Strongest foce user

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What this genius doesn't realizes is that this assertion doesn't fits in EU.

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Anakin cannot become the most powerful Force-user in history! Period. Luke had similar potential and he is still heavily outclassed by some entities and/or individuals in power.

Anakin would have been about twice as powerful as Sidious were he to have reached his true potential. No other ordinary Force User is that powerful. Period.

Only the One's and other God-like entities are beyond that and I sincerely doubt Tempest or the website was including them.

Either way, you can't just deny the official star wars website because it doesn't fit into your view of the EU.

No, I am including all Force users with the possible exception of Abeloth.

Even Bandon? 😬

Let's not get hasty. Brandon doesn't so much use the Force as he permits it to exist independent of his own divine powers.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Anakin would have been about twice as powerful as Sidious were he to have reached his true potential. No other ordinary Force User is that powerful. Period.

Sidious (DE) is an entity much like Tenebrae (Sith Emperor). These individuals did not rely upon biological means such as Midichlorian count to draw strength from; they siphoned energies from other sources to fuel their power instead. These two are unnatural like entities.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Only the One's and other God-like entities are beyond that and I sincerely doubt Tempest or the website was including them.

Either way, you can't just deny the official star wars website because it doesn't fit into your view of the EU.

How is being G-canon Sidious a detriment to Anakins potential? It only shows how insanely powerful he could have been.

LOL, I'm responding to a 3-year-old post...

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Strongest raw power: Palpatine. The kind of sheer energy needed to create the Force Storm, and to fine-tune to a teleporter is amazing. Marek's got nothin'.

Although Palpatine's Form storms stand as perhaps the most impressive feats in the mythos, one must remember that the fact that Palpatine needed to develop an entirely new Force ability indicates that he cannot replicate the feat using mere telekinesis or lightning. So it's dubious as to whether his "raw power" exceeds that of, say, Luke or Kyp, who manipulate dorvin basals with raw telekinesis.

Nihilus' raising a fleet out of a gravity well is a second, I'd say. Though, again, not enough details.

IIRC, don't we only know this through pathological-liar Traya?

For all we know, he just used tractor beams.

The ancient sith's feats are apocryphal like that.

Strongest potential: Anakin. Lucas has made that clear.

Luke insinuates, and Kyp even claims in NJO, that Durron has more potential than Luke Skywalker...but it looks like that's been retconned.

Strongest Potential realized: Technically, the dustmite that reaches its full potential is strongest. This one's too ambiguous.

I think the OP's referring to the most powerful any Force user actually became, so I suppose "potential" was simply faulty wording.

...or not, given the "strongest overall" category.

I'd point to Luke, Palpatine, Yoda and the [which you didn't know existed] Sith Emperor.

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I'd add in the categories "most prodigious learner" and "widest Force knowledge", and nominate Luke Skywalker for the former, and Odan Urr, Vitiate, Palpatine and Yoda for the latter.

Originally posted by Master Han
IIRC, don't we only know this through pathological-liar Traya?

For all we know, he just used tractor beams.

The ancient sith's feats are apocryphal like that.

No. A loading screen, Colonel Tobin and the Kotor Campaign Guide all confirm that Nihilus raised it from the surface.

Nihilus didn't command any fleets or ships before then, so he couldn't have done that.

Not all of them. Exar Kun performed a similar feat to Nihilus with a 215 meter long ship and according to Khem Val, Tulak Hord once pulled a ship roughly 315 meters long out of the sky.

And a bunch of nigh-untrained neophytes focus-pushed an entire fleet of Star Destroyers perhaps upward of a lightyear away in what is probably one of the first examples of overpowered feats in the EU.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And a bunch of nigh-untrained neophytes focus-pushed an entire fleet of Star Destroyers perhaps upward of a lightyear away in what is probably one of the first examples of overpowered feats in the EU.

Um, firstly you're referring to the Jedi who drew power from the temples on Yavin IV to unleash energies so great, one of their members die as a side effect.

Secondly, IIRC it wasn't a lightyear, but "merely" out of the solar system.

Thirdly, given that any arbitrary impetus would carry an object in space "away" from the solar system so long as it reaches the star's escape velocity (or less, if we don't take the condition as permanent), the feat is really only impressive if:

a) the ship was close to the star or some significant gravitational field
b) the star destroyer's engines were operational, and the push was so great, it overpowered its multi-thousand G thrust capabilities, rather than disabling it ESB ion cannon style.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No. A loading screen, Colonel Tobin and the Kotor Campaign Guide all confirm that Nihilus raised it from the surface.

Nihilus didn't command any fleets or ships before then, so he couldn't have done that.

Not all of them. Exar Kun performed a similar feat to Nihilus with a 215 meter long ship and according to Khem Val, Tulak Hord once pulled a ship roughly 315 meters long out of the sky.

Well then, time to come up with mental gymnastics to reconcile these feats with Yoda's struggle-to-stop-a-pillar scene.

Good luck. It was revealed in The Jedi Path, that the Jedi have a set of seven stones called the Muntuur stones that are used to test telekinetic ability. Yoda says that he's only able to lift 5 of these stones after he turned 700.

The kicker? The heaviest stone is only 5 tons, meaning that at his best Yoda can only lift 25 tons, likely a lot less. 😉

Originally posted by Nephthys
Good luck. It was revealed in The Jedi Path, that the Jedi have a set of seven stones called the Muntuur stones that are used to test telekinetic ability. Yoda says that he's only able to lift 5 of these stones after he turned 700.

The kicker? The heaviest stone is only 5 tons, meaning that at his best Yoda can only lift 25 tons, likely a lot less. 😉

That's...got to be the biggest pile of crap I've ever read. I'm exaggerating, of course. 😕

I suppose whoever invented that concept forgot all about Sidious' flinging of senate pods like toys in RotS. I suppose he's orders of magnitude stronger than Yoda now? 😆

Originally posted by Nephthys
Exar Kun performed a similar feat to Nihilus with a 215 meter long ship

When?

Its says so in the Kotor Campaign Guide, under Derriphan-class battleship: 'During the Great Sith War, Exar Kun would raise the ship and put it back into service, similar to the way Nihilus would raise the Ravager from the ruined surface of Malachor V.'

- pg. 163

I remember Kun finding an ancient Sith battleship from when I read those comics a few years ago, but I don't recall how he raised it. Given the mention of Nihilus though.....

Originally posted by Master Han
That's...got to be the biggest pile of crap I've ever read. I'm exaggerating, of course. 😕

I suppose whoever invented that concept forgot all about Sidious' flinging of senate pods like toys in RotS. I suppose he's orders of magnitude stronger than Yoda now? 😆

I know. I chortled when I read it. I can't wait to use that puppy in a thread.

The senate pods are a lot less than 25 tons. Its still pretty heavy, but nowhere near what a Jedi like Yoda should be capable of.

I suppose it's more a matter of having to control multiple stones simultaneously than sheer weight, given that Yoda stops that giant pillar that probably weighs more than the stones (only the heaviest one is five tons).

Im going to try to make a list.

1.The Son
2.The Daughter
3.Sidious
4.Yoda
5.Plagueis
6.Sith Emperor
7.Vader
8.Revan(not sure)
9.Darth Krayt
10.Darth Bane(not sure)

What y'all think of my list?. Not sure on everything on it to be honest. Anyfeedback or suggestions!?.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its says so in the Kotor Campaign Guide, under Derriphan-class battleship: 'During the Great Sith War, Exar Kun would raise the ship and put it back into service, similar to the way Nihilus would raise the Ravager from the ruined surface of Malachor V.'

- pg. 163

I remember Kun finding an ancient Sith battleship from when I read those comics a few years ago, but I don't recall how he raised it. Given the mention of Nihilus though.....

Hmm, interesting. I believe I have the TotJ comics somewhere... I'll have to check this out.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Im going to try to make a list.

1.The Son
2.The Daughter
3.Sidious
4.Yoda
5.Plagueis
6.Sith Emperor
7.Vader
8.Revan(not sure)
9.Darth Krayt
10.Darth Bane(not sure)

Shouldn't The Father be at the top?

Originally posted by Master Han
I suppose it's more a matter of having to control multiple stones simultaneously than sheer weight, given that Yoda stops that giant pillar that probably weighs more than the stones (only the heaviest one is five tons).

What about that scene in the clone wars when he lifts about a thousand droids into the air?

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Im going to try to make a list.

1.The Son
2.The Daughter
3.Sidious
4.Yoda
5.Plagueis
6.Sith Emperor
7.Vader
8.Revan(not sure)
9.Darth Krayt
10.Darth Bane(not sure)

Hmmm.

In terms of pure, raw Force power:

1. Zonama Sekot
2. The Father
3. The Siblings
4. Abeloth
5. Unuthul
6. Luke Skywalker
7. Palpatine
8. Kyp Durron
9. Yoda
10. Plagueis
11. Sith Emperor
12. Caedus
13. Vader
14. Revan
15. Satele Shan
16. Revan
17. Bane
18. Malgus
...
I probably forgot a few names, and there are a few unknowns such as Nomi Sunrider that are suggested to be extremely powerful, and some of the later part of my list are quite arbitrary (ie., Vader above Exar Kun), but oh well.