Originally posted by RobtardWow, where should I begin with this? First off, Greek fire was not used by Spartans, but by Byzantines. Secondly, if we are talking about the "battle of thermopylae-based" Spartans, then those soldiers lived in the fourth century BC, while Greek Fire was invented in 672 AD. In other words, arguement completely disproved, GTFO, ty, goodbye. Oh and pirates take this by a long shot due to cannons that will blast right through bronze shields.
Four words:Greek fire.
Gentlemen gentlemen, it's quite obvious what would occur. Pirates were equipped with two swords, a batarang and most likely a nerf gun. The Spartans however were equipped with the finest military technology of the time, seven throwing dildo's and of course who could ever forget ... well thats another story entirely.
The Sparts could conceivebly catch the cannon balls throw them back, (or ride on top of them), and even walk on the water while dodging/throwing back bullets. The pirates would be back against a corner (the world is flat) and would have no choice but to go over the edge.
Case Closed.
Originally posted by Amazing Vrayo!!
Wow, where should I begin with this? First off, Greek fire was not used by Spartans, but by Byzantines. Secondly, if we are talking about the "battle of thermopylae-based" Spartans, then those soldiers lived in the fourth century BC, while Greek Fire was invented in 672 AD. In other words, arguement completely disproved, GTFO, ty, goodbye. Oh and pirates take this by a long shot due to cannons that will blast right through bronze shields.
Two words:
Ha, fail.
Re: Buccaneer Caribbean Pirate vs A Spartan
Originally posted by Wild ShadowThe spartans are on the beach and the pirates get their ship.
battle takes place on the sandy beaches of Greece herself... high noon..1. 1 on 1
2. the famous 300 spartans and army who fought cercis vs The pirates and ship
this is not the movie versions by the way i am just using their images b/c it looks cool
how in gods name are the spartans going to get the ship?
Pirates are smart. Sail along the beach, blasting the asshats with your cannons.
On a side note, did anyone else name their ships in "Sid Meier's Pirates" "the brown floater," and "it's a butt, a big butt?"
Originally posted by Robtard
What if this hypothetical fights takes place during Japan's Sakoku era? Didn't think about that, did ya, smart-guy.
They'd grab a guy from France and tie a rope around him. Then toss him onto the Japanese shoreline and quickly pull him back. With luck a few katanas would get stuck in his body as the Sakoku period xenophobes stab at him.
Repeat until you have a canon load of katanas to fire at the Spartans.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They'd grab a guy from France and tie a rope around him. Then toss him onto the Japanese shoreline and quickly pull him back. With luck a few katanas would get stuck in his body as the Sakoku period xenophobes stab at him.Repeat until you have a canon load of katanas to fire at the Spartans.
That actually might work, especially if it's a fat Frenchmen. I'd make the rope out of Adamantium though, wouldn't want to lose a good Frenchmen to a cut rope in the process.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
okay.. here we go the 1on1 is at the beach the other fight is their famous last stand at the hot gates vs a pirate ship near the shore and however many pirates want to get off and engage them in battle..
you really haven't given a way for the Spartans to counter cannon bombardment or gunfire. Its possible that the Greeks had access to arrows that would have been more accurate at a greater range than the pirate firearms, but the cannons on the ship would be devastating.
Originally posted by Enyalusin a comic or movie yes, historically i would say no.. i guess if you can claim they were drunken cowards or were physically inferior somehow as an equivalent sure....
WS, are the pirates subjected to the ninja rule?
for now lets say the pirate ship is captain by black beard.
@inimanist
what about the walls the hot gates for protection?
Originally posted by inimalist
you really haven't given a way for the Spartans to counter cannon bombardment or gunfire. Its possible that the Greeks had access to arrows that would have been more accurate at a greater range than the pirate firearms, but the cannons on the ship would be devastating.
Have you seen Gerard's abs? No canon is getting through that.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
@inimanistwhat about the walls the hot gates for protection?
well, I don't know for sure, but I'm going to assume that siege munitions from the 16-1700s would be apt at destroying walls and gates from ~500BC.
Even if it did offer some protection, there is no way for the Spartans to launch an effective counter attack against the ship, and I'd still give open combat to the pirates (most are militarily trained, carry guns, and have 2000 years of military tactics to fall back on).
Originally posted by inimalist
well, I don't know for sure, but I'm going to assume that siege munitions from the 16-1700s would be apt at destroying walls and gates from ~500BC.
Originally posted by inimalist
Even if it did offer some protection, there is no way for the Spartans to launch an effective counter attack against the ship, and I'd still give open combat to the pirates (most are militarily trained, carry guns, and have 2000 years of military tactics to fall back on).
Meh, don't fall back on the 2,000 years of tactics deal. Remember that because of the Fall of Rome and the Dark Ages, progress in most areas was set back about a thousand years. I mean, in the Peloponnesian War the Spartans used flamethrowers in their sieges against the Athenians.
But the rest of it, I totally agree with you. Buccaneers usually carried two cutlasses with them, and between 2 to 6 flintlock pistols and/or blunderbusses (the Renaissance's equivalent of a hand-shotgun). Dudes were strapped.
Also, the Spartans at Thermopylae had helots who threw javelins and used slingshots, but they didn't have any archers with them and thus no way at all of attacking the ship or its canons from long-distance.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Meh, don't fall back on the 2,000 years of tactics deal. Remember that because of the Fall of Rome and the Dark Ages, progress in most areas was set back about a thousand years.
in Eurpoe
by the age of pirates, however, much of what had been advanced in the Muslim world during the dark ages (not very aptly named though, as there was a great deal going on during those times, even within Eurpoe), as far as naval technology and warfare would have spread to Eurpoe.
The most telling evidence for the fact that Spartan tactics were outdated comes from the fact that they were abandoned by Eurpoeans and Muslims in favor of more developed military ideas. If the Franks really wanted Spartan soldiers, it was well within their power to do so, the fact is, they just had better.
/sigh, dark ages
Originally posted by Enyalus
I mean, in the Peloponnesian War the Spartans used flamethrowers in their sieges against the Athenians.
considering fire is one of the oldest technologies known to man, that it was employed in battle in ancient times is hardly surprising.
Im also sure the disadvantages of flame based combat were as apparent 2000 years ago as it is today.