DBZ more powerful than you think...

First of all carver, I applaud your attempt to use quote tags, however, you still screwed it up. Maybe with a little more practice you'll get it down. Anyway:

So with this statement you are admitting that Despero and Vulcan is faster than Goku since they both have space flight achieving over light speed?

Basing on that scan you posted of Despero, we can't say that, as there is no clear indication of distance or time. Based on Vulcan's confirmed feats of outrunning the Shi'ar armada and intercepting and battling the Inhuman robots in hyperspace, yes, he is faster.

If you answer is yes, I will be waiting on those speed feats.

I already posted them in the other thread.

Everyone on the comic book forum already stated that you were crazy for even THINKING that Vulcan can combat at light speed because of space flight.

No, what they said was that they doubted that the bullet was faster than light. I posted scans of him fighting while moving faster than light.

By the way, astner had it on point, that is EXACTLY what I am trying to say. [/B]

No, he's saying something completely different to what you're saying, if you're really trying to say the same thing then you are simply terrible at expressing yourself.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He was already inside the source of the explosion, so he couldn't have dodged it, really all he had to do was outrun the detonation velocity, which is unknown. Although if we compare it to real life explosions, the maximum would be around 10km/s. That's fast, but nowhere near lightspeed. And what the hell do you mean "light travels at one millionth of a second?" That's a completely meaningless statement unless you say how far. You're simply making things up.

Furthermore, comparing it to a nuclear explosion is fallacious, although since it might be comparable in scale and power, the mechanism is completely different. You're talking about nuclear fusion, which happens by causing a chain reaction in atoms, but there were no fusing atoms in that incident, just a sphere of ki, which has unknown properties. In addition, atoms don't fuse faster than the speed of light, as nothing real life moves faster than light. Finally, if I was trying to outrun a nuclear detonation, I wouldn't have to clear the entire blast radius before the atoms even started to fuse, I would merely have to keep ahead of the shockwave before it reached me. Like I said, that would be pretty fast, like mach 29, but still nowhere close to lightspeed.

So you think Superman can outrun a atomic blast while being in the center of it?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
First of all carver, I applaud your attempt to use quote tags, however, you still screwed it up. Maybe with a little more practice you'll get it down. Anyway:

Basing on that scan you posted of Despero, we can't say that, as there is no clear indication of distance or time. Based on Vulcan's confirmed feats of outrunning the Shi'ar armada and intercepting and battling the Inhuman robots in hyperspace, yes, he is faster.

I already posted them in the other thread.

No, what they said was that they doubted that the bullet was faster than light. I posted scans of him fighting while moving faster than light.

No, he's saying something completely different to what you're saying, if you're really trying to say the same thing then you are simply terrible at expressing yourself.

Mike, I dont know what to say about you. Its funny how you think Vulcan is as fast as Goku or hell, you are even saying that he is faster.

Now that is some funny sh**. You are making yourself look bad Mike.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
First of all carver, I applaud your attempt to use quote tags, however, you still screwed it up. Maybe with a little more practice you'll get it down. Anyway:

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You smug SOB.

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@ endless mike... I know what the hell im talking about light travels .186 miles at one millionth of second. Atomic bombs explode at least at a billionth of a second. Goku was more than .186 miles away from the explosion.

Originally posted by carver9
So you think Superman can outrun a atomic blast while being in the center of it?

He has actually done just that.

@ endless mike... I know what the hell im talking about light travels .186 miles at one millionth of second. Atomic bombs explode at least at a billionth of a second. Goku was more than .186 miles away from the explosion.

Let's use metric, shall we? It's so much easier.

Light travels ~ 299.8 meters/second. Are you insinuating that a nuclear explosion actually occurs and the shockwave expands, fully covering the blast radius, in 1 billionth of a second? If we say the radius is only 1 km, then that still means that the shockwave would be moving at over 33 times the speed of light! Obviously that's not right. Nothing in real life is faster than light.

Here, look at this website: http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/abombs.html

The exposure rate of these pictures is 10 nanoseconds (that's 10 times as long as you're claiming the entire explosion takes) and in that time we can get a still image with no exposure delay.

You can see later on in the page that the fireball is only 100 feet in diameter after one - thousandth of a second (which is a million times longer than you're claiming the entire explosion takes). Of course, due to air resistance and the power of the explosion being spread out over a wide area, the shockwave actually gets slower as it goes on. So yes, outrunning something like that is fast, just nowhere close to lightspeed.

Of course the whole thing is irrelevant because that was not a nuclear explosion.

Dear god this is sad.

Carver im actually using you for a paper on logical fallacies for my English class. Of course it wont only be about you but you will be cited and credited

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He has actually done just that.

In Space.

[quote]"Semi-perfect cell destroy king kai planet. king kai planet is 10 times more dense than earth. 10 times more dense equals 10 times the mass."

Denser? It has ten times the gravity, when was it stated to be ten times as dense? And the reason for its gravity certainly was not its mass, the planet is smaller than some homes.[/quote]
Umm... wut?

Pretty sure that gravity is determined by mass for objects not traveling at relativistic speeds. This isn't even close to a rebuttal.

Originally posted by carver9
In Space.

Actually he was in a planet and outran it as it was exploding. Of course your idea of "everyone magically gets a billion times faster in space" is stupid to begin with.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Denser? It has ten times the gravity, when was it stated to be ten times as dense? And the reason for its gravity certainly was not its mass, the planet is smaller than some homes.

Pretty sure that gravity is determined by mass for objects not traveling at relativistic speeds. This isn't even close to a rebuttal. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, I actually did some math on it, but got stuck when I was supposed to simplify with gravatational constant and other factors.

King Kai's planet would have to be really dense, for sure. Very very dense, in fact. But not 10X more massive than Earth: no where near that, actually.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Actually he was in a planet and outran it as it was exploding. Of course your idea of "everyone magically gets a billion times faster in space" is stupid to begin with.

Show me the scan of him outracing a nuke "point blank" on a planet. Superman admitted during Mongul training that earths gravity takes its toll on his power. Do you have anything showing that this statement of his doesnt include his speed?

Have we excepted that some Z Fighters were faster than light yet?

If so that's the first step. Goku could dodge a lightning bolt with a power level of 180, his power level was 150 million as a super saiyan in the Frieza Saga.

Some saiyans could sustain themselves in space using their ki. Take the strongest unfused saiyan, Broli, he could do it at birth.

Broli non-canon, 'Being faster than lightning' could be a figure of speech, and nope, can't accept they are faster than light when they have no proof.

Originally posted by Kento
Broli non-canon, 'Being faster than lightning' could be a figure of speech, and nope, can't accept they are faster than light when they have no proof.

You don't need proof to imagine how fast they are you're just saying give proof" cause it's a trend apparently.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me the scan of him outracing a nuke "point blank" on a planet. Superman admitted during Mongul training that earths gravity takes its toll on his power. Do you have anything showing that this statement of his doesnt include his speed?

He was inside of a planet, and experiencing its full gravity. He still cleared the thing ahead of the explosion.

Originally posted by MasterMyOwnMind
You don't need proof to imagine how fast they are you're just saying give proof" cause it's a trend apparently.

Originally posted by Kento
😆 Yea lets go with that.

Here are the scans you wanted.

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+26&page=131

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+26&page=132

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+26&page=133

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+26&page=133

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+26&page=134

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+26&page=135

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Broly could tank that blast and he was fast enough to escape it as well.

Broly was better than the original super, one thousand years more evolved than Goku, I can only image that the half saiyans will eventually produce an even more power fighter, it may be Goku's very own descendant, of omniversal magnitudes.

🤨 When did I ask for that? And that really kinda proves nothing.