Again, you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding about meaning. It isn't bias when we prove why that thing happens, like the numerous links to feats others have posted. And then we back them up with logic.
Your claims on why team one wins all involved you downplaying the feats of team two. Grats. Bias.
Yes, clearly we are the biased ones.You've never had the pleasure of reading one of BT's posts, have you?
Originally posted by KeollynI have my reasons. Kindly take it outside, or I stab your mom with my boner.
Y u hatin?Simba daddy loves you 😍
YouTube video Superior.
Your claims on why team one wins all involved you downplaying the feats of team two. Grats. Bias.
While yours are all about overhyping the feats of team 2. Bias. I'm merely pointing out bullshit.
You've never had the pleasure of reading one of BT's posts, have you?
I have, and I can safely say that he is at least 10x as smart as you. At least I had trouble debating with him. 🙄
And please respond to my post you chicken. Assuming you can of course. This pointless evasion is tiresome.
Also, how can I be bias against Link and Shiek, I've never played a zelda game and I barely know who shiek is (its zelda in drag, right?).
Originally posted by NephthysRemember when I pointed to a cutscene? There. Your post is invalid. I'm not going to waste three paragraphs disproving what can be disproven in a single sentence. 🙂
While yours are all about overhyping the feats of team 2. Bias. I'm merely pointing out bullshit.I have, and I can safely say that he is at least 10x as smart as you. At least I had trouble debating with him. 🙄
And please respond to my post you chicken. Assuming you can of course. This pointless evasion is tiresome.
Also, I lol'd. True bias you got there.
Also, how can I be bias against Link and Shiek, I've never played a zelda game and I barely know who shiek is (its zelda in drag, right?).The same way BT is, he's never played a Zelda game, either. (It shows.) and yet he chooses to troll every Zelda thread on this forum. OR maybe you're just biased in favour of Seph, who knows.
For all your claims supporters of team two are using bias, we're not the one downplaying feats or claiming someone soloes, ect. Or even a definitive winner.
Remember when I pointed to a cutscene? There. Your post is invalid. I'm not going to waste three paragraphs disproving what can be disproven in a single sentence. smileAlso, I lol'd. True bias you got there.
You can't respond to my points can you? You probably can't even understand my points, can you?
Originally posted by NephthysYour points disagree with the cutscene! You've specifically argued against what we see! Are you drunk, is that it?
Here's the breakdown. Your argument: "Link and Sheik sux! ____ soloes!"
Our argument: "Needs better feat to solo, Link and Sheik can do this ____"
Your argument. "That's not a feat, it sux!"
So, uh. No, rly, sir, u.
Originally posted by NephthysI have responded that your why is invalid as it conradicts a cutscene.
Thats a gross simplification. I actually told you why it 'sux'. You have so far not responded.And if you'd actually debate with, I wouldn't have to go 'no u' (which I'm not).
It's a mild simplification. You claim our side is bias, we're not the one constantly claiming definitive victors, spites and soloes. We're still /waiting/ for you to actually provide good reasons why team one would win, rather than try to deconstruct team two. Which you fail at.
The only one to have done so, so far, is infact Keollyn. He provided video links and stuff.
Then you guys wanked what occured in them. Shooting a freakin' statue's penis is not better than teleporting onto an Arwing in terms of precision required.
does it show Bayonetta is a good shot? Yes. But you guys seemed to think it was good enough to allow Bayo to emulate Sheik's feat somehow?
GUFFAW!
No. It still amounts to: Kratos is the single most dangerous person on his team. Link and Sheik have their SSBB feats, and I still do not even know which Link is being used.
Edit: AND I have to go to werk nao. Feel free to repeat yourself while I'm gone. 😉
I have responded that your why is invalid as it conradicts a cutscene.
And I have responded that that is not good enough. Plus that you are the one who contradicting the cutscene with your 'visual/=/slow' 'what we see is not the truth' shit.
It's a mild simplification. You claim our side is bias, we're not the one constantly claiming definitive victors, spites and soloes. We're still /waiting/ for you to actually provide good reasons why team one would win, rather than try to deconstruct team two. Which you fail at.The only one to have done so, so far, is infact Keollyn. He provided video links and stuff.
' No one on team one can touch them if you allow reaction/speed/awesomeness feats like they get in SSBB.' page one. Clearly you've never claimed a victor or spite. And Keollyn has, as you've said, definitively proved that Bayonetta solos. What is wrong about deconstruction anyway? I'm just pointing out why he is not as zomgubar!!! as you claim him to be.
Then you guys wanked what occured in them. Shooting a freakin' statue's penis is not better than teleporting onto an Arwing in terms of precision required.does it show Bayonetta is a good shot? Yes. But you guys seemed to think it was good enough to allow Bayo to emulate Sheik's feat somehow?
I really don't care about that point. Mostly becuase Shiek gets her head blown off before teleporting even comes into play.
Edit: AND I have to go to werk nao. Feel free to repeat yourself while I'm gone.
I'm not the one whose repeated a single feat over and over ad nuasium for 34 pages. That would be you. 😉
lol I am not bias towards LoZ, I am bias towards the daft overhypes from his fans....considering I have seen the majority of the "feats" (those that often dont exist) that Zelda characters are supposed to have, I have more than enough knowledge to know your making some crap up and assuming based on what you "like" to have happened in some scenes and Sin and Fascistcrusader who have played the games agree with some of my points.
Majoras whips, Midnas attack, overhyping of links attacks and speed based on one enemy and one technique (dark link, great slash) are just a few.
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The laser thing was addresses to and left unanswered on page 28, where several people have agreed that it wasnt real laser speed and is the classic fiction laser shot. In case nobody got it: ''In summery: Unless there is a way to prove that they were at the speeds of a real life laser, or a way to prove that its faster of slower then a bullet it will have to be left at bullet speed.'' ~The whole post is for anyone supporting team 2 to answer. If not, the scene is left at bullet speed.
1. Feats show that Bay is faster and stronger then Sheik.
2. Easy fail-safe is witch time where even real laser dodging would be made useless as it would do to teleporting.
3. Sephs TK on Sheik. (TK on Link is for whoever brought it up to go to)
4. Kratos ended up beating the fast Hermes; note that his main thing was to avoid, evade and not strike Kratos. These two will have to come up close and not run off to hit him making it that much easier for Kratos.
5. Team 1 has the strongest, fastest, the range, most skills relevant to a fight, numbers of 3v2 and could say more skill but that's up for question.
On a side note, can Sephiroth use his status (like weak/immune) from the KH games or only his ones from FF?
Faster I could believe, but stronger than Sheik? Nah. The best strength feat I've heard of that she supposedly did herself is catch a falling satellite, which isn't as impressive as cracking the windshield on an Arwing.
Wutsa Witchtime?
Teleportation is possible out of TK. We never saw Sheik have to move to do it, anyway.
That Hermes video never loaded. I asked for a better one, but I think you guys just said it was fine.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Faster I could believe, but stronger than Sheik? Nah. The best strength feat I've heard of that she supposedly did herself is catch a falling satellite, which isn't as impressive as cracking the windshield on an Arwing.Wutsa Witchtime?
Teleportation is possible out of TK. We never saw Sheik have to move to do it, anyway.
That Hermes video never loaded. I asked for a better one, but I think you guys just said it was fine.
Ah, could is better then nothing. Sheiks best strength is punching the Airwing cockpit wind-shield. The metal body of the Airwing was hit by the grappling arm and rendered unusable ie broke it followed by Rayquaza destroying it. I dont know about the games their in but in Brawl these things take it out. And thats the body not the weaker glass. Bays punch > headbutting a skyscraper > punching the cockpit wind-shield.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1rZGUf3NSo <- that. For a little measure, Sonic running at mach 1 to Bay would look like hes doing a human speed jog. Not sure if shes done a slower version then this.
Didnt think you people here allowed that teleport out of TK thing :/ Seph can follow with his teleport/slash to match her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDVZqs9QqVc&feature=related#t=1m5s Two times on that rope he accelerates to fast speeds. And he shows more agile moves then these two have.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Ah, could is better then nothing. Sheiks best strength is punching the Airwing cockpit wind-shield. The metal body of the Airwing was hit by the grappling arm and rendered unusable ie broke it followed by Rayquaza destroying it. I dont know about the games their in but in Brawl these things take it out. And thats the body not the weaker glass. Bays punch > headbutting a skyscraper > punching the cockpit wind-shield.
Why would that weaken the Arwing? I don't think I've seen that grappling arm outside of Brawl, but I assume its for catching other ships. If that were the case it would have to be pretty strong to hang on. Later, Fox's next Arwing is also hit by a projectile from the Halberd and is able to continue flying unhindered. Meaning that arm is stronger than weapon fire designed to battle other huge ships.
Rayquaza also never destroys that first ship. Fox actually ejects out of it unharmed and proceeds to defeat Rayquaza.
It also appears that the arm managed to hit the Arwing on the engines. None of this means the rest of the Arwing is any less durable than in its games. It is also incredibly fast, as shown by an earlier scene called "The Arwing's Pursuit."
Did Bayonetta actually headbutt a skyscraper or did a summon do it?
Originally posted by BloodRain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1rZGUf3NSo <- that. For a little measure, Sonic running at mach 1 to Bay would look like hes doing a human speed jog. Not sure if shes done a slower version then this.
Sonic is a lot faster than Mach 1, or so I'm told. I also think you are exaggerating. Those rocks that it stopped were not moving very fast themselves. When it slowed them it slowed them to a near halt.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Didnt think you people here allowed that teleport out of TK thing :/ Seph can follow with his teleport/slash to match her.
We do when they don't have to move to teleport. Like a spell where Kain had to move his arms or something to cast it, that wouldn't work.
Originally posted by BloodRain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDVZqs9QqVc&feature=related#t=1m5s Two times on that rope he accelerates to fast speeds. And he shows more agile moves then these two have.
It looks like Hermes was just messing with him. And we don't actually know how Kratos hit him anyway.
Since I'm no Nintendo wanker, I'll reveal all the feats and losses of the Brawl characters (via cutscenes) and it'll prove that they're not as uber as they are wanked to be:
Mario
-He was KO'd by a cannon ball from Petey Piranha.
-That laser dodging scene? Those laser weren't even accurate and most of them were hitting the ground.
-He's known for jumping but he couldn't even catch the Ancient Minister who was in the air.
-The angry dash (when Dark Peach is defeated) is toonforce.
Link
-The scene where he pulls out the Master Sword proves he has the Triforce of Courage in Brawl.
-That laser dodging scene? Those laser weren't even accurate and most of them were hitting the ground.
-His Master Sword can through guns, if that means anything.
-A single arrows smoked Dedede's vehicle.
-The angry dash (when Dark Zelda is defeated) is toonforce
Petey Piranha
-He was defeated by Kirby alone.
Kirby
-An Arwing passing by knocked him off the Halberd.
Peach
-An Arwing passing by knocked her off the Halberd.
-She gets turned into a trophy by Bowser. She had enough time to react.
Zelda
-An Arwing passing by knocked her off the Halberd.
-She gets turned into a trophy by Bowser. She had enough time to react.
Arwing
-It's obviously weaker than the ones in Star Fox 64. The Halberd's grappling arm knocked it off the air and it was totaled by a weaker version of Rayquaza.
Donkey Kong
-He's much stronger than in the DK games. A giant punch sent a Goomba and Diddy long distances. He can easily break out of chains. He's also strong enough to bust a wall.
-He had trouble ripping up a ROB but I'll label that PIS.
-He's not agile as he doesn't even try to dodge Bowser's Trophy gun.
Diddy Kong
-His peanut popgun shots are enough to knock away Bullet Bills and knock Primids off a flying platform.
-Was gonna be food for Rayquaza if Fox didn't show up
Pit
-It's obvious he glides and he couldn't even reach Ancient Minister who was up in the air.
-His blades can cut through a trophy gun.
-A single arrow smoked Dedede's vehicle.
Fox
-Fox does things in Brawl that he could never do in Star Fox adventures. He uses gadgets to move extremely fast and reflect projectiles. He's also a pretty good martial artist and can survive long drops.
Rayquaza
-Much weaker than in the Pokemon games (his stat total is higher than Mewtwo's).
-He was defeated by Fox and Diddy. Maybe just Fox alone.
Porky statue
-Is the most powerful enemy in Mother 3 but is much weaker as he is knocked out by a PK Thunder and then destroyed by a PK Flash.
Ness
-I'm sure he's weaker in Brawl but he is very agile and can destroy a stone statue with PK Flash.
Red
-He's just an ordinary human. He does nothing superhuman at all.
Marth
-He's pretty fast, running and swordplay. He shows an impressive fight with Metaknight
Metaknight
-Pretty fast and possibly faster than Marth. Showed an impressive fight with the FE character.
-Has the only real laser dodging feat. This laser is direct and Metaknight barely dodged it and had a burnt wing. It's worth noting that he is one of the fastest characters in the game unlike Mario & Link who are much slower than he is.
-He can fly pretty good. Possibly the best flyer outside of Kirby's own rides.
Ike
-Ike can run fast.
Luigi
-Because of Luigi's Mansion, it made this plumber look bad. It made Luigi a wuss in Brawl and he can barely stand up to a Waddledee (most pathetic enemy in the Kirby games) and easily gets beaten by King Dedede.
Wario
-Gets knocked over by a herd of Waddledee. Wow.
Pikachu
-He got captured by ROBs. If he can't stop a group of robots that can't even survive a drop that ordinary people can survive, you know he ain't uber.
King Dedede
-Falling debris knocks him out. Not completely toon force since he becomes a trophy after that.
-He defeats Bowser by himself.
Bowser
-He can dodge Pit's arrow but he gets beat by King Dedede.
Galleom
-It took Metaknight, Marth, and Ike to defeat him and then later, Lucas and Red (who has all of his Pokemon).
Lucas
Starts out as scared kid but later becomes powerful. His PK Thunder blasted off Galleom's arm. He can't survive falls though since he needed Metaknight to rescue his and Red's ass.
Falco
Possibly Fox's equal. It's worth noting that his Blaster lasers are much faster than the Arwing lasers smashing General Kalilero's argument to pieces. I'd estimate they're at least bullet speed or maybe even faster. Nobody dodges those lasers.
Zero Suit Samus
-Is deadlier than in Zero Mission. Her stun gun and change into a plasma whip and she was able to beat two Power Suit clones with Pika.
Samus
-She's weaker than in the Metroid games. She doesn't run as fast, was getting beat by Ridley, and couldn't rip apart one of the ROBs. She did blow apart of a few of those robots but not in the level that she would defeat enemies in the Metroid games.
Ridley
-Is much weaker since Pikachu can blast it out of the air. In the Metroid series, he survived worse things without getting falling to the ground.
-He can't spit fire at all (not in the cutscenes nor in gameplay).
Pikmin
-They're incredibly weak. A giant ROB could waste an army of them by spinning its torso. Captain Falcon sliding near them also killed them even though he touched none of them.
Captain Falcon
-A single Falcon Punch put the giant ROB out of commission.
Halberd
-Was defeated by the Halberd, proving it's weaker than in Star Fox 64. It's worth noting that the lasers shot by the Great Fox are much slower than the Arwing lasers. Just more proof that General Kaliero's laser argument fails.
Sheik
-She jumps, teleports on top of Fox's Arwing, and smashes the cockpit. No lasers were dodged and there is no speed feat. Fox also had enough time to barrel-roll her off (he does it to lasers) but he was dumb in that scene. She survived the long fall down.
Duon
-It must've been powerful if we need Peach, Sheik, Snake, Fox, Falco, and Lucario at the scene.
Lucario
-He must've been as fast as Metaknight if he was worth a fight.
-He can detect aura to find hidden people and see if they're friend or foe.
Yoshi
-Can run fast
Ganondorf
-He uses no magic at all. How does he control an army of ROBs? A detonator. How does he defeat Bowser? A trophy gun. Yeah he sucks in Brawl.
-To be fair, he empower his melee moves with darkness, fire, and electricity (in gameplay).
Ancient Minister
-Tanked a hail of ROB lasers.
Meta Ridley
-In gameplay, his attacks pale in comparison of what he had in Metroid Prime.
Halberd
-Is more of a warship since I don't remember shooting all those lasers. It did have that Combo Cannon w/ grappling arm in Super Star.
-The grappling arm is strong enough to reel a ship the size of the Great Fox and slam that thing into an ice mountain.
-It took three shots for a Subspace ship to take down the Halberd. The last shot was a direct hit that scrapped Metaknight's ship for good.
Tabuu
-Extremely powerful. He took most of the Brawl characters out in a few seconds. The only way he was beaten was when Sonic made a sneak attack and broke his wings which limited his wave attack.
-He can gather subspaced areas and combine them into a twisted maze.
Everything else is gameplay. I've played Smash Bros Brawl and own it so I know I'm right. If there's any mis-belief, check the Brawl cutscenes yourself or stop lying to yourself.