Johnny Sorrow
Silent actor
Joke thread.
Originally posted by Mindset
I'm well aware of what everyone is capable of.Both DP and Wolverine have fought superhumans above the level MN has. No, he can not read them like books, especially a fighter like Deadpool. You're overrating MN. 😬
Grifter's tk isn't strong enough to make much of a difference in this fight.
Actually you don't. I've been reading about Midnighter since he was first introduced in Stormwatch volume 2. I know perfectly well who he would win and lose against. Deadpool and Wolverine don't have telepathy, technology advanced enough to disable his enhancements, sheer power, enough speed to hit him faster than he can react, real precog, or better calculations. Deadpool being random doesn't mean jack, because that's not how the battle computer works anyway.
Originally posted by Mindset
He predicts scenarios, has he ever calculated scenarios against someone that is just as likely to kick you in the face as he is to blow up half his body to hurt you?
Yes, that's the point of running millions of battle simulations constantly throughout a fight. It's allowed him to battle thousands of opponents at once. He doesn't predict scenarios.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Like what? Name them.Mantis has admitted she can't beat Karnak in a fight, she isn't going to beat Wolverine or Deadpool. Her precog will just give her a heads up to how she is going to lose.
Really? Did you actually read that issue of Guardians of the Galaxy? She said that Karnak would eventually beat her in roughly 2.5 minutes, if he was conscious. And then she proceeded to whoop his ass. Most characters with precog (which MN doesn't have BTW) use it to avoid the situations they foresee.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Half a dozen examples, and the illegitimacy of them has all been explained to you many of times.I don't disbelieve Midnighter can kick a tank shell back at a tank. I just don't think it had anything to do with strength because if it did it would have exploded, or speed, because he has never displayed that level of speed before or sense. It's something in the same vein as an Amadeus Cho calculation feat or something similar.
Really?
Can you imagine how much force it takes to reverse the momentum of a fired tank shell? If a normal human cannot do it, even if we grant him the necessary reflexes and the battle computer. His flesh wouldn't have the durability to withstand contact with the shell. Obviously it takes timing to not detonate it, and speed to even comprehend and coordinate his reflexes. Yes, he has demonstrated speed like that a few times. He can force his body to move extremely fast, but not for an extended period of time.
Amadeus Cho did something like that once. He redirected a laser-guided missile using a car's side-view mirror. And it wasn't the same thing at all. No physical force was required.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She was created to kill and then caged actually. Her own words I believe. She's a sentient Shi'ar supercomputer computer combined with best earth tech can offer. You'd like to believe that for some reason Midnighter's runs better or more accurate scenarios, but you don't really have anything to base that off. According to Midnighter himself 5 winning scenarios his what he usually ends up with. Thats his average... 5 wins... and he runs a million/billion scenarios a second/minute (that all varies). Thats a lot of loses. I'd say he is coming up with a lot of trash if thats his batting average... especially considering he only fights no name Z List rip offs of established characters. Certainly nothing that gives me the impression that he runs better or more competent calculations than Danger.Anyway I was just comparing the ability to run simulations not the characters. Danger is a much more powerful and versatile opponent than Midnighter is, and yet Wolverine has still manged beat her in combat.
Wow. Misconstruing facts again.
You are referencing one fight specifically. He comments that his opponents were so good that he could only find 5 scenarios in which they die and he survives. Guess what? He still beat them. Pin in your balloon.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cho doesn't need to head butt a tank shell. Anyway, the means are inconsequential, if Cho wanted to reflect that shell back, he'd do it with super math regardless of his strength or speed. Midnighter has [b]never displayed anything remotely close to the type of strength or speed he would need to kick a tank shell back, which makes it pretty likely that it was a showcase of his battle computer calculations. But hey, maybe it isn't, maybe its just PIS, because its one or the other.Only he hasn't run better simulations. He runs billions of scenarios, and comes out with 5 possible wins. That is horrible. That is less than a fraction of a percent, and that is just the average amount of wins. Sometimes he comes up short of that average, when he was surrounded by three SAS soldiers with guns trained on him he couldn't come up with single situation where he won. The guys he is fighting 99/100 aren't X-Men caliber or even close for that matter, they are nobody fodder that can't even hang with Swift.
What makes you think he is even going to be able to come up with one possible win scenario for either Wolverine or Deadpool? They are both leagues above the dredge he usually fights that he averages 5 wins for. Even if he comes up with one scenario where he wins, what makes you think he is going to have any luck stringing Deadpool along to fight the way he wants? Does that sound at all likely to you? I mean, sure its fine when you spend your days fighting nobody fodder, who are all eager to dance to whatever tune you play for them, but it is much less likely that either Wolverine or Deadpool will. I mean, the last time Midnighter fought Grifter it was a stalemate, so what? He can't get Grifter to dance to his tune, but he is going to get Wolverine and Deadpool to? Thats pretty absurd. Hawksmoor can melee (I said melee, I'm not talking about his other powers, which obviously would rage stomp Midnighter) with Midnighter, he doesn't have anywhere close to the speed, skill or damage soak Wolverine or Deadpool do... but for some reason Midnighter is going to dance around Wolverine and Deadpool without getting touched? Unlikely.
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Nice job trying to low-ball a character for no apparent reason. I've already explained why your '5 wins' rant makes no sense, but I guess you can run with it until you crash and burn.
Yeah, Jack sure hasn't shown the strength to tussle with Midnighter. That explains why he's punching peoples' heads off in the Carrier, which only supports his city-based technology instead of letting him manipulate the Carrier himself. He is an excellent fighter without being in a city.
Let's also forget that Midnighter has an advanced healing factor, two hearts, the ability to deaden pain, enhancements that let him see other superhuman enhancements, and flesh described to be like concrete. Or that he's destroyed teams of superhumans handily when his battle computer was disabled. Or that he's moved faster than a speedster could see.
He's not street-level.
