Originally posted by Lestov16
Again, that's only because Dutch didn't need to fight anybody. Dutch isn't just "a soldier", he's the head of the best American special ops team on the planet. Utterly ridiculous to think that someone so elite can't handle themself in a fight.
I'm sure he could, but the question is how good is he? Because we've seen what Rambo can do, we don't know what Dutch can do. Their other stats and abilities are too equal so it all comes down to this.
Originally posted by Lestov16
So in that case, the conclusion is a stalemate, or an unanswerable, since we do not have enough information to determine the winner. you can't say Dutch outright loses purely because he didn't need to showcase his H2H.
Yes, that's why I lean towards Rambo, because his skills are known quantity. It's the safer bet.
Again, it's unanswerable. The only reason Rambo has "better" feats is because Dutch has no feats in H2H, and that is only because he didn't find any circumstances in which H2H was necessary. It's impossible to compare H2H skills when one being compared has none. Thus the debate is UNANSWERABLE. End of story.
Originally posted by Lestov16
That's utterly retarded. Rambo doesn't have better feats. He's just the only one who has feats. The other side doesn't because it wasn't necessary in the film, and thus the debate is [b]unanswerable. [/B]
No it's not, the answer is that Rambo has better hth feats thus he is more skilled.
Originally posted by Lestov16
That's utterly retarded. Rambo doesn't have better feats. He's just the only one who has feats. The other side doesn't because it wasn't necessary in the film, and thus the debate is [b]unanswerable. [/B]
Most of the scenarios in the MvF are somewhat unanswerable. The most we can do is make some educated guesses.
As for Dutch having no h2h feat, he does have one, his fight with the pred. And while I'm not saying he should have won against the pred in h2h (and I also think Rambo would have lost in pure h2h against the pred), at least we should have seen some hint of Dutch's h2h skills in that fight. Maybe in his fighting stance, in his movements, in the way he delivered his blows... but there was nothing. Nothing to indicate his supposedly good skill in h2h.
With Rambo, even if we're to assume that he didn't have quality opponents, at least we can see that he's skilled enough to know how to evade blows, deliver proper hook punches, heck he even did a flying spinning heel kick. He's not some kind of martial arts master or whatever, but at least you get to see some of that h2h skill.
Now if you want to bet on a dog race, who do you bet on: The bigger dog who's muscular and supposed to be fast even if you've never seen him race before? or the dog who's actually won every race he's been in to?
Originally posted by Lestov16
No, he doesn't. You can't have "better" feats when the other person hasn't come under the circumstance to display any. Refer to my dog race example above.
You're basically arguing that we should grant Dutch equal HTH skill because "He's Dutch". That's not how the board works....we go by feats and since Rambo has the feats and Dutch doesn't...Rambo gets the nod.
actually... this was ur claim
Originally posted by Silent Master
Well, we know Rambo is oevrall better trained, but you're right about us not knowing if he had better HTH training.
you tried to say ur claim was this but that is false
Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, my only claim was that Dutch was never shown to be able to drive a tank or fly a helicopter, which is backed up by the movie where he isn't shown to do either. IOW, I've backed up my claim.Now back to the real topic, Dutch's lack of shown HTH skill.
So... I ask again... Prove we "know" Rambo is overall better trained. What's funny though, is how u say we dont know about Rambo's h2h training... Odd... because you don't know about any of his or Dutch's training.. not just h2h training. You pretty much know very little if at all about either's training. So.... I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that Rambo is overall trained better.
Originally posted by Psychotron
It doesn't work that way. We've seen Rambo do those things, we haven't Dutch do them. These skills aren't something just everyone knows. This isn't like having sex, or taking a piss, or whatever. Operating these machines takes a lot of training, and we can't just assume Dutch can do these things, because he's a badass.
Exactly.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So??? Dutch wasn't shown taking a piss either.. does that mean he doesn't have the ability? As I explained to you before.. absence of proof isn't proof.. So I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim or concede you don't know that Rambo is in fact overall better trained.
Taking a piss is something everyone can do, flying a chopper is not something everyone can do.
If I were to use your logic, then I can simply say "I can fly" and you'd have to believe me because you can't prove that I can't.
That's silly logic. You claim a person can do something that's above the norm for the average person, you'd better have some way to prove it.