defeating the Goblin Force (something not even Phoenix or Galactus could do.)

I mean it only devastated their entire race and all. Nice showing by the Goblin Force.

I could also post the Celestials stalemating Doom (with the power of SW Beyonder AND the infinity gems) for hundreds of years..

Too bad they couldn't do it in 616 reality vs the IG or the HotI. And Doom still wound up wiping them from that universe.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Can you quantify that for me?

And as for alternate versions of celestials, what about the what if where doom has the beyonders power and IG and it still took him like 500 years to beat them? Either Beyonders power and IG were downplayed or those versions of celestials are much stronger.

A) It was a What If and their race isn't know to exist in all realities in a multiverse like the LT, so there's no point discussing it

B) The IG had a low showing. It's not like it hasn't happened before. Surfer blew the Gauntlet off Rune's hands!

But unlike the Celestials, the IG can be excused because of all it's excellent showings.

Originally posted by zopzop
All that happened in ONE ISSUE 20+ years ago. ONE ISSUE. Since then his showings dwarf theirs. Look at what Thor did to them around 1989-1990.

The Skyfathers jobbed in Thor 300 in 1980 whoop dee doo.

I thought you were asking for alternate reality showings for Celestials. My bad. But it does put it all in perspective, two Celesials couldn't put down Ego but Thor/BRB owned him.

I mean it only devastated their entire race and all. Nice showing by the Goblin Force.

Too bad they couldn't do it in 616 reality vs the IG or the HotI. And Doom still wound up wiping them from that universe.

That will be all. 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop
A) It was a What If and their race isn't know to exist in all realities in a multiverse like the LT, so there's no point discussing it

B) The IG had a low showing. It's not like it hasn't happened before. Surfer blew the Gauntlet off Rune's hands!

But unlike the Celestials, the IG can be excused because of all it's excellent showings.

Originally posted by Galan007
So you pretty much try to downplay anything/everything that doesn't suit your argument? Nice... Now I see what Kurupt was saying.

That will be all. 🙂

Don't run away. You know damn well what I'm trying to get at.

The only time the Skyfathers were humiliated by the Celestials was in Thor 300 and that was published in 1980. At no other time do we see them interacting with the Skyfathers.

In that issue, Thor 300, it took them repeated attacks to put down Thor. A decade later, Thor is shown being able to puncture their outer shell and even their skulls which according to Thor are made of even sturdier material than their shell.

Odin was busting galaxies BEFORE that encounter (Thor 300), yet him with two other high end skyfathers could only produce enough power to knock a world from its' orbit?

Then AFTER that fight, Odin still has galaxy busting feats/foes and goes on to affect all reality in one of his conflicts.

The Celestials haven't been shown doing anything of that magnitude. EVER.

So what can we conclude? The Skyfathers jobbed in that ONE issue in 1980.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So can you quantify shaking the multiverse for me into a combat feat?

ON panel, you can even look it up in his respect thread, when Odin fought Seth :

Galaxies were quaking, long dead stars throughout the universe were re-igniting, the multiverse was shaking, and not one but THREE separate characters stated that ALL REALITY was in danger of dying!

Originally posted by zopzop
ON panel, you can even look it up in his respect thread, when Odin fought Seth :

Galaxies were quaking, long dead stars throughout the universe were re-igniting, the multiverse was shaking, and not one but THREE separate characters stated that ALL REALITY was in danger of dying!

Originally posted by Black bolt z
OK. Care to quantify that into a combat feat for me?

How? The effects I mentioned where an indirect response to Odin and Seth throwing down. It's not like they were doing it on purpose.

They were operating on such a level and outputing so much power that the entire multiverse was affected and all reality was in danger of being destroyed.

Originally posted by zopzop
How? The effects I mentioned where an [b]indirect response to Odin and Seth throwing down. It's not like they were doing it on purpose.

They were operating on such a level and outputing so much power that the entire multiverse was affected and all reality was in danger of being destroyed. [/B]

Originally posted by Black bolt z
OK. Care to quantify that into a combat feat for me?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
OK. Care to quantify that into a combat feat for me?

How? The very fact that they were producing so much power as a result of their conflict that all reality was in danger speaks for itself. It's all right there on panel. So you can play dumb all you want.

For comparisons sake :

Surtur destroyed an entire galaxy to forge his sword. The ENTIRE cosmic pantheon couldn't produce that kind of power output when they fought Thanos with the IG (they only managed to slag the immediate solar system and "many" nearby ones). The Celestials only managed to hurl a few worlds at Thanos.

The IG war was contained to universe 616. Seth and Odin fighting shook the multiverse and threatened all reality.

Don't like? Call Marvel and beg for a retcon.

Originally posted by zopzop
How? The very fact that they were producing so much power as a result of their conflict that all reality was in danger speaks for itself. It's all right there on panel. So you can play dumb all you want.

For comparisons sake :

Surtur destroyed an entire galaxy to forge his sword. The ENTIRE cosmic pantheon couldn't produce that kind of power output when they fought Thanos with the IG (they only managed to slag the immediate solar system and "many" nearby ones). The Celestials only managed to hurl a few worlds at Thanos.

The IG war was contained to universe 616. Seth and Odin fighting shook the multiverse and threatened all reality.

Don't like? Call Marvel and beg for a retcon.

Ok by that logic spiderman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thor

You don't use collateral damage as an argument. You don't use shaking, you don't use re-igniting, you don't use threatening.

That all means Jack shit. COMBAT FEATS are what matter. Because there is no way to quantify all that other shit.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So your using....collateral damage as proof that Odin is that powerful?

Ok by that logic spiderman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thor

You don't use collateral damage as an argument. You don't use shaking, you don't use re-igniting, you don't use threatening.

That all means Jack shit. COMBAT FEATS are what matter. Because there is no way to quantify all that other shit.

ON PANEL Odin is a galaxy buster, do you deny that? On panel no Celestial has destroyed a galaxy let alone shook the multiverse, do you deny that?

The Skyfathers jobbed in ONE issue of Thor 30 YEARS AGO! Before and since then Odin has greater displays of power than any Celestial, do you deny that?

How can you hold ONE example THIRTY YEARS ago against Odin I'll never understand. It's like picking a low showing of Superman and basing your whole arguments about his power level relative to another character based on that. It's dishonest and sad.

PS Spiderman >>>>>>Thor based on what?

Originally posted by zopzop
ON PANEL Odin is a galaxy buster, do you deny that? On panel no Celestial has destroyed a galaxy let alone shook the multiverse, do you deny that?

The Skyfathers jobbed in ONE issue of Thor 30 YEARS AGO! Before and since then Odin has greater displays of power than any Celestial, do you deny that?

How can you hold ONE example THIRTY YEARS ago against Odin I'll never understand. It's like picking a low showing of Superman and basing your whole arguments about his power level relative to another character based on that. It's dishonest and sad.

PS Spiderman >>>>>>Thor based on what?

For example: We know on panel Odin stomped thanos in a combat fight. That can be quantified. Busting a galaxy, shaking the multiverse, re-igniting dead stars can not.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Two things
1: I never brought up a feat from 30 years ago as I don't even know what feat that is.
2: It doesn't matter if celestials have never busted a galaxy. What matters is COMBAT feats. One character against another. Not collateral damage.

For example: We know on panel Odin stomped thanos in a combat fight. That can be quantified. Busting a galaxy, shaking the multiverse, re-igniting dead stars can not.

Those are displays of POWER OUTPUT. If Odin busts galaxies and his fights shake the multiverse and threaten all reality with destruction, it says a lot of about his personal power.

Many abstracts havent' been shown as capable of doing half the things Odin has.

Surtur by himself caused more collateral damage forging his sword than the combined might of Galactus/Eon/Stranger/Two Celestials/Kronos/Mistress Love/Sire Hate/Lord Order/Master Chaos simultaneously blasting Thanos!

There's nothing to debate because it's shown on panel.

I get what you are saying about combat feats but displays of power output also play a big role in determining how powerful a character is.

By your standards, Spider man > Firelord because Spider man pummeled him into unconsciousness. Never mind the fact that Firelord was capable of incinerating all of Manhattan. Spider man's "COMBAT FEAT" win over Firelord means Spiderman is more powerful than Firelord?