thoughts on your religion

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Wild Shadow Check it out...

http://www.sgi-usa.org/

remember how i told you i no longer seek inner peace or spiritual growth.. i know what bhuddism has to offer but no longer seek it i have found my own way and path.. which is beating ppl down for their ignorance and lack of spiritual growth or enlightenment.

YouTube video

but anyways that spill that i typed wasnt directed at you but at mota his comment pissed me the f&^%$ off..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k-faweF6Ww

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
um.. okay? is that like some kind of bhuddist hookup site?

remember how i told you i no longer seek inner peace or spiritual growth.. i know what bhuddism has to offer but no longer seek it i have found my own way and path.. which is beating ppl down for their ignorance and lack of spiritual growth or enlightenment.

but anyways that spill that i typed wasnt directed at you but at mota his comment pissed me the f&^%$ off..

I realize that you were beating on mota , this time. 😉 I simple thought the site could answer some of the question you were asking. It was for reference only.

back on track.

i am not hung up on labels.. i bn called athiest.. christian,, catholic and bhuddist.. sometimes by others and some times by me one time or another.

i realize that calling myself something does not make me what i claim to be nor to i believe nor adhere to whatever religion or philosophy of life i am currently practicing.

i studied Buddhism and lived and breathed it for over a decade.. i read and studied the bible as a small child and although i hated and was always angry at the priest and nuns for their judgmental views about what they considered evil as a small child i always loved and respected jesus..

i remember the nuns always telling my mom it was a sin to take me to karate class and expose me to their oriental beliefs.. my mom was a good hearted person who didnt share such ignorant asinine views and continued to take me to karate classes and MA's movies and even take me to meet some monks in los angeles when i was very little.. i immediately saw the difference even as a small 8 yr old between the spiritual message of jesus and the difference of a hard core catholic nun and priest that all is evil. i was able to compare a kind hearted soft spoken bhuddist man who didn't claim to know all the answers and as a little kid i saw the monk was closer to what i considered jesus to be then some, priest, nun, pasture or pope..

i guess my personal belief is a blend of both but not institutionalized aspect as in i dont need to go to church and hear someone tell me what he thinks god wants me to be or do..

1st off i could care less what the old testament god did as in he is not what i consider god to be.,.. i know it is blasphemy whatever.. to me the bible is written by man if their was anything spiritual and holy it has bn warped by millennium of mistranslations and out dated beliefs.
what the f&^% do i care about what to do when it comes about farming and finding tools and what to do or what plants or animals to eat.

jesus and the new testament is what i consider to have any spiritual significance whether he existed or not... and even then i throw out garbage and things that has nothing to do with jesus and doesnt jive with his message like revelations...

i also belief in certain spiritual ideas or at least like to strongly accept them.. thinks like karma and transmitting good thoughts and messages and all thinks being connected etc etc.. to me that and jesus message seem to overlap. i dont know what god is or if he exist i would like to think he does but it is not my place to say i know what he or she is nor em i arrogant enough to claim that i know or whatever i am correctly practicing is absolute truth.. as much as i like an afterlife with kind hearted spiritual ppl like jesus or simply dying and ceasing to exist into nothing does not bother me i can accept either one... if i am wrong then i am wrong it is called acceptance i learned that from bhuddism i have no need to make excuses for my belief or actions... i feel pity for ppl who do or follow religion out of fear rather then for knowledge and love or spiritual growth.. i also feel deep seeded hate for the arrogant and the proudly ignorant who flaunt it as a patch of honor..

i dont know all the answers or what is truth but i am willing to try to learn and stay open minded and spend my life having a good time looking.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
back on track.

i am not hung up on labels.. i bn called athiest.. christian,, catholic and bhuddist.. sometimes by others and some times by me one time or another.

i realize that calling myself something does not make me what i claim to be nor to i believe nor adhere to whatever religion or philosophy of life i am currently practicing.

i studied Buddhism and lived and breathed it for over a decade.. i read and studied the bible as a small child and although i hated and was always angry at the priest and nuns for their judgmental views about what they considered evil as a small child i always loved and respected jesus..

i remember the nuns always telling my mom it was a sin to take me to karate class and expose me to their oriental beliefs.. my mom was a good hearted person who didnt share such ignorant asinine views and continued to take me to karate classes and MA's movies and even take me to meet some monks in los angeles when i was very little.. i immediately saw the difference even as a small 8 yr old between the spiritual message of jesus and the difference of a hard core catholic nun and priest that all is evil. i was able to compare a kind hearted soft spoken bhuddist man who didn't claim to know all the answers and as a little kid i saw the monk was closer to what i considered jesus to be then some, priest, nun, pasture or pope..

i guess my personal belief is a blend of both but not institutionalized aspect as in i dont need to go to church and hear someone tell me what he thinks god wants me to be or do..

1st off i could care less what the old testament god did as in he is not what i consider god to be.,.. i know it is blasphemy whatever.. to me the bible is written by man if their was anything spiritual and holy it has bn warped by millennium of mistranslations and out dated beliefs.
what the f&^% do i care about what to do when it comes about farming and finding tools and what to do or what plants or animals to eat.

jesus and the new testament is what i consider to have any spiritual significance whether he existed or not... and even then i throw out garbage and thinks that has nothing to do with jesus and doesnt jive with his message like revelations...

i also belief in certain spiritual ideas or at least like to strongly accept them.. thinks like karma and transmitting good thoughts and messages and all thinks being connected etc etc.. to me that and jesus message seem to overlap. i dont know what god is or if he exist i would like to think he does but it is not my place to say i know what he or she is nor em i arrogant enough to claim that i know or whatever i am correctly practicing is absolute truth.. as much as i like an afterlife with kind hearted spiritual ppl like jesus or simply dying and ceasing to exist into nothing does not bother me i can accept either one... if i am wrong then i am wrong it is called acceptance i learned that from bhuddism i have no need to make excuses for my belief or actions... i feel pity for ppl who do or follow religion out of fear rather then for knowledge and love or spiritual growth.. i also feel deep seeded hate for the arrogant and the proudly ignorant who flaunt it as a patch of honor..

i dont know all the answers or what is truth but i am willing to try to learn and stay open minded and spend my life having a good time looking.

I can't argue with that. I wish you didn't hate, because I believe it would be better for you, but I'm not judging you.

someone was asking if their were buddhist extremists
http://www.tamileelamnews.com/cgi-bin/news/exec/view.cgi/1/1557

you need hate you need anger.. it is what balances you out as a person.. i dont view it as a negative although many do and others try bury it or find some way of balancing it "walking the swords edge".

i found it in life doing such things can have just as much a negative impact on the person whether emotional or outwardly ppl taking advantage of you..

being nice constantly no matter what ppl do to you is not healthy dont get me wrong i can respect ppl like Ghandi, Jesus, Martin Luther King for what they believe in but, sometimes ppl need to do more then just be an example or turn the other cheek..

i am a fighter always bn i have always had anger issues even as a small child... i mastered it and eventually was kind hearted and i tried so hard to live like jesus and Shakyamuni... but i cant, not when i see a douche bag taking and taking and no one saying or doing anything out of fear or acceptance of that is the way it is....

being nice and kind hearted got me bullied by ppl that couldnt beat me even if they had a weapon in hand... i dont smile and accept ppl for being corrupt douche bags and think nice happy thought.. they want forgiveness and kindness go talk to your parents or religion. all you'll get from me is a FU and a hospital trip if you did me dirty.

it may not be what jesus and bhudda would want but it is something i am willing to sacrifice then let them do it to others. my personal beliefs shouldnt effect how others live or place others in danger i am just doing them a service..
😇

Hate and being nice are not opposites. I believe that hate is like taking a poison to try and hurt someone else. All it does is make you sick. However, you should not tolerate douche bags. Simply deliver their Karma, but do not hate them. The reason for this is they might "see the light" and stop being a douche bag. If you hate them, then you might not see this change.

Do you think I'm always nice? Sometimes I deliver, but I do not hate.

i hate b/c i bn hurt repeatedly and i found that i was hurt b/c i didn't show anger and disapproval or willingness to retaliate.

emotionally at times had bn traumatizing b/c it was from ppl i thought i loved...

i don't walk around constantly angry and hating.. i crack jokes, smile and constantly try to seduce women. my hate rises to meet certain situations.. it helps me protect myself emotionally from the worst and to also rev myself up for whatever comes next usually an @$$ whoopin...

now will i spend my whole life and time hating someone? no.. doesn't mean i have to accept them even if they change. if they change good.. what, i should give them flowers for not lying, stealing, bullying or having affairs anymore? f@%^ them and whatever horse they rode on.. if it was up to me and gotten away with i kill em.. its one of the things that has stop me in past from finishing certain beating to their logical conclusions....

bye the way ur making me relive things i would soon rather forget..

❌

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
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bye the way ur making me relive things i would soon rather forget..

❌

Sorry, I did not mean to cause you pain.

if you sincerely mean that then i appreciate ur apology but, it is also not needed nor did you have to apologize for something you had no control or idea over.

it is what it is.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xahbk_jarhead-sex-tape_life

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
if you sincerely mean that then i appreciate ur apology but, it is also not needed nor did you have to apologize for something you had no control or idea over.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xahbk_jarhead-sex-tape_life

I consider you to be a friend. 😄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. I considered it to be raciest. The fact that I am white has no barring on the discussion, and I will ignore it.

It's not racist. The author of Stuff White People Like, Christian Lander is White. The book is a guide for non-White people to get by or assimiliate in a Caucasian dominant environment, whether its social or professional.

And yes, you being White is very relevant to the discussion. Converting to "Religions That Their Parents Don't Belong To" is very common among White people in the Western world. As the the chapter points out, Eastern religions like Buddhism and Hinduism are the most popular. Just look at you or any of those Hare Krishnas playing their tablas on street corners--same shit. The most common cause for all these white people leaving Christianity and embracing Eastern beliefs, I suspect, is its some kind of personal rebellion. Like they're making a statement or something.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

All religious text are written by humans. No religion is divine. I have every right to search for the truth that is mine. This is specified by Buddha. We are told not to believe Buddha, but to find our own path.

And if you honestly think that, then why not be a card-carrying member of the American Atheists? Why listen to good ol' Siddartha for that matter? After all, he's a religion founder, and therefore a beleiver in "fairytales".

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

A belief in a god is not required.

Or promoted or encouraged.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

You have never heard of reincarnation?

It's a Hindu concept that Buddhism sometimes borrows from. But didn't you say you don't believe in reincarnation? It generally requires a soul, otherwise what part of you will become a bear (or whatever) in the next life?

Karma, meditation, and reincarnation are all Hindu. Nirvana is nihilistic, unlike Hinduism's afterlife. So Buddhism is essentially Hinduism, but he got rid of souls and gods.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

One of the main reasons I am a Buddhist. The founder was human. I do not trust books written by gods, because gods do not write books. Books are only written by humans. That means if a book claims to be written by a god, someone is lying to you.

So was Mohammed and Joseph Smith.

If all holy books are false, then why not just be a hardcore atheist? And not a follower of an ancient self-help guru who founded a quasi-religion?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

No. You have to request membership, however, I cannot see any reason you will be denied. If you are a person with evil intent, then the people in the religion will not associate with you. If you misrepresent the religion, the elders will have a word with you.

What "Elders"? In your town in OR are they middle-aged hippies who play sitar all the time, or were they rasied into Buddhism?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

Therefore, the Dalai Lama must be “A White American who was raised Christian, and then adopted a new religion not involving Jesus”.

Clearly, he promotes it. I wonder if he has any idea that for most people in our country who claim his religion, its the same thing as wearing a Yankee cap.

Originally posted by mindbomb
someone was asking if their were buddhist extremists
http://www.tamileelamnews.com/cgi-bin/news/exec/view.cgi/1/1557

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It's not racist. The author of Stuff White People Like, Christian Lander is White. The book is a guide for non-White people to get by or assimiliate in a Caucasian dominant environment, whether its social or professional.

I wasn’t talking about the author. I was talking about you bringing racism into the conversation.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And yes, you being White is very relevant to the discussion. Converting to "Religions That Their Parents Don't Belong To" is very common among White people in the Western world. As the the chapter points out, Eastern religions like Buddhism and Hinduism are the most popular. Just look at you or any of those Hare Krishnas playing their tablas on street corners--same shit. The most common cause for all these white people leaving Christianity and embracing Eastern beliefs, I suspect, is its some kind of personal rebellion. Like they're making a statement or something.

Rebellion against what? My parents died long before I became a Buddhist.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And if you honestly think that, then why not be a card-carrying member of the American Atheists? Why listen to good ol' Siddartha for that matter? After all, he's a religion founder, and therefore a beleiver in "fairytales".

I considered Atheism, but concluded that it was a waist of time. It offered me nothing, and was not part of my natural progression.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Or promoted or encouraged.

Personal happiness is what is promoted and encouraged. Why would Buddhism promoted or encouraged a god?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It's a Hindu concept that Buddhism sometimes borrows from. But didn't you say you don't believe in reincarnation? It generally requires a soul, otherwise what part of you will become a bear (or whatever) in the next life?

Karma, meditation, and reincarnation are all Hindu. Nirvana is nihilistic, unlike Hinduism's afterlife. So Buddhism is essentially Hinduism, but he got rid of souls and gods.

Buddha took the common concepts of the people (Hinduism) and remade them to bring people to a better understanding. He used expedient means to teach people how to free themselves from the attachments of suffering.

Reincarnation is a human invention; in the same way fields in physics are to explain a phenomenon in the real world. I use reincarnation because I’m tired of explaining simultaneous incarnation, which is what I really believe.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So was Mohammed and Joseph Smith.

I believe that.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
If all holy books are false, then why not just be a hardcore atheist? And not a follower of an ancient self-help guru who founded a quasi-religion?

Should I also burn all gardening and self help books? Like I said, atheism has nothing to offer me.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
What "Elders"? In your town in OR are they middle-aged hippies who play sitar all the time, or were they rasied into Buddhism?

No, they wear suits and ties, and are professionals in their personal lives. They have been practicing Buddhism for most of their lives. Some of them were born into the practice, these are blessed children, but others came into their practice later in life. We are not restricted to Southern Oregon. We are an international organization called SGI, that is a non-state member of the UN. We have elders all over the world.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Clearly, he promotes it. I wonder if he has any idea that for most people in our country who claim his religion, its the same thing as wearing a Yankee cap.

The Dalai Lama is a leader of a different sect of Buddhism. That would be like calling the pope the leader of a protestant religion. Also, Buddhism is not his.

What is it like to wear a Yankee cap? Do you wear it every morning and evening? Do you go to Yankee cap study meeting every week? Do you wear it and chant for two hours ever Saturday with other members?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Bugs Bunny would get into an argument with the bad guy. Then he would flip the argument in mid stream, causing the bad guy to agree with Bugs. Bugs would then say "oh, you are right".

atheism has nothing to offer me either but its what i believe(for lack of a better word) in the end people should not believe because of what can and can not be offered but should believe because its what they think is correct

Originally posted by mindbomb
atheism has nothing to offer me either but its what i believe(for lack of a better word) in the end people should not believe because of what can and can not be offered but should believe because its what they think is correct

Originally posted by mindbomb
atheism has nothing to offer me either but its what i believe(for lack of a better word) in the end people should not believe because of what can and can not be offered but should believe because its what they think is correct

But the context of the question was picking a religion, and as a religion, atheism has nothing to offer.

it may not have anything to offer but do you think it is correct is a more important question than what it offers

Originally posted by mindbomb
it may not have anything to offer but do you think it is correct is a more important question than what it offers

It all depends on what God is. If you are talking about the conventional meaning, then yes, but under a more archaic meaning, then no.