Thor and Silver Surfer vs Justice League (with a twist)

Originally posted by xJLxKing
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LMAO this is just sad. Not even the biggest fanboy of Thor would deny the fact that Flash can steal Thor's speed, but you come up with some non-sense. 😆

Again disregarding the rules. You believe he will use any one of those when it's clearly CIS on? I guess you expect Thor to use Godblast every second right? Knowing someone's limits means nothing. Give me an example what Thor can do with that knowledge? Pretty much nothing. He isn't a tactical fight, and isn't known as one.

😂

Why don't you just say that he transforms the entire battlefield into kryptonite. Please post scans of him creating something as Kryptonite? You can't obviously. Lets see him create an entire planet into crystal.

It seems to fail to grasp what CIS is. Disregarding the rules.

Why don't I disregard it as well. Both Superman and Flash will run at speed of light and use IMP punch non-stop. In addition, Superman will be firing HV, and CB non-stop. Also, Flash will steal speed for every living thing possible and share it with everyone. This of course all happens in a matter of Nano-Second because he has does this like 5 times in his 50 yr history. MM will just use telepathy and use that Superman-like strength to hit SS or Thor. Obviously, JL will be faster. Lets not forget, any attack that SS and THor use will quickly be stopped because it's KE will be taken away. Obviously, if they have the power, they would do it in every match possible. 🙄 😂 😂

Shall I low ball at the same time? 😱

So your claim is that I broke the rules by ignoring CIS? Funny indeed.

Weakness exploitation and BFR are perfectly within character for the SS. What could in-character thor do with knowledge of their levels and powers? BFR, energy absorption and drain, godblast. He has done all of this in the past when fighting enemies he knows require those powers. Thor is not a tactical fighter, but he is not stupid either. Main point is the duo will know exactly what they have to do to win and they will know they'll loose if they don't do it. Neither character is stupid and they can take this without lethal force so it is in character for them.

No one would believe mjolnir could protect thor from being turned into a statue forever by speed steal? really? mjolnir can't counter a speed/kinetic enrgy steal. Okdok. at least you dropped the angle about the surfer.

The jla could very well fight in the way you described as being out of character and the result wouldn't change, most of the behaviors you listed are actually in character for them. I already am assuming they'll go lightspeed, or at least a significant fraction of it, and MM will use TP, because they actually do it quite often. HV would be futile and MMH requires concentrarion to match SM's strengh and can't keep it up for long. But let's assume he has SM strengh with no 'buts' for this. I don't think it changes anything. They are still the first two to go down.

As for wheter or not SS has the juice to come up with kryptonite, you've got to be joking.

Giving Quasimodo a living body - it doesnt get any more complex than this.
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5528/ffannual05silversurfer0tl4.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3945/ffannual05silversurfer0vy1.jpg

Creating air in the vacuum of space where there was no matter before
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3329/silversurfer04316hm7.jpg

Reconstructing RR's tech
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9739/ffv15520transmutationqm7.jpg

Rebuilding a city
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9320/ssenslavers74sc7.jpg

All of these feats are more impressive than creating a simple mineral. What makes you think kryptonite is so special and difficult to replicate? It's an alien radioactive mineral, so what? Shouldn't be more difficult than turning air into Uranium if he knows its properties, which he would.

And yes he could turn a planet into crystal. He can easily destroy a planet and more importantly he has reconstructed planets before and has regenerated life/manipulated its matter and metabolism on a planetary scale, so he has the scope, the fine control and the raw power to pull planet-scale manipulation feats.

The Surfer/Thor nuthuggery on this forum truly knows no bounds.

League wins.

Ambient

Flash wouldn't be of much use, team would take this fight air or space..

They have a GL with them. GLs have long been useful in giving Flashes a means to fight in space.

Originally posted by 753
But could she use it to move from any dimension to another or is it restricted to olympus?

Hm, I'm not sure, at the least she can do Earth, Olympus and similar god homes (she visited a ton in The Circle storyline), and Themyscira-when-it's-in-a-pocket-dimension. But even if it is, she could pop to Olympus then back to Earth, and she got an enchanted clamshell (yes, I known) from a Hawaiian god that she can summon at will and travel between worlds too.

Though I bet she'd just throw out the lasso to one of her allies to prevent going through in the portal in the first place, if she couldn't outright avoid it.

Martian Manhunter could KO Thor immediately and struggle with SS long enough for the rest of the team to collapse on him.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Justice League. And combination of 3 would beat them down.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Martian Manhunter could KO Thor immediately and struggle with SS long enough for the rest of the team to collapse on him.

mindrape?

So your claim is that I broke the rules by ignoring CIS? Funny indeed.

Weakness exploitation and BFR are perfectly within character for the SS. What could in-character thor do with knowledge of their levels and powers? BFR, energy absorption and drain, godblast. He has done all of this in the past when fighting enemies he knows require those powers. Thor is not a tactical fighter, but he is not stupid either. Main point is the duo will know exactly what they have to do to win and they will know they'll loose if they don't do it. Neither character is stupid and they can take this without lethal force so it is in character for them.

No one would believe mjolnir could protect thor from being turned into a statue forever by speed steal? really? mjolnir can't counter a speed/kinetic enrgy steal. Okdok. at least you dropped the angle about the surfer.

The jla could very well fight in the way you described as being out of character and the result wouldn't change, most of the behaviors you listed are actually in character for them. I already am assuming they'll go lightspeed, or at least a significant fraction of it, and MM will use TP, because they actually do it quite often. HV would be futile and MMH requires concentrarion to match SM's strengh and can't keep it up for long. But let's assume he has SM strengh with no 'buts' for this. I don't think it changes anything. They are still the first two to go down.

Giving Quasimodo a living body - it doesnt get any more complex than this. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/...rsurfer0tl4.jpg http://img171.imageshack.us/img171

Creating air in the vacuum of space where there was no matter before http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/...fer04316hm7.jpg

Like I said, knowing what to create and how to create is two different thing. If I knew, a gun can kill you, it doesn't mean I can create it.

Rebuilding a city http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/...lavers74sc7.jpg

Reconstructing RR's tech http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/...mutationqm7.jpg

All of these feats are more impressive than creating a simple mineral. What makes you think kryptonite is so special and difficult to replicate? It's an alien radioactive mineral, so what? Shouldn't be more difficult than turning air into Uranium if he knows its properties, which he would.

And yes he could turn a planet into crystal. He can easily destroy a planet and more importantly he has reconstructed planets before and has regenerated life/manipulated its matter and metabolism on a planetary scale, so he has the scope, the fine control and the raw power to pull planet-scale manipulation feats.

What you did demonstrate was you complete ignorance to other characters power.
-You deny that Flash can steal the KE from SS and Thor, or their physical attacks without proof
-You acts as if characters who are viewed as HH can't beat two other HH. The fact that majority of the people on this forum believe that Superman and Thor are nearly equal and you act as if he'll kill Superman or anyone else easily.
-Disregard CIS completely
-SOL means nothing lol
Soooo much more

Originally posted by 753
mindrape?

Yes. He wouldn't mindrape SS, Norrin is a good enough telepath to make MM work for it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Thor and Silver Surfer

vs

Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Flash (Wally), and Green Lantern (Hal)

---

Twist: The Marvel duo get a complete briefing on their opponents.

Thor's basically window dressing here, IMO. Surfer's more than fast enough to blitz this team, and I don't think even Superman can stand up against Surfers best attacks (And even if he could, Surfer has other options, like the solar drain...)

Surfer's never blitzed like that. His *travel* speed is insane, his combat speed is less-so.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

What you did demonstrate was you complete ignorance to other characters power.
-You deny that Flash can steal the KE from SS and Thor, or their physical attacks without proof

Most of the examples I've ever seen of Flash stealing speed is either by touching his target (Like when he stole speed from the Earth). If Surfer stays out of range, can Flash still steal his speed?

Can you prove he could do this?

Originally posted by Q99
Surfer's never blitzed like that. His *travel* speed is insane, his combat speed is less-so.

If you mean he's never blitzed with physical attacks, he doesn't need to.. He's demonstrated examples of "travel" speed combined with energy attacks that could add up to a "blitze with energy attacks" easily enough..

The "Uni Lord Saga" actually had examples of this from characters who had only a portion of Surfers full power. They were blitzing and shooting at high speeds, which is something Surfer's certainly capable of..

Originally posted by Q99
Surfer's never blitzed like that. His *travel* speed is insane, his combat speed is less-so.

Actually his combat speed is just fine. He may not be a kicking/ punching guy but he does know how to combine his speed and and his blasts (which is his primary means of attack) into "blitzes" as seen below

Though its more than a little far fetched to say that he blitzes the JLA.

Yea, I don't mean he's slow or anything, he's quite fast, but he doesn't blitz people who also have superspeed or anything.

He can engage the league in high speed combat but they can fight like that fine too.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Martian Manhunter could KO Thor immediately and struggle with SS long enough for the rest of the team to collapse on him.

😆 KO immediately huh?

anyways JLA still wins. too many to deal with. they win and not a stomp.

Team DC. Come on. Wonder Woman can handle Thor while the rest dogpile Surfer then finish Thor if Diana can't on her own.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, I don't mean he's slow or anything, he's quite fast, but he doesn't blitz people who also have superspeed or anything.

He can engage the league in high speed combat but they can fight like that fine too.

To be fair, even DC speedsters don't blitz nearly as often as they could.. In Surfers case, he has the feats that proves he can do it, but not the actual combat feats.

I mean, hanging with The Runner alone should be proof enough. (Hanging meaning Runner was only moving marginally faster than Surfer, instead of majorly blitzing him..) He's one guy who could blitz most DC speedsters.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Team DC. Come on. Wonder Woman can handle Thor while the rest dogpile Surfer then finish Thor if Diana can't on her own.

JLA win but i highly doubt it will go anyting like that. this is due to the duo's given tactical advantage from the briefing.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
JLA win but i highly doubt it will go anyting like that. this is due to the duo's given tactical advantage from the briefing.

Surfer and Thor may well be able to take down Superman and possibly J'onn but while they're dealing with them its not like Flash, GL, and WW are just going to be twidling their thumbs.

I see the fight going thusly:

Surfer assesses Superman as the greatest potential threat and takes him out via weakness exploitation while Thor goes after Wonder Woman. While Thor and Diana are duking it out and Superman is going down Surfer gets bum-rushed by MM, Flash, and GL. That's a fight he really can't win.