Superman Vs Captain Marvel

Originally posted by cdtm
Cherry picked scans, devoid of context.

Supes and Cap were even in the first Eclipso fight, except Supes, being controlled by Eclipso, was bloodlusted and Cap was holding back.

In the second fight, Cap immediately recovered from those punches, and he wasn't trying to fight back.

Eclipso was not trying to fight cap either, he even stopped after those punches to gloat. Eclipso just wanted to take over Cap's body due to him being a magical being and his weakness to sunlight

They were not equal in first fight and cap was not holding back after getting a severe beating

..and cap was not holding back...

Cap has the same "World of Cardboard" syndrome Superman and Thor do. And in this case, he was fighting Superman, a friend. Yet he's not going to hold back.

Fail.

Originally posted by cdtm
Cap has the same "World of Cardboard" syndrome Superman and Thor do. And in this case, he was fighting Superman, a friend. Yet he's not going to hold back.

Fail.

It was pretty obvious Cap was holding back "a lot" of his power. Why would Eclipso want a weaker body if he had Supes. Eclipso must have believed in her head that Caps body was more powerful if she would give up Supes body in exchange for Caps.

Supes himself has admitted he can't tussle with Cap for too long and its not all due to magic either. They are pretty much equals but Cap holds a major advantage.

Originally posted by carver9
It was pretty obvious Cap was holding back "a lot" of his power. Why would Eclipso want a weaker body if he had Supes. Eclipso must have believed in her head that Caps body was more powerful if she would give up Supes body in exchange for Caps.

Supes himself has admitted he can't tussle with Cap for too long and its not all due to magic either. They are pretty much equals but Cap holds a major advantage.

Yep, the fact Kal holds back a lot is a good advantage.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yep, the fact Kal holds back a lot is a good advantage.

Captain Marvel holds back a lot as well. Can you provide me a scan of Cap trying to kill Supes. Eclipso took control of Superman body and had access to his memory and how to use his abilities. A non-holding back possessed Supes with all his power couldn't take Cap out of the fight, a holding back Cap.

Their fights are pretty much proof they are either equals or one holds an edge.

Originally posted by carver9
Captain Marvel holds back a lot as well. Can you provide me a scan of Cap trying to kill Supes.

Can you provide an scan of Wolverine trying to kill Aunt May?

I guess they are both equally powerful 😄

Originally posted by Bentley
Can you provide an scan of Wolverine trying to kill Aunt May?

I guess they are both equally powerful 😄

No, I can't but I can provide a scan of Supes trying to kill Cap. Would you like that?

Superman doesn't kill heroes 😕

Originally posted by carver9
Captain Marvel holds back a lot as well. Can you provide me a scan of Cap trying to kill Supes. Eclipso took control of Superman body and had access to his memory and how to use his abilities. A non-holding back possessed Supes with all his power couldn't take Cap out of the fight, a holding back Cap.

Their fights are pretty much proof they are either equals or one holds an edge.

You don't know anything about Eclipso, do you.

But you should know that fights when under mental influence are never considered to be representative of a character's true skills in battle. I'm sure that just slipped your mind, though.

Originally posted by carver9
It was pretty obvious Cap was holding back "a lot" of his power. Why would Eclipso want a weaker body if he had Supes. Eclipso must have believed in her head that Caps body was more powerful if she would give up Supes body in exchange for Caps.

Supes himself has admitted he can't tussle with Cap for too long and its not all due to magic either. They are pretty much equals but Cap holds a major advantage.

where do you get this stuff? It certainly isn't comics.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You don't know anything about Eclipso, do you.

But you should know that fights when under mental influence are never considered to be representative of a character's true skills in battle. I'm sure that just slipped your mind, though.

where do you get this stuff? It certainly isn't comics.

here we go.

Do you think they are equals Pr?

Originally posted by carver9
here we go.

Do you think they are equals Pr?

At base levels, relatively, yeah.

Originally posted by -Pr-
At base levels, relatively, yeah.

That's my entire point. Cap has proven imo that he is an elite top tier and on Thor, Supes, and Surfer level.

By the way, what did I lie about in my post?

Originally posted by carver9
That's my entire point. Cap has proven imo that he is an elite top tier and on Thor, Supes, and Surfer level.

By the way, what did I lie about in my post?

Read my post again.

Eclipso being a non-holding back, fully capable Superman for one. Saying that Eclipso wanting Cap's body says something about both men's power. Eclipso was also predominantly male at the time, just so ya know. And Superman supposedly saying he can't tussle with Cap for too long.

Originally posted by carver9
That's my entire point. Cap has proven imo that he is an elite top tier and on Thor, Supes, and Surfer level.

I wouldn't mind if Billy was an elite top tier, but I disagree, I don't feel he has displayed enough power to be above second stringers such as Gladiator and Black Adam.

Originally posted by cdtm
Kind of interesting how Supes < Adam, Supes = Cap, Cap > Adam in some showings...

Adam's also > Cap more often than not, but Supes is almost always portrayed a notch beneath Adam, while Cap is shown as more his equal..

Originally posted by -Pr-
Read my post again.

Eclipso being a non-holding back, fully capable Superman for one. Saying that Eclipso wanting Cap's body says something about both men's power. Eclipso was also predominantly male at the time, just so ya know. And Superman supposedly saying he can't tussle with Cap for too long.

To a point that could be a false argument that I made because you "could" use the fact that Eclipso doesn't know how to use Supes body better than Clark could himself but again, that fight imo shows that Cap can take punches from an unrestrained Superman.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When has Superman been portrayed as a notch below Adam? As a matter of fact, haven't they had like only one fight Post Crisis? Superman came off as at least as powerful as Adam.

Yeah, they were pretty much equals. Even though Supes stated he wasn't holding back, I think the both of them held back. Adam stated that he wasn't there to fight Supes. Loved the small tussle though. Can't wait to see a fight between the two.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When has Superman been portrayed as a notch below Adam? As a matter of fact, haven't they had like only one fight Post Crisis? Superman came off as at least as powerful as Adam.

He hasn't that i recall, unless we're counting Adam's amp.

Originally posted by carver9
To a point that could be a false argument that I made because you "could" use the fact that Eclipso doesn't know how to use Supes body better than Clark could himself but again, that fight imo shows that Cap can take punches from an unrestrained Superman.

Eclipso is also deathly weakened by sunlight.

Yeah, sure, he can take them, even though Eclipso made it clear he had no intention of killing Billy, so unrestrained? Not really.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When has Superman been portrayed as a notch below Adam? As a matter of fact, haven't they had like only one fight Post Crisis? Superman came off as at least as powerful as Adam.

They met one other time, but Supes only hit him once and Adam wasn't looking for a fight, so it doesn't really count...

As for that one post crisis fight, think about it. Supes was making every effort to take Adam's head off, while Adam wasn't striking back, and was attempting to talk Superman down. Yet, Supes stated he couldn't even budge Adam from Metropolis, despite his best efforts, and he was having trouble even beating him down. He also came up short when they grappled, with Adam throwing him off..

IMO, Adam came off clearly superior, given the context.