Grifter & Midnighter V.S. Deadpool & Wolverine

Originally posted by Mindset
He predicts scenarios, has he ever calculated scenarios against someone that is just as likely to kick you in the face as he is to blow up half his body to hurt you?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Well, he doesn't read opponents he runs simulations on his head. He can run all the simulations he'd like, with Deadpool in play he won't have run nearly enough. All the simulations he runs are going to end with Wolverine winning anyway.

Originally posted by the ninjak
LOL just because you have the ability to easily dodge a tank shell appear on top of the tank and kill the guy inside, doesn't mean that Wade would attempt to relocate said shell while in mid air and guide it towards another tank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Midnighter did it because of his precog.....why would Wade trouble himself?

All the precog in the world isn't going to allow your foot the ability to kick a fired tank shell back into a tank. Mantis might possibly do it. But trying to detract from her speed and strength is as stupid as trying to detract from Midnighter's. Drop the pretense.

Originally posted by Mindset
He predicts scenarios, has he ever calculated scenarios against someone that is just as likely to kick you in the face as he is to blow up half his body to hurt you?

Exactly.

And Danger does the same thing as Midnighter, only she had years of data on Wolverine's tactics to use as a basis in compiling of her battle scenarios, and yet he still managed to beat her (and Ord at the same time), in their second throw down.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Fine, let's be cute.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
All the precog in the world isn't going to allow your foot the ability to kick a fired tank shell back into a tank. Mantis might possibly do it. But trying to detract from her speed and strength is as stupid as trying to detract from Midnighter's. Drop the pretense.

Except Midnighter has never, before or since, displayed anywhere near the strength or speed he would have been show casing in that feat. Which makes it pretty likely that it is more timing in conjunction with his "precog," than it was pure speed feat.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Exactly.

And Danger does the same thing as Midnighter, only she had years of data on Wolverine's tactics to use as a basis in compiling of her battle scenarios, and yet he still managed to beat her (and Ord at the same time), in their second throw down.

Please.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Except Midnighter has never, before or since, displayed either the strength or speed he would have been show casing in that feat. Which makes it pretty likely that it is more timing in conjunction with his "precog," than it was pure speed feat.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So essentially Wade not wanting to karate chop a fired tank shell back into a tank = Wade having the reflexes/speed necessary to karate cop a fired tank shell back into a tank.

All the precog in the world isn't going to allow your foot the ability to kick a fired tank shell back into a tank. Mantis might possibly do it. But trying to detract from her speed and strength is as stupid as trying to detract from Midnighter's. Drop the pretense.

What are you talking about!!!!

These guys wrote that Midnighter has punched a shell into another direction using his precog.....I responded that Wade although faster than Midnighter doesn't have the unique ability to punch a tank shell another direction but instead would evade the shell appear on top of the tank and kill the pilot.

Do you comprehend! I never witnessed the feat myself 🙂

Originally posted by the ninjak
What are you talking about!!!!

These guys wrote that Midnighter has punched a shell into another direction using his precog.....I responded that Wade although faster than Midnighter doesn't have the unique ability to punch a tank shell another direction but instead would evade the shell appear on top of the tank and kill the pilot.

Do you comprehend!

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by the ninjak
What are you talking about!!!!

These guys wrote that Midnighter has punched a shell into another direction using his precog.....I responded that Wade although faster than Midnighter doesn't have the unique ability to punch a tank shell another direction but instead would evade the shell appear on top of the tank and kill the pilot.

Do you comprehend!

Deadpool choosing not to karate chop a fired tank shell back into a tank =/= Deadpool being able to karate chop a fired tank shell back into a tank =/= Deadpool being as fast or faster than Midnighter.

At. All.

Originally posted by KingD19
Exactly, he was fast enough to kick a tank shell out of the air, at another tank.

This 🙁

Cmon guys Wade can't do that! All I have ever written is that instead he would jump on the tank and kill the guy. And yes he is faster. Just that he can't do that.....because it is stupid.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Danger's simulations which are based off of recorded Danger Room sessions which half the time stomp Wolverine cold =/= Midnighter's battle CPU which isn't based on past recorded data of training sessions.

Please.

Yeah, Danger has pre-existing data already to which to run her simulations, Midnighter doesn't. Which means Danger is going to get 100% useful scenarios based on the potential actions of her opponent, Midnighter is going to get a bunch of trash along with the helpful stuff. If you think Dangers simulations aren't better than Midnighers (as far as the X-Men are concerned at least), you are lying to your self.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Please. Yes, he has. You ignoring them doesn't mean they don't exist. Unilaterally dismissing everything he does doesn't diminish the significance of the feat. Neither does it diminish similar feats by Mantis even if you want to somehow chalk it up to pure precog. Mantis would kick the crap out of these two also.

Like what? Name them.

Mantis has admitted she can't beat Karnak in a fight, she isn't going to beat Wolverine or Deadpool. Her precog will just give her a heads up to how she is going to lose.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yeah, Danger has pre-existing data already to which to run her simulations, Midnighter doesn't. Which means Danger is going to get 100% useful scenarios based on the potential actions of her opponent, Midnighter is going to get a bunch of trash along with the helpful stuff. If you think Dangers simulations aren't better than Midnighers (as far as the X-Men are concerned at least), you are lying to your self.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I never witnessed the feat myself 🙂

Originally posted by Digi
This is an extremely sweet fight between MN’er and a group of armored tanks. Among other things, he drop-kicks a tank shell away from himself and blocks machine-gun fire with his staff.
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Why didn't the shell blow up when he kicked it?

Obviously he used magic.

Not a speed feat.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
facepalm Here:

What's your point dude? Deadpool doesn't have precog. Midnighter's ability to run scernarios of a moving Tank shell has nothing to do with
Wade's skillset.

I hate how you quote me then reply that I stated the opposite.

Originally posted by Mindset
Why didn't the shell blow up when he kicked it?

Obviously he used magic.

Not a speed feat.

LOL I know he even kicks it in the opposite direction.......Just Stupid.

^ Wade not having Midnighter's simulative precognition =/= Wade being as fast or faster than Midnighter physically.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Like what? Name them.

Mantis has admitted she can't beat Karnak in a fight, she isn't going to beat Wolverine or Deadpool. Her precog will just give her a heads up to how she is going to lose.

Mantis being wrong doesn't stop her from being able to physically outrun shotgun shells. You disbelieving Midnighter kicking a tank shell back into a tank doesn't stop him from using whatever attributes you'd like to pigeon-hole that feat as representing, (e.g., pure pre-cog or strength/durability or skill or just plain reflexes) as just another reason to stomp these two characters.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Wade not having Midnighter's simulative precognition =/= Wade being as fast or faster than Midnighter physically.

Your logic is flawed. Just because Midnighter has enhanced speed and precog doesn't mean he is faster than everybody else without precog!

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Danger's simulations were already flawed from the very beginning which is specifically explicated in her first fight. She extrapolates everything from training sessions. And even she was able to adjust that flawed source data and stomp Wolverine half the time. Midnighter doesn't need to start from source data flawed from its start. Acting like Midnighter's battle cpu doesn't kick the crap out of other supercomputer programs is ludicrous. facepalm Here:

And she re-calibrated the parameters and fixed her scenario simulations, on the fly. Danger doesn't "need" to start from "flawed" data either, she does because the data is already available to her, making her calculations more accurate. Acting like Danger is just another supercomputer is ludicrous. She can do anything Midnighter can do, only better.

^ She's a supercomputer that was specifically programmed to train and simulate danger scenarios. All her data is based on training sessions. Acting like her computer processes are interchangeable with Midnighter's when their base information isn't even the same is as ridiculous as suggesting that Sentinels' cpu's are the same as either Danger's or Midnighter's.

And even then, that'd get you as far as Danger stomping Wolverine half the time. This is your winning argument? Really?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Wade not having Midnighter's simulative precognition =/= Wade being as fast or faster than Midnighter physically. This dubious fact inquiry coming from the guy who can't even accept a dozen penetrations of Wolverine's brain on-panel? Drop the pretense. You demanding proof of me is as useless as t1ts on a bull. Seriously. Drop the pretense.

Mantis being wrong doesn't stop her from being able to physically outrun shotgun shells. You disbelieving Midnighter kicking a tank shell back into a tank doesn't stop him from using whatever attributes you'd like to pigeon-hole that feat as representing, (e.g., pure pre-cog or strength/durability or skill or just plain reflexes) as just another reason to stomp these two characters.

Half a dozen examples, and the illegitimacy of them has all been explained to you many of times.

I don't disbelieve Midnighter can kick a tank shell back at a tank. I just don't think it had anything to do with strength because if it did it would have exploded, or speed, because he has never displayed that level of speed before or sense. It's something in the same vein as an Amadeus Cho calculation feat or something similar.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

And even then, that'd get you as far as Danger stomping Wolverine half the time. This is your winning argument? Really?

She was the Danger Room! cept when she was the room she had programming that forced her to never kill her opponents otherwise the programming would shut down. When freed Danger owned the Xmen with flawless execution she knew all their moves and processed scenarios to easily win.
Midnighter has no previous knowledge of his opponents let alone complete databanks like Danger did.