Originally posted by batdude123
A concept most don't understand.
But what can Wonder Woman or GL do that has any actual effect on Surfer, especially the way he's been portrayed lately?
If Bill's two best shots can't really bother Surfer, I can't see GL or WW doing much.
And again, what's Flash going to do if Surfer's hovering out of range? Can he even steal the speed of someone he can't touch or get close to?
Originally posted by batdude123
facepalm
The "nutthuggery", as you call it, for Flash on various message boards is as bad as anything out there.
And I don't think it's being unreasonable to ask for examples of Flash ripping the kinetic energy from someone who he can't touch or even get close to, considering Surfer can fly/hover...
Originally posted by cdtmAlthough typically written he does touch the opponent, I'm pretty sure Wally has done it simply by looking at someone. I'm fairly sure Walter did it too..Though it's a rare thing, you know, like pulling up a 30 year old scan of Surfer using super-speed and firing blasts in battle.
The "nutthuggery", as you call it, for Flash on various message boards is as bad as anything out there.And I don't think it's being unreasonable to ask for examples of Flash ripping the kinetic energy from someone who he can't touch or even get close to, considering Surfer can fly/hover...
Then again, Flash isn't going solo against Surfer, and if he did, Thor's getting gangraped and curbstomped in half of a second, then they come for Surfer.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html
YupWeakness and BFR is in their character, but it is not in their character to throw around GodBlast at their opponent. If it is, please, post how many times he used it. I can only count one. BFR usually goes to character who do it often and have no choices.
LMAO, so you can't counter nothing? Can you post any scans of Thor resisting it using Mjolnir, or SS? Please do so.
It just keeps getting better. There is no speedforce in marvel, nobody steals speed there, so how would they have countered it on panel? They have, however, countered dozens of energy manipulation and energy drain attacks and the forces they weild are beyond the flash's control over kinetic energy. I don't have scans of galactus resisting speedsteal either, but no one should believe that can work on high end energy manipulators. Take a look at thor's respect thread and see what mjolnir can do: from matter tranmutation to energy drain and absorption; it can contain a bomb that would destroy 1/5 of the universe; it can heal bodies and suck souls. But yes the fearsome speed steal will leave him a statue forever.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.htmlNo offense dude, but you are a total moron.
TP wont do nothing?
HV and CB Futile?
Johnz needs concentration to use his strength?
LMAO at the amount of idiocy you bring to a debate.
And here you go into bashing, how cute! your puny mind can't keep it up without it huh?
SS has walked off TP attacks from moondragon with mind gem and thor has very good resistance feats against external coercion as well.
HV? CB? hahahahahahaha, god you really are stupid, they can both withstand the cold of outer space and magical extradimensional winters. SS casually crosses stars and once absorbed one; mjolnir has absorbed enough energy to destroy a 1/5 of the universe and he can block and absorb ambient energy as well, Count nefaria's heat vision has been negated by mjolnir countless times. So yeah HV and CB are joke powers and will do nothing.
MMH is not as strong as SM at his base level, only if SM is holding back as usual, although he is not far from it either. MMH can, however, tighten the macromolecule polymers in his cells into bundles to become stronger than his base level, this is straining and can't be kept up indefinitelly as the bundles break down after a while.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html
Can you please elaborate what will that do to anyone here?Creating Air=/=Creating Kryptonite.
Like I said, knowing what to create and how to create is two different thing. If I knew, a gun can kill you, it doesn't mean I can create it.
😂 Again, what does this accomplish?
Exactly, how would he know the properties? You just assume that he does. You don't.
Again, explain.
It shows that he can create far more complex structures than a simple radiocative mineral. He also turned that guy into stone and that would work on most of them as well, certainly on SM.
If he knows the frequency of the radiation of kryptonite, he can make the matter that emmits it. It is basic chemistry and he has cosmic awareness and an extraordinary comprehension of matter. He would know the frequency thanks to CA and or the briefing.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.htmlSo you don't have proof? Superman can destroy a planet, he has and he did. GL have manipulated life on planetary scale so what you have just post means squat. What you posted proves nothing.
It proves he can actually manipulate whole planets at a time with very fine control, so he could turn a planet into crystal, which you claimed he couldn't. Yes a gifted GL can likely do this too and, again, all it takes is a few kilograms of K-nite to put him down. SM cant manipulate anything, he punches planets to destroy them, it's not the same thing.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.htmlWhat you did demonstrate was you complete ignorance to other characters power.
-You deny that Flash can steal the KE from SS and Thor, or their physical attacks without proof
-You acts as if characters who are viewed as HH can't beat two other HH. The fact that majority of the people on this forum believe that Superman and Thor are nearly equal and you act as if he'll kill Superman or anyone else easily.
-Disregard CIS completely
-SOL means nothing lol
Soooo much more
Right, show me flash speed stealing high end energy manipulators with magical weapons or control over fundamental forces of nature then. It goes like this: SS's control over energy and himself>flash's control over kinetic energy; mjolnir's magic and control over energy > flash's control over kinetic energy. He also needs to tag them for this, so it's even harder.
Both thor and SS have a lot more versatility than SM and he only edges thor out in speed. SM and MMH have easily exploitable weaknesses and both thor and SS can transmutate matter and emmit any kind of electromagnetic radiation, not mention make fire or pull iron. SS would know this through CA, Thor would be benefitted by the briefing. SM can also be depowered a la DR polaris, through red star radiation or drained of energy.
Originally posted by cdtm
But what can Wonder Woman or GL do that has any actual effect on Surfer, especially the way he's been portrayed lately?If Bill's two best shots can't really bother Surfer, I can't see GL or WW doing much.
Less, do any of them have any cut-all enchanted items, or powerful restraints be they magic or construct? Those might slow him down.
Or just *keep* pounding on him for awhile? Two shots is one thing, but I don't think Surfer's safe from Bill period, enough shots will take him down.
And again, what's Flash going to do if Surfer's hovering out of range? Can he even steal the speed of someone he can't touch or get close to?
That depends, is there a GL around to provide him 'road' that'll follow under his feat no matter where he wants to go?
If there is, there's not that much problem.
Originally posted by 753
HV? CB? hahahahahahaha, god you really are stupid, they can both withstand the cold of outer space and magical extradimensional winters. SS casually crosses stars and once absorbed one; mjolnir has absorbed enough energy to destroy a 1/5 of the universe and he can block and absorb ambient energy as well, Count nefaria's heat vision has been negated by mjolnir countless times. So yeah HV and CB are joke powers and will do nothing.
😆
Cold Breath will wtfpwn Thor.
As for Heat Vision.... lol. Thor can stand there, hold Mjolnir in front of him and block the blast while either Flash, MM, WW or GL punch him in the back of the head.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
facepalmYou don't seriously believe Thor or Surfer could manipulate the Speed Force do you?
Of course not, I am talking about power levels. I am saying their own energy control/drain/retention etc. can counter his kinetic stealing powers. Their energy manipulation is above his.
I don't have a problem with people claiming the league is just too many and can win. I simply think thor and SS can win too and am debating particular points with a poster who sai it would be a stomp.
The briefing does offer them a tactical advantage here. It's not just them being able to exploit weaknesses, but knowing what to expect from each opponent and already coming to the battlefield with planned out ways to take them. If the situation were reversed I would give the edge to JLA. When SM fought the elite he showed what he can do with a battle plan and knowledge of enemy's powers and each of the elite could give him a run for his money on their own. Although they were pretty stupid in that fight, the concept applies here.
It just keeps getting better. There is no speedforce in marvel, nobody steals speed there, so how would they have countered it on panel? They have, however, countered dozens of energy manipulation and energy drain attacks and the forces they weild are beyond the flash's control over kinetic energy. I don't have scans of galactus resisting speedsteal either, but no one should believe that can work on high end energy manipulators. Take a look at thor's respect thread and see what mjolnir can do: from matter tranmutation to energy drain and absorption; it can contain a bomb that would destroy 1/5 of the universe; it can heal bodies and suck souls. But yes the fearsome speed steal will leave him a statue forever.
The fact that you bring up a Cosmic Being who gives every little power to SS and dozen of others and treats them as slave,s as pawns to the debate shows how far you will go to not be wrong.
Again, unlike you I try to read the characters comic book to know how often they use these attack and most of the ones you mentioned aren't a every day thing. It's more like a ones in 5 yrs thing. I asked you to post Thor doing more then one God Blast, I asked you to post he absorbing someone like Superman. What you post is him taking 1/5 of a universe destroy. It means nothing. Stop posting ridiculous stuff that have nothing to do with our debate.
SS has walked off TP attacks from moondragon with mind gem and thor has very good resistance feats against external coercion as well. HV? CB? hahahahahahaha, god you really are stupid, they can both withstand the cold of outer space and magical extradimensional winters. SS casually crosses stars and once absorbed one; mjolnir has absorbed enough energy to destroy a 1/5 of the universe and he can block and absorb ambient energy as well, Count nefaria's heat vision has been negated by mjolnir countless times. So yeah HV and CB are joke powers and will do nothing. MMH is not as strong as SM at his base level, only if SM is holding back as usual, although he is not far from it either. He can, however, tighten the macromolecule polymers in his cells into bundles to become stronger than his base level, this is straining and can't be kept up for long as the bundles break down after a while. Go do some research on the character.
LMAO. Listen dude, the fact that you just proved you don't know nothing about Superman's Heat Vision and Cold Breath shows how one-sided your argument is. The fact that you call the joke power shows your idiocy, and bad knowledge of Superman and his team mates. The fact that you know nothing about them is disrespectful. Please, start reading books if you want to ask like you know the characters.
Please, post proof how how much weaker Johnz is. There were a couple of statement that state they are close in power. Will you deny that?
It shows that he can create far more complex structures than a simple radiocative mineral. He also turned that guy into stone and that would work on most of them as well, certainly on SM. If he knows the frequency of the radiation of kryptonite, he can make the matter that emmits it. It is basic chemistry and he has cosmic awareness and an extraordinary comprehension of matter. He would know the frequency thanks to CA and or the briefing.
Do know have any proof of what you are saying
Right, show me flash speed stealing high end energy manipulators with magical weapons or control over fundamental forces of nature then. It goes like this: SS's control over energy and himself>flash's control over kinetic energy; mjolnir's magic and control over energy > flash's control over kinetic energy. He also needs to tag them for this, so it's even harder. Both thor and SS have a lot more versatility than SM and he only edges thor out in speed. SM and MMH have easily exploitable weaknesses and both thor and SS can transmutate matter and emmit any kind of electromagnetic radiation, not mention make fire or pull iron. SS would know this through CA, Thor would be benefitted by the briefing. SM can also be depowered a la DR polaris, through red star radiation or drained of energy.
I can't even believe what you said about SS' MM control>Flash's KE stealing power. You have showed you true colors.
It also funny how you have avoided ever thing I said in my last post.
Flash is useless (grounded) and can be kill easely by either Surfer or Thor: They can just bfr him into the sun. Also, Surfer can destroy Sups at the start: Draning him from his solar energy, shooting him with red sun energy, creating kryptonite and killing him with it... The options are there.
But still, I see JLA winning. Even if Surfer is the biggest gun of the match, and Thor is aguarbly the second most powerful, I don't think team Marvel can prevail against the like of Martian Manhunter, Hal Jordan, and Wonder Woman.
Against any team of two that would include two of these three heroes of DC, team Marvel would probably win around 10/10. But I don't gives them a majority against the three. The third player can and would do the difference. Team DC a healthy 7 or 8/10
Originally posted by 753
Of course not, I am talking about power levels. I am saying their own energy control/drain/retention etc. can counter his kinetic stealing powers. Their energy manipulation is above his.I don't have a problem with people claiming the league is just too many and can win. I simply think thor and SS can win too and am debating particular points with a poster who sai it would be a stomp.
The briefing does offer them a tactical advantage here. It's not just them being able to exploit weaknesses, but knowing what to expect from each opponent and already coming to the battlefield with planned out ways to take them. If the situation were reversed I would give the edge to JLA. When SM fought the elite he showed what he can do with a battle plan and knowledge of enemy's powers and each of the elite could give him a run for his money on their own. Although they were pretty stupid in that fight, the concept applies here.
Originally posted by Spire
😆Cold Breath will wtfpwn Thor.
As for Heat Vision.... lol. Thor can stand there, hold Mjolnir in front of him and block the blast while either Flash, MM, WW or GL punch him in the back of the head.
CB will pawn thor... sigh...
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability04-Cold.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability17-Cold284.jpg
the others can gang up on him sure, but then it's not HV doing anything is it? those powers are useless here.
Originally posted by 753
CB will pawn thor... sigh...http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability04-Cold.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability17-Cold284.jpg
the others can gang up on him sure, but then it's not HV doing anything is it? those powers are useless here.
HV is stronger then the Sun. Learn about their powers.
