Thor and Silver Surfer vs Justice League (with a twist)

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, but they're going to figure out that they're facing big guns really fast. So while they won't know Thor and Surfer's particular styles, they'll get a rough impression of power almost immediately.

The JLAers also have pretty good teamwork going for them.

Hm, in what way can WW be BFRed easily that Hal couldn't?

I can think of some ways BFR could be used (though I wouldn't think a mjolnir portal would be 'easy' to apply), I'm just having trouble thinking of why it'd work on one and not the other.

Shoving them through portals might be equally difficult, but GL can create wormholes to travel across galaxies while she can't. Even some forms of dimensional travel are available for the flash and GL (albeit probably more limited than what SS and mjolnir can do) so they might be able make their way back to the fight in able time in case of dimension dumping.

GL might outright resist being displaced like that with his own power.

silver surfer flys into space and blast the earth into dust game over no more jla

the problem you have is if surfer is written like his powerset says. then there is not much the jla could do. i think it could look like the amazo (cartoon) vs jla

Originally posted by 753
Shoving them through portals might be equally difficult, but GL can create wormholes to travel across galaxies while she can't. Even some forms of dimensional travel are available for the flash and GL (albeit probably more limited than what SS and mjolnir can do) so they might be able make their way back to the fight in able time in case of dimension dumping.

GL might outright resist being displaced like that with his own power.

Thor and SS can take any combination of 2 characters in this list and SS can solo most of them. I doubt Flash can take out either of them with speedsteal, they have the PC and mjolnir afterall.

If the marvel duo has a full breafing and goes all out from the start with their exotic powers they can take it, only hal offers a true counter to their versatility and 2 of JLers have very easily exploitable weaknesses. SM: kryptonite, red star, energy drain, bioaura manipluation etc. MMH: fire and excess of iron in the blood.

Now, you need to be more persuasive. It's rather absurd for you to think that Kryptonite, energy drain, or red solar energy will stop Superman easily. It's your problem, you don't read Superman comics so you believe if his opponent has any one of those that they will win automatically. You are wrong.

You still have to proof if SS can even create the correct Kryptonite. Knowing that one person is vulnerable to Kryptonite and being able to produce Kryptonite at the correct level to hurt Superman is another thing.

These two can be put down at the beggining without much effort and this leaves WW, flash and hal. WW can be BFRed 1000 light years away or in another dimension, once again without strain

Flash and Hal can escape most of the BFR options, but not all of them and if it's the two against thor and SS they loose. Flash has no answer to transmutation and hal can't match their stamina or SS's speed.

power cosmic is underated on this forum. because the writers don't display it how they should.

EXILES 87 surfer is bad. they could not stop him surfer not holding back.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
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So having Mjolnir and PC will do what to protect them from speed steal? They can't protect themselves. [/B]

THe fact that Surfer is the top tier energy manipulator/matter manipulator in marvel with high level control over his own energy, who has resisted his energy being taken by even the likes of Mrungo mu makes flash stealing his kinetic energy highly highly unlikely.

Aside that. JLA wins. they r just too many

with the marvel duo's huge power output to go along with their large powerset, they definitely can cause some damage. especially with knowledge of their opponents. but it's hard to see them overcoming this group. this JLA roster have worked together countless times. they've faced foes they did not know about who were just as powerful. i agree they can apply some weakness exploitation to start the match, but each one in this JLA can react so quickly. they have a shietload of speed. they even have a guy who can amplify their speed even more. each one can react at super speeds with damaging force. as powerful as this duo is, i dont think they can win a majority here. however i dont think they get stomped either.

Originally posted by 753
Shoving them through portals might be equally difficult, but GL can create wormholes to travel across galaxies while she can't. Even some forms of dimensional travel are available for the flash and GL (albeit probably more limited than what SS and mjolnir can do) so they might be able make their way back to the fight in able time in case of dimension dumping.

GL might outright resist being displaced like that with his own power.

Diana does have a planeshift ability she uses to go back and forth from Olympus.

Still, I think it's hard to portal any of them to begin with.

Originally posted by Naija boy
THe fact that Surfer is the top tier energy manipulator/matter manipulator in marvel with high level control over his own energy, who has resisted his energy being taken by even the likes of Mrungo mu makes flash stealing his kinetic energy highly highly unlikely.

Aside that. JLA wins. they r just too many

Originally posted by xJLxKing
This is a battle. Superman, FLash, and the rest of the JLer still know common knowledge about Thor and SS.

not gonna talk about everything in your post but I feel the need to correct this part. The thread maker said the JLA will have zero knowledge of their enemies.

But anyway JLA win but most will die.

Diana loses vis BFR(black hole is the most viable option)
Thor stalemates supes or with the prep gets a slight advantage.
GL and flash combined stalemate surfer
Thor comes out,almost dead,trips Flash and then surfer blast him.
Gal loses to combined power

Given a lot of knowledge of their opponents and a sneak attack team marvel win 5.5/10
No sneak attack marvel loses 4.9/10.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Diana loses vis BFR(black hole is the most viable option)
Thor stalemates supes or with the prep gets a slight advantage.
GL and flash combined stalemate surfer
Thor comes out,almost dead,trips Flash and then surfer blast him.
Gal loses to combined power

Given a lot of knowledge of their opponents and a sneak attack team marvel win 5.5/10
No sneak attack marvel loses 4.9/10.

unless i read it wrong, i dont think the duo will have a sneak attack on team JLA. i think it was a simultaneous start for both teams except team duo will have had briefings on their opponents. so there goes your "sneak" attack. the duo can employ a "sneaky" attack due to their prior knowledge of team JLA, but not the type in which you catch an opponent completely off guard. with that said, if team duo does employ weakness exploits from the get go on heavy hitters like supes and jonn, the other 3 will have ample time to just retaliate with devastating force. as i said before, each one in team JLA will react to the best of their ability when they realize how powerful the duo can be. team JLA wins though not in a stomp.

A complete briefing? Meaning everything that is known about each char. in the team; weakness, personality, fight style incl. in teh briefing..

Two of the team (Supes/John) easy exploitable weakness for an easy takedown..

Flash wouldn't be of much use, team would take this fight air or space..

Leaves WW and GL..

I take Thor and Surfer for majority.. 7/10

The JL wins. There are too many of them.

WW and Superman are familiar with DC's Thor, so I don't think the team will be holding out at all from the get go.

Even being aware of the weaknesses that Superman and J'onn have, they still have 3 other extremely dangerous opponents to worry about at the same time. I don't see how Surfer can drain Clark and Thor create some fire to take out J'onn while Hal, Diana and Wally just sit back and let it happen.

Team Marvel, especially if they bring everything to the table.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You can't even follow the rules correctly.

😂 This was just sad. What rules did I break?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You can't even follow the rules correctly.

So having Mjolnir and PC will do what to protect them from speed steal? They can't protect themselves. Ones that happens they are statues, so Flash will have all day to kill them.

Mjolnir is a plot device magic weapon that affords protection against al kinds of energy manipulation, which is what speed steal is. Same goes for power cosmic, Flash's manipulation of physical forces and the speedforce is below the Surfer's. Maybe you think speed is a magical property of reality and people who can steal speed can get auto-wins against people who don't access the speed force. But speed is just rate of movment determined by the amount of kinetic energy an object is given and these two manipulate energy and fundamental forces of nature at a much higher scale than flash can dream of.

Originally posted by xJLxKing

Are you kidding me? CA allows SS to already know everyones' weaknesses in this battle, having someone explain it to him wont to anything extra. Thor can't do nothing exotic even if he knew every single thing about them.

A full breafing includes more than their weaknesses, but their powers and its limits. You clearly don't know enough about thor.
Dimension dump, god blast, antiforce blast so on and so forth.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Now, you need to be more persuasive. It's rather absurd for you to think that Kryptonite, energy drain, or red solar energy will stop Superman easily. It's your problem, you don't read Superman comics so you believe if his opponent has any one of those that they will win automatically. You are wrong.

You still have to proof if SS can even create the correct Kryptonite. Knowing that one person is vulnerable to Kryptonite and being able to produce Kryptonite at the correct level to hurt Superman is another thing.

Absurd? It's happened on panel several times and Surfer's energy output is far above most of the artificial red star and kryptonite sources that have put SM down for the count in the past. Dr Polaris has depowered SM and turned MMH inside out in a split second and there is nothing he can do that SS can't. SS can come up with a planet's mass worth of kryptonite, not mention explode its mass to make the radiation emission more intense, and it only takes a few kilograms anyway. He can also energy drain.

Again, not that he needs to exploit their weaknesses. It's just simpler and easier.

Originally posted by xJLxKing

No, they can't. The fact that you believe WW can be BFR is laughable and what's even more ridiculous is that you believe two high herald would be take out right away. LMAO. This isn't a preemptive strike. This is a battle. Superman, FLash, and the rest of the JLer still know common knowledge about Thor and SS.

😂

WW cant bfred huh? why not? SS has BFRed an enemy in the far future, how is she gonna come back? You think she can't be bullrushed far away? SS covers light years in seconds. Thor can open portals and do area teleportations and dimension dumping as well. You might claim it's hard for them to get a hold of her or push her somewhere that long but it would take less than a second to get it done. Those two high heralds have been taken out right away by the methods described here, so yeah I think it can be done.

Originally posted by Q99
Diana does have a planeshift ability she uses to go back and forth from Olympus.

Still, I think it's hard to portal any of them to begin with.

But could she use it to move from any dimension to another or is it restricted to olympus?

I need to know is who briefing Thor and Surfer.

It's very important.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
unless i read it wrong, i dont think the duo will have a sneak attack on team JLA. i think it was a simultaneous start for both teams except team duo will have had briefings on their opponents. so there goes your "sneak" attack. the duo can employ a "sneaky" attack due to their prior knowledge of team JLA, but not the type in which you catch an opponent completely off guard. with that said, if team duo does employ weakness exploits from the get go on heavy hitters like supes and jonn, the other 3 will have ample time to just retaliate with devastating force. as i said before, each one in team JLA will react to the best of their ability when they realize how powerful the duo can be. team JLA wins though not in a stomp.

I agree the duo will take a lot of heat and if they win, it won't be stomp in any way, one of them might go down. But between their durabilities, versatilities, power output and full knowledge of their enemies I think they can take this.

I also don't see any actual casualties in this fight if they are all in character, they fight to ko and bfr as usual. People confuse fighting smart, using all of your powerset and going for the win from the get-go, with ruthless killing blows.

This was just sad. What rules did I break?

Mjolnir is a plot device magic weapon that affords protection against al kinds of energy manipulation, which is what speed steal is. Same goes for power cosmic, Flash's manipulation of physical forces and the speedforce is below the Surfer's. Maybe you think speed is a magical property of reality and people who can steal speed can get auto-wins against people who don't access the speed force. But speed is just rate of movment determined by the amount of kinetic energy an object is given and these two manipulate energy and fundamental forces of nature at a much higher scale than flash can dream of.

A full breafing includes more than their weaknesses, but their powers and its limits. You clearly don't know enough about thor. Dimension dump, god blast, antiforce blast so on and so forth.

Absurd? It's happened on panel several times and Surfer's energy output is far above most of the artificial red star and kryptonite sources that have put SM down for the count in the past. Dr Polaris has depowered SM and turned MMH inside out in a split second and there is nothing he can do that SS can't. SS can come up with a planet's mass worth of kryptonite, not mention explode its mass to make the radiation emission more intense, and it only takes a few kilograms anyway. He can also energy drain. Again, not that he needs to exploit their weaknesses. It's just simpler and easier.

Why don't you just say that he transforms the entire battlefield into kryptonite. Please post scans of him creating something as Kryptonite? You can't obviously. Lets see him create an entire planet into crystal.

WW cant bfred huh? why not? SS has BFRed the lunatic in the far future, how is she gonna come back? You think she can't be bullrushed far away? SS covers light years in seconds. Thor can open portals and do area teleportations and dimension dumping as well. You might claim it's hard for them to get a hold of her or push her somewhere that long but it would take less than a second to get it done. Those tw high heralds have been taken out right away by the methods described here, so yeah I think it can be done.

It seems to fail to grasp what CIS is. Disregarding the rules.

Why don't I disregard it as well. Both Superman and Flash will run at speed of light and use IMP punch non-stop. In addition, Superman will be firing HV, and CB non-stop. Also, Flash will steal speed for every living thing possible and share it with everyone. This of course all happens in a matter of Nano-Second because he has does this like 5 times in his 50 yr history. MM will just use telepathy and use that Superman-like strength to hit SS or Thor. Obviously, JL will be faster. Lets not forget, any attack that SS and THor use will quickly be stopped because it's KE will be taken away. Obviously, if they have the power, they would do it in every match possible. 🙄 😂 😂

Shall I low ball at the same time? 😱

Justice League. And combination of 3 would beat them down.