Originally posted by inimalist
i dont know man, try some hard drugs, they offer a certain spirituality that I wouldn't call religiousmight be closer to mystical rather than spiritual...
Originally posted by King Kandy
No, no. The "martial arts spirituality" aspect.
hahahahahahaha
i thought you had a clever way of saying bullshit...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Under the above definition of pantheist my beliefs would not fall. I do not believe that God is transcendent. I do not believe in a creation, even the big bang was not a creation; it was only an event in the multiverse. I do not believe that God is a supreme being because that has a connotation of supernatural, and I do not believe in the supernatural.
That is the entire point; the way you define god is not god as anyone else understands the term.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What are you a conformist?
No, just someone who recognizes that one cannot have a meaningful conversation if there is not a meeting of the minds with regard to the meaning of terms. Having your own definition of god is useless to a conversation if it is not the definition as everyone else understands it.
i have no predisposed concept of god its not my place to say i know for sure nor em i arrogant to claim to know. so i guess i cant really argue about particular religions unless i use their own belief structure and have detailed knowledge of what their religion teaches whether i agree with it or not..
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, just someone who recognizes that one cannot have a meaningful conversation if there is not a meeting of the minds with regard to the meaning of terms. Having your own definition of god is useless to a conversation if it is not the definition as everyone else understands it.
Bullshit! Now you are letting the Christians have control of the conversation. I go a long way out of my way to explain what I mean my God. If someone asks me to clarify, then I do so. But I am not going to restrict myself to the Christian way of thinking about God.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Bullshit! Now you are letting the Christians have control of the conversation. I go a long way out of my way to explain what I mean my God. If someone asks me to clarify, then I do so. But I am not going to restrict myself to the Christian way of thinking about God.
I support this logic. From now on when I use the world "cheese" it will refer to what conformists would call "sitting in a chair".
There's nothing like the smell of freedom in the morning.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Bullshit! Now you are letting the Christians have control of the conversation. I go a long way out of my way to explain what I mean my God. If someone asks me to clarify, then I do so. But I am not going to restrict myself to the Christian way of thinking about God.
If you talk to a Christian you do not impose your definition of God onto them (I hope) so it is similarly silly to impose this definition (which I've rarely seen before) onto an atheist.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Bullshit! Now you are letting the Christians have control of the conversation. I go a long way out of my way to explain what I mean my God. If someone asks me to clarify, then I do so. But I am not going to restrict myself to the Christian way of thinking about God.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Under the above definition of pantheist my beliefs would not fall. I do not believe that God is transcendent. I do not believe in a creation, even the big bang was not a creation; it was only an event in the multiverse. I do not believe that God is a supreme being because that has a connotation of supernatural, and I do not believe in the supernatural.
how is your god not either tautological or redundant?
Originally posted by inimalist
how is your god not either tautological or redundant?
His definition of "god" doesn't seem to be any of the ones that can be found in any dictionary. If he does not believe God is transcendant or supreme, then why use the word "god" at all?
I'm sorry, but if someone believes in karma and reincarnation, then they believe in the supernatural. Unless they twist the meanings of those words so they don't actually resemble karma or reincarnaton.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
His definition of "god" doesn't seem to be any of the ones that can be found in any dictionary. If he does not believe God is transcendant or supreme, then why use the word "god" at all?I'm sorry, but if someone believes in karma and reincarnation, then they believe in the supernatural. Unless they twist the meanings of those words so they don't actually resemble karma or reincarnaton.
The original eastern concept of karma is not strictly supernatural, though it is redundant since everyone else just calls it "cause and effect".
Re: thoughts on your religion
Originally posted by red jokerThe thing is, it doesn't HAVE to be religion. It could be any other source as well, but why not religion? Nothing wrong with following a book on how to live your life as long as the book teches you to do good things. It's hundreds years of life experience and wisdom of our ancestors written in a book. Sure, you might have other sources to teach you "not to steal", "not to kill", "to respect your elders" etc, but not everybody have that, that's where bible/Koran etc are really useful.
just want to say that i don't have a religion. for a few reasons, don't need to read a book on how i should live my life.
Originally posted by red jokerIt's something that can be and has been debated for centuries. Ofcourse you're entitled to your opinion, but that's not a good enough reason for billions of people.
but my main reason for not fallowing religion is simple its fake.
Originally posted by red jokerOut of curiosity, who do you pray to? Is it "Oh man, I wish my sister got better" kinda thing?
pray ever night before bed.
Originally posted by red jokerHere's the thing. We need other people's experiences in order to know what to do and to even know the difference between the "good stuff" and the bad. See, you might not even realise it, but you always had someone to teach you, wheather it's your parents, siblings, friends or religious books it doesn't matter but you definitely had SOMETHING. Even that basic knowledge of good and bad doesnt come from you, its what you've been tought since you were little. If you were born on an island with noone to teach you and then suddenly saw a female you'd rape her without having a second thought, because you simply wouldnt understand that it's a "bad thing". Now you're probably gonna say "No! I have councious etc" well that's bull, even that comes with your life lessons, without religions or other things or people to teach you how "to live your life" you'd be perfectly fine with stealing, killing, raping etc
try not to judge others and all that good stuff.
Originally posted by red jokerIsn't that what bhuddists believe in? Whether you like it or not everything you believe in isn't something you've been born with or figured out on your own, it's what you've been tought by others and those others might as well have learnt it from their religion.
without evil we could have no good.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Being willing to explain is admirable. However, taking this particular position means that you cannot claim that someone else's definition of god is incorrect. By opening the term to interpretation (personal interpretation, no less) you give up any chance for a productive discussion about different belief systems.If you talk to a Christian you do not impose your definition of God onto them (I hope) so it is similarly silly to impose this definition (which I've rarely seen before) onto an atheist.
And that is the reason I ask which god. Atheists say all gods. I am not making up my definision. If atheist do not believe in any god, then they would also not berlieve in my god. Do you see why atheism is a waist of time?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The original eastern concept of karma is not strictly supernatural, though it is redundant since everyone else just calls it "cause and effect".
Because cause and effect is only one event. Karma is the relationship between each cause and effect. In other words, if cause and effect is a state, then Karma is the state of states.