Lugia vs. Ho-Oh

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Lugia vs. Ho-Oh

It's the guardian of the seas versus the guardian of the skies. Lugia and Ho-Oh are for some reason, not liking eachother and are in a battle.

Which of these Pokemon would win?

Grats on pitting two of the best walls in pokemon against each other. 😐 Endless stall war.

Lugia. Water over Fire, and Lugia is much better at taking attacks than Ho-Oh. We haven't even seen much of Ho-Oh.

Don't get me wrong, Ho-Oh is still way cooler.

A Lugia already defeated Ho-oh in the manga 😐

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Lugia. Water over Fire, and Lugia is much better at taking attacks than Ho-Oh. We haven't even seen much of Ho-Oh.

Don't get me wrong, Ho-Oh is still way cooler.

To be fair, Lugia is technicly psychic/flying.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
A Lugia already defeated Ho-oh in the manga 😐

Pics or it didn't happen.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Pics or it didn't happen.

GSC chapter - Volume 14: The Last Battle.

It's somewhere before Red and the gang battle The Mask of Ice.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Grats on pitting two of the best walls in pokemon against each other. 😐 Endless stall war.

MEh, Ho-Oh does have a pretty good attack stat though.
Still Lugia wins with via spamming Waterfall.

Edit: Asbestos is the manga worth reading?

Yes.
Much, much better than watching the anime.

Pokemon and people actually die in the manga, something I've not seen in the anime since the first movie.

Lugia. Aeroblast and Zen headbutt stab and Aqua tail x2

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Yes.
Much, much better than watching the anime.

Pokemon and people actually die in the manga, something I've not seen in the anime since the first movie.


Know anyplace where I can donwload it.

Lugia learns various water attacks that>Ho-Oh, so Lugia. But then, HG>>>SS.

Water Attacks, superior defense, Ho-oh has double weakness to rock?

SPITE!

Does Ho-oh really lose that badly? I mean doesn't Ho-oh have Sacred Fire to counter its attacks or something? Maybe Mewtwo would have been a better opponent...I don't know.

P.S: Do they really have a Pokemon manga with mortal characters?

Sacred Fire isnt going to help too much. Lugia has Aeroblast, psycho boost/zen headbutt and hydro pump/aqua tail. Shouldn't be that hard.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Grats on pitting two of the best walls in pokemon against each other. 😐 Endless stall war.

Especially if they go back and forth between Rain Dance and Sunny Day, in which case, the result could go either way.

Originally posted by ares834
MEh, Ho-Oh does have a pretty good attack stat though.
Still Lugia wins with via spamming Waterfall.

Lugia's base special attack = 90
Ho-oh's base special defense = 154

Waterfall alone ain't gonna beat it.

Originally posted by Heythere,Honey
Lugia learns various water attacks that>Ho-Oh, so Lugia.

Good thing Ho-oh's got Roost and Recover then.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Lugia. Aeroblast and Zen headbutt stab and Aqua tail x2

Don't know about Aqua Tail, but Sacred Fire will deal more damage to Lugia than Zen Headbutt and Aeroblast will to Ho-oh (the latter of which isn't even effective against the phoenix type-wise), especially with SF being physical now instead of special, making it stronger.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Water Attacks, superior defense, Ho-oh has double weakness to rock?

SPITE!


Ain't that much spite. The only rock attack Lugia learns anyway is Ancient Power, which is special now instead of physical, giving Ho-oh a considerably better chance to survive it, especially with Calm Mind and such.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Sacred Fire isnt going to help too much.

If the move causes a burn it probably will, which it's got a 50% chance of doing so unlike other fire attacks. Then Ho-oh can proceed to do more damage with Thunder/Thunderbolt, Overheat, or something.

And Lugia's no Deoxys, so Psycho Boost won't KO Ho-oh.

Also, Ho-oh resurrected three dead Pokemon in a burnt tower and in doing so, created Raikou, Entei, and Suicune. Lugia hasn't displayed such mystical powaz. At least not on that level.

Overall damage wise Aqua tail and a Crit Aeroblast > Sacred fire. And as Lugia is mentioned to have control of the weather ie keep rain dance on, hydro pump and aqua tail do more damage. (especially aqua tail now) Lugias speed will allow it to get the first/more hits in and evade.

Yeah Ho-oh has the healing powers but Lugia has the destructive ones. A flutter of his wings can blow apart houses, strong flap can make a 40 day storm.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Overall damage wise Aqua tail and a Crit Aeroblast > Sacred fire.

Even with a critical hit, Aeroblast still isn't very effective against Ho-oh, and not like Sacred Fire is the only decent move its got against Lugia. Although Lugia has a good chance of winning here, it's not guaranteed either, and can still go either way depending on the circumstances. I've beaten plenty of Lugias with a Ho-oh before.

Originally posted by BloodRain
And as Lugia is mentioned to have control of the weather ie keep rain dance on, hydro pump and aqua tail do more damage. (especially aqua tail now)

Easily countered by Sunny Day.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Lugias speed will allow it to get the first/more hits in and evade.

This is true, although a Ho-oh holding Choice Scarf, Salac Berry, Quick Claw, or some other held item of the sort can fix that problem easily enough.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yeah Ho-oh has the healing powers but Lugia has the destructive ones. A flutter of his wings can blow apart houses, strong flap can make a 40 day storm.

Ho-oh's powaz go beyond just healing, as he transformed three deceased Pokemon into elemental legendary beasts that race casually across the land. Raikou shoots bolts of lightning from the rain clouds on its back, Entei shoots flames hotter than volcanic magma & can make a volcano erupt on the other side of the world when it roars, and Suicune purifies water & can walk across it, along with having a variety of wind powers; and Ho-oh created all three of them.

Ho-oh's creation of the three beasts > blowing apart houses and causing 40-day storms

Ho-oh also has much greater control of his powers. Lugia isolates itself deep underwater to hibernate because he has such trouble controlling his.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Even with a critical hit, Aeroblast still isn't very effective against Ho-oh, and not like Sacred Fire is the only decent move its got against Lugia. Although Lugia has a good chance of winning here, it's not guaranteed either, and can still go either way depending on the circumstances. I've beaten plenty of Lugias with a Ho-oh before.

By a quick calc -(atkxmove/def)xstab-weakness/resistance- Sacred fire is 150, Crit Aeroblast is 175, Aqua tail 180 [270 with rain dance]
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Easily countered by Sunny Day.

This is true, although a Ho-oh holding Choice Scarf, Salac Berry, Quick Claw, or some other held item of the sort can fix that problem easily enough.


Lugia can control the weather not just cast rain dance/sunny day.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Ho-oh's powaz go beyond just healing, as he transformed three deceased Pokemon into elemental legendary beasts that race casually across the land. Raikou shoots bolts of lightning from the rain clouds on its back, Entei shoots flames hotter than volcanic magma & can make a volcano erupt on the other side of the world when it roars, and Suicune purifies water & can walk across it, along with having a variety of wind powers; and Ho-oh created all three of them.

Ho-oh's creation of the three beasts > blowing apart houses and causing 40-day storms

Ho-oh also has much greater control of his powers. Lugia isolates itself deep underwater to hibernate because he has such trouble controlling his.

Reincarnate the beasts to stronger forms, and giving life < destruction in a fight.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime

Lugia's base special attack = 90
Ho-oh's base special defense = 154

Waterfall alone ain't gonna beat it.


Waterfall is physical and Ho-OH's defense is 90... Ancient Power can also be used.