Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Luke might lose to Abeloth in a one on one fight.Oh, and Nephthys, you are so awesome! If you respond to this by saying "Hewhoknowsall is awesome", I will give you a reward.
Maybe
From Ben's perspective, his father was fightning against all the the Sith AND abeloth. And still winning. It said something about how proud it made Ben to see that. So... No, that's not how the narrator put it, the narrator didn't explain well at all what was happening, but from Ben's perspective, who was closer to the situation than you or i....
TJ
From Ben's perspective, his father was fightning against all the the Sith AND abeloth. And still winning. It said something about how proud it made Ben to see that. So... No, that's not how the narrator put it, the narrator didn't explain well at all what was happening, but from Ben's perspective, who was closer to the situation than you or i....
The Sith were trying to capture her, Abeloth was trying to escape, Luke was killing her; he was succeeding in his goals, hence the winning. That's not a three-way combat scenario where they were both ganging up on Luke and he was kicking everyone's ass.
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Nice try.
Originally posted by ben222
According to many other forum, luke win easiy against abeloth.
Whereas he was only vs sith and abeloth (It is even written in the book)
Well, I actually bought the book and read it. I think like half the people on here only skimmed it in the store. It wasn't easy and the Sith were benefiting him.
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I understand that defending Luke is your M.O. (and what a noble one it is), but you're traditionally fragile when it comes to the facts. I flipped through the book and remember quite clearly that the Sith were attempting to subdue Abeloth through a Force net whereas Luke was trying to destroy her, how the hell would their actions not help him? If you provide evidence, I'll concede.
luv u
Originally posted by GideonSpoiler:
I understand that defending Luke is your M.O. (and what a noble one it is), but you're traditionally fragile when it comes to the facts. I flipped through the book and remember quite clearly that the Sith were attempting to subdue Abeloth through a Force net whereas Luke was trying to destroy her, how the hell would their actions not help him? If you provide evidence, I'll concede.luv u
I guess the word solely didn't clarify my position enough.
I'm saying that this wasn't a fight that would shake down to Luke and Sith vs. Abeloth. The sith weren't going all out against abeloth, because they wanted her alive. The only one trying to kill her was Luke. Luke was also forced to watch his back from five sith who were happy with him dying.
Bit of a melee, but the Sith weren't solely ALLIES to luke in this battle. It wasn't that straightforward.
I liked your explanation the other day, and was fine with that: the one about Luke was still winning BECAUSE he wanted Abeloth dead while the others wanted her captured, and he was getting his way.
^ That the Sith were absolutely willing (or wishing, if you'd like) for Luke to bite the big one during this fight does not mean that Abeloth wasn't by far the primary target. They were far more focused about capturing her than they were with dicking around with Luke. Now you can interpret things however you want for your own personal satisfaction, but the fact remains that the Sith's attempt to capture Abeloth would logically benefit Luke's attempt to kill her; or do you think a foe that is restrained is somehow harder to kill? It's not like he was fighting them and her simultaneously.
Don't get me wrong Gideon: Abeloth is the single most powerful character in the mythos. From the description of that fight, coupled with who luke is, and the fact that there were i believe "thousands" of sith on that planet: One on One, she kills ANYONE. I'm not making an argument where Luke could kill her.
So yes, in that sense, of providing him an opportunity to do so, yes they were a benefit. I just don't think we can consider them ONLY a benefit. They were also an active threat.
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Wait, what? I r cunfuzed. If I remember correctly, there were only four or five Sith Lords with Luke when he went to confront Abeloth. I don't recall any other members of the Sith team or Sith agents playing an active role in her defeat.
Despite constant mentions of her considerable power, I'm not convinced that she's anything approaching skilled with it. But, as you say, the fight was rather abstract.
TJ
I just don't think we can consider them ONLY a benefit.
According to DG, Vestara's father took one swing at Luke (if I remember, this was blocked by Ben). Where else did they attack him?
I guess I was under the impression that he was fighting them off for the rest of the duel? I'll have to re-read that part to be sure I guess. at the very least it would have him half watching his back the whole time.
No, there was a LARGE contingent of sith on the planet that were doing the web-weaving. I do believe it said THOUSANDS. The 5 sith were luke were the only one's with lightsabers.
Did it ever say what Abeloth was fighting back WITH? she didn't have a lightsaber. That confused me. How were they all swinging their sabers over and over if she didn't have anything to block them with?
I have the book.
Abeloth encounter Luke and 3 or 4 treacherous sith.
Hundreds of other treacherous sith form Force net to weaken Abeloth and prevent her from escaping.
Luke and his "allies" attack Abeloth.
Gavar tries to kill Luke.
Ben fights Gavar after Ben was distracted by Vestara. Ben is beating Gavar.
Sith keep on attacking Abeloth while trying to kill Luke as well.
Ben muses that Luke is winning despite all this, and that Luke is fighting like Ben has never seen him fight.
Abeloth runs away and takes the form of Dyon, but Luke isn't fooled and kills Abeloth.