Strongest foce user

Started by Vensai12 pages

Zonakin probably. He had the potential to dominate Yoda and Sidious with ease if he fell to the Dark Side in the Mortis arc.

I still vote Nihilus.

^ Nihilus is canonically weaker than RotS Sidious. 😬

Most powerful beings are certainly the Ones, Abeloth, this planet that is Force-sensitive (forgot the name), Prime Luke and DE Sidious.

EDIT: Ah, and teh ZonE Anakin for dominating The Son and The Daughter simultaneously

Originally posted by Stigma
^ Nihilus is canonically weaker than RotS Sidious. 😬

And what proves that exactly?

RotS novel.

Plenty of references confirming this you will find also in a famed Palpatine Essay by eminent Gideon.

Also this is pretty conclusive:

"Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history." (Taken from The New Essential Chronology)

As of RotS, Sidious is the most powerful Sith in history.

So, all of a sudden Sidious is immune to Nihilus' unique form of Force Drain?

Barring extremities such as Abeloth and Sekot, I maintain that Legacy era Luke Skywalker is the most powerful Force user to ever live; he's more powerful than DE Sidious, Plagueis, Vitiate, or Yoda.

Vader with Kaiburr Crystal from the "Splinter of the Mind's eye" story in "The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader"/Anakin on Mortis Nexus seen in the "Overlords" Episode of the 4th season of "Star Wars: The Clone Wars"/the N canon Son Anakin seen in from the "Clone Wars: Infinities: What if the Father never rescued Anakin from the Dark Side?" story in "Star Wars: The Clone Wars magazine 7".

Basically, Anakin's full potential.

He'd still fall to the Bedlam Spirits, but they don't use the Force.

The strongest Force user is the Hero of Tython. he

Has to be zonoma sekot right?

Barring extremities such as Abeloth and Sekot,

And the Force-wielders on Mortis for completeness.

I maintain that Legacy era Luke Skywalker is the most powerful Force user to ever live;

When using Oneness, perhaps. But that was like moving the Yuuzhan singularity, it exhausted him.

he's more powerful than DE Sidious, Plagueis, Vitiate, or Yoda.

I think Gethzerion needs mention here, and Nihilus just for completeness.

Now let's talk about potential:

Anakin, as a vergence in the Force, should represent the limit of midi-chlorians a life form can house. With that power, alter abilities are greater, and therefore as Sith his potential is even greater. To that affect, Plagueis had slightly increased his midi-chlorians before he betrayal. If he'd continued to increase them by causing destruction by creating life (creating Anakin to finalize the fall of the Jedi and initiate the dark times); his midi-chlorians would no doubt eventually reach 20,000 per cell and his potential would be as great as Anakin's. But unlike Anakin, Plagueis scientifically scrutinized the Force, as Palpatine exclaimed, he knew "everything there was to know about Force" - at one part in the Novel, Plagueis claims that esoteric abilities such as flight, teleportation, flow walking, invisibility, phasing through solid matter, etc. weren't the intrinsic abilities of sorcerers of the bygone era, but techniques that could be learned by all Sith powerful enough to wield them. Over the centuries, Plagueis would have scientifically discovered all if the techniques, and would have achieved Anakin's full power. What you get is a being much like the Bedlam spirits.

Their is a limit to how powerful a mortal can become.

Luke could never match the likes of (DE) Sidious or (SE) Vitiate in power. No mortal could.

Anakin could become twice as strong as (G-canon) Sidious at maximum.

To give you people an idea, Abeloth was 12 times as strong as Luke. And she possessed the combined might of Son and Daughter. Now, it is not possible for Anakin to be stronger then Abeloth or even Son.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Luke could never match the likes of (DE) Sidious or (SE) Vitiate in power. No mortal could.

Except, you know, when Luke beat DE Palpatine in a duel...

Originally posted by ares834
Except, you know, when Luke beat DE Palpatine in a duel...

Luke just disarmed him with his martial skills. It is possible that Leia was bolstering Luke's capabilities during this event.

Leia's bm unlocked some of luke's potential to defeat palpatine, didn't it? If so, this shows that eventually Luke would reach a level of power to defeat even DE Sidious.

That Luke and Anakin each had the power to surpass Sidious is straight from Lucas. And Anakin's potential is literally without equal.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Leia's bm unlocked some of luke's potential to defeat palpatine, didn't it? If so, this shows that eventually Luke would reach a level of power to defeat even DE Sidious.

Some?

It took the "combined might of 3 Skywalkers" to simply disrupt Sidious's connection with the Force which the latter would have regained eventually.

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Sidious (DE) is vastly different and more powerful then his G-canon incarnation. GL represents only G-canon incarnation of Sidious and his comments are relevant in the light of G-canon ground realities only.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Luke just disarmed him with his martial skills. It is possible that Leia was bolstering Luke's capabilities during this event.

She didn't boost Luke until after he defeated Palpatine in the duel.

Here is what Leia said in the audidrama after Luke has bested Palpatine: "But we can Luke. We can do it. That's what the holocron meant. Let me add my power to yours."

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Their is a limit to how powerful a mortal can become.

Luke could never match the likes of (DE) Sidious or (SE) Vitiate in power. No mortal could.

Vitiate was a part-human, Sith pureblood, Sidious was a human as well. Qui Gon was one of thousands of Jedi to become an immortal Force ghost. Force spirits could only appear when permitted by the will of the Force (Chapter 2 of Heir to the Empire), but still mortality is a transcendental term in the Star Wars Universe.

Anakin was a mortal, and when on Mortis he was able to overpower the combined might of Son and Daughter: and, by consequence, Abeloth as well.

Originally posted by ares834
She didn't boost Luke until after he defeated Palpatine in the duel.

Here is what Leia said in the audidrama [b]after Luke has bested Palpatine: "But we can Luke. We can do it. That's what the holocron meant. Let me add my power to yours." [/B]

Sidious was away from Byss, and foolishly rushed Zonakin level Luke Skywalker without thinking. Outside of Byss at that point, he wasn't that much greater than he was in ROTS or ark Times (having the dark side turned back upon him within his Sith lightning in his battle with Dooku) after receiving his final boost - but his spirit had been strengthened from death and he had partially absorbed the essences of millions of his subjects on Byss.

There's no way Luke could have matched Sidious without Leia's help. As Plagueis said, "The Force Provides"; and Sidious was stronger in the Force. The Force enhances physical stats, greater power, greater stats.

Just like the 30 Jedi allowed Dorsk 81 to obliterate a fleet of 17 Imperial-II Class Star Destroyers, Leia allowed Luke to tap into far greater abilities than otherwise possible to augment his physical stats.

That, combined with his form mimicry familiarization of Sidious' form, and his innate shatterpoint, he defeated an opponent who still wielded slightly superior stats.

Yet Luke had no defense for the long-forgotten techniques used by Exar Kun; and, according to the DE Sourcebook, Sidious could have embodied Luke Skywalker and expelled the Jedi's spirit when he fell under the influence of the dark side due to Sidious' Force corrupted. That probably would have made all the difference in the world. Without Luke, Sidious would have been able to brain-wash Leia as well.