Nidoking vs Tyranitar

Horn drill ain't gonna happen. He isn't fast enough to outmanuever a stationary Tyranitar, who only has to turn in place to keep him in sight. Very easy to do.

If Nido comes in at a straight line, he's screwed. He's only slightly faster and nowhere near fast enough that Tyranitar wouldn't be able to react in time. Slap him with his arms before horn drill ever gets close enough = victory for Tyranitar.

Any other matter of strategy, I have no idea. But when talking pure physical attributes, Nidoking has little to offer and would lose a vast majority.

coming in a straight line would b stupid if your faster than your foe. nido could run up on ty, dodge ty's arm swings, get behind ty & dodge his tail swing & when ty turns around nido impales ty with his horn or uses Brick Break. btw turning in place sounds easy, if u dont weigh 400+ pounds. either that attack plan, or just fight from a distance with ty's weaknesses while nido uses his superior speed to dodge attacks.

Nidoking isnt that fast to dodge and manoeuvre around Tyranitar like that.

Originally posted by yung_link
coming in a straight line would b stupid if your faster than your foe. nido could run up on ty, dodge ty's arm swings, get behind ty & dodge his tail swing & when ty turns around nido impales ty with his horn or uses Brick Break. btw turning in place sounds easy, if u dont weigh 400+ pounds. either that attack plan, or just fight from a distance with ty's weaknesses while nido uses his superior speed to dodge attacks.

Nidoking isn't doing any of that shit. He's not dodging crap. He can't maneuver faster than Tyranitar can simply swing his arms. And Tyranitar can turn in place just fine. Despite the fact that he weighs over 3 times as much as Nidoking, he's still only slightly slower.

A close quarter effort is just about fruitless.

his smaller size & weight could allow him 2 do that, if it wont then y dont u describe how the battle would go? 1/4 faster speed can make all the difference in a fight, especially if your opponent is heavy. it can mean the difference between running circles around your foe & barely keeping up.

If Ttar moved at 60mph then yeah King would be moving 75 and out move him. But, Ttar would move at 4m/s. Kings about 5m/s so no it doesnt make much of a difference.

Nido isn't that much faster... If Nido tries to attack the Tyranitar can just outrange him. Plus Tyanitar has hyper beam allowing him to pick off Nido from a distance.

No. His 'smaller size & weight' will not allow him to do that because he's only slightly faster to begin with. Your statement here is not making sense either: '1/4 faster speed can make all the difference in a fight, especially if your opponent is heavy.'

No. It would not make a difference because weight is already accounted for! You are trying to somehow count it twice. Tyranitar already moves at a specific speed level at his given weight. And at his given weight Nidoking is only BARELY faster at all. The fact that Tyranitar despite his immense size advantage is not outclassed in the speed realm by any means spells trouble for King.

If they were the same size and Nido was still 1/4 faster, then that would make a difference as reach and distance would no longer be as big of a factor. As it is however, Tyranitar's giant size + comparable speed means he'll have an even easier time keeping Nidoking in his line of sight because it means Nidoking would have to cover a greater distance just to get around to Tyranitar's back.

Let's get a visual of their relative sizes towards each other, because its something we've been lacking. This is what a 1.4 meter Nidoking looks like next to a 2 meter Tyranitar.

See? This is something that should make Tyranitar even more respectable, its close in speed to something that it outweighs by over 3 fold, that means in relative terms at least, its build makes it more agile than nidoking.

being even 1% faster than your foe makes u a threat! one Brick Break will kill ty, if nido cant get in close then he just uses earth power or avalanche, i mean ty's 2 slow to dodge it! think of it this way, if u r going full speed(100%) & another person can keep up with u without going full speed then who's gonna win? o i forgot, the person going faster than u can pierce diamonds, has weapons that your car cant handle, & they can destroy u in one-hit. of course this isnt a race, but u get my drift(no pun intended)

No not at all. There's more to fights than simply straight line speed.

A tiger is probably about the same % faster than a brown bear of equal size or bigger, but they don't fare too well in a face to face fight because of the latter's greater strength, stamina, and durability in accounts I've read in the past where they meet in the wild.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No. His 'smaller size & weight' will not allow him to do that because he's only slightly faster to begin with. Your statement here is not making sense either: '1/4 faster speed can make all the difference in a fight, especially if your opponent is heavy.'

No. It would not make a difference because weight is already accounted for! You are trying to somehow count it twice. Tyranitar already moves at a specific speed level at his given weight. And at his given weight Nidoking is only BARELY faster at all. The fact that Tyranitar despite his immense size advantage is not outclassed in the speed realm by any means spells trouble for King.

If they were the same size and Nido was still 1/4 faster, then that would make a difference as reach and distance would no longer be as big of a factor. As it is however, Tyranitar's giant size + comparable speed means he'll have an even [b]easier time keeping Nidoking in his line of sight because it means Nidoking would have to cover a greater distance just to get around to Tyranitar's back.

Let's get a visual of their relative sizes towards each other, because its something we've been lacking. This is what a 1.4 meter Nidoking looks like next to a 2 meter Tyranitar.

See? This is something that should make Tyranitar even more respectable, its close in speed to something that it outweighs by over 3 fold, that means in relative terms at least, its build makes it more agile than nidoking. [/B]

see perfect height to stab right thru that diamond in the center of ty's torso. no modifications required(like bending over). actually his weight can b counted against him multiple times. speed only means running speed in the games but in real time there r far more factors to be counted, turning speed(which he lacks), dodging speed(which he lacks as well), & jumping speed(which he does not have, cuz most likely he cant jump). nido has more of each of these than ty along with weakness moves(which ty has few of), OHKO's(which ty has none off), & a constant deadly weapon; horn(ty has his hands, but can b easily outmaneuvered by nido cuz of his shortage, or lack of the factors listed above) lighter & small may sound worse but when u hav an arsenal of attacks, & increased speed(regardless of how much) u can easily gain the advantage in battle.

another thing, 2 cars both hav a max of 100mph. one is going 1mph, the other, 26mph. big difference right?

You are going outside of the games here with assumptions. Speed is a general term in the games as they cannot factor all of the other stuff in.

What we do know: Nidoking is only modestly faster than something that outweighs it by over 3 times. Safe to assume that Nidoking doesn't outclass it in reaction time, turn speed etc either.

Nidoking won't have to bend over much to hit Tyranitar with the horn, but then again going by that picture Tyranitar doesn't have to either. His swings will be level with Nido's head, and he still has a MASSIVE reach advantage. Nidoking stands very little chance of winning when factoring in a purely physical fight with no specials.

edit: Stop talking about shorter and faster as an advantage. Being only moderately faster than someone who outclasses you in every other physical category is a massive disadvantage in a fight. Far worse than being moderately faster than someone of equal size to you.

i can say its an advantage all i want as long as i can back it up(which i can). also decreased weight does increase the speed of those factors, what u think some1 big like ty can dodge & jump better than nido? plus i hav to go outside the games, this isnt a turn-based battle, otherwise nido would hav won several pages ago. btw did u read the post above yours? 1/4 greater speed is an easily notable difference, no matter what numbers u use 2 compare. also nido is 5 lvl's higher than ty so his speed should b @ least 1/3(an even more noticeable difference) faster at that lvl, cuz the stats we used were comparing them at the same lvl. if u dont like how i state logical possibilities, oh well...i cant help that...

Nidoking is also adept at using its tail as a weapon, which is a feat that Ty does not possess. Nidoking can bind up Ty's arms with its tail, making it immobile according to the pokedex.

"Nidoking swings its large tail about to create distance, then charges in with the full force of its body behind it." Ash's Pokedex

"Its steel-like hide adds to its powerful tackle. Its horns are so hard, they can pierce a diamond." Yellow Pokedex

"Its tail is thick and powerful. If it binds an enemy, it can snap the victim's spine quite easily." Silver dex

Tail bind<Horn Drill

To be honest Ty could probably catch that tail and toss Nidoking about 5 miles away.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
To be honest Ty could probably catch that tail and toss Nidoking about 5 miles away.

Where has Tyranitar ever displayed throwing power?

When you can flatten a mountain with one hand, what do you do with two?

"Nidoking swings its large tail about to create distance, then charges in with the full force of its body behind it." Ash's Pokedex

"Its steel-like hide adds to its powerful tackle. Its horns are so hard, they can pierce a diamond." Yellow Pokedex

"Its tail is thick and powerful. If it binds an enemy, it can snap the victim's spine quite easily." Silver dex

Tyranitar would damage his hand if he tried to slam Nidoking's harder-than-diamond-barbed body.

Not sure we qualify all those as horns. But yeah, a tail swing equals Onslaught meets Juggernaut.

And there's plenty of space on Nidoking to be smashed that doesn't have horns on it.