FoTJ: Allies

Originally posted by Gideon
^ Bullshit, this is what I said; you're a liar.

Bullshit. Windu went into that fight with the intent to arrest Palpatine, to stop him. He only made his decision to kill after he realized that Palpatine had control of the courts and the Senate. Hence why I said that I'd say Luke went in there with a similar level of restraint: stop first, kill if necessary.

This isn't sarcasm. You, like the other times we've got heated, read into shit that wasn't there. And now you've lied to cover your ass. I told you that there won't be a third time. You can concede, make a respectful argument, or STFU.

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You said she was 60 or so when Luke was banging her; I explained what happened: she transferred her essence into the Eye of Palpatine and then found a new body when Luke found her.

Edit: I expect an apology for your bullshit little attitude and, with it, a valid argument or a concession. [/B]

There's no bullshit attitude Gideon. As usual you blow up over something minor, claim to know my intentions, and demand an apology or concession. You'll get neither, consider this matter closed.

DS
You do realize that what I accused you was the same thing you said.

No, it isn't.

Me
Unless Luke has no regard for his son, I'd say he went into that fight with the same level of restraint that Mace Windu did with Palpatine.

^ This is what I said. In order for what I said to be what you said, I would have to have said,

Me
This is very similar to the Mace Windu situation.

...And yet I didn't say that. Just to recap: you just made a claim (that you said exactly what I said); this claim was proven false. Which means one of two things: you're either wrong or you lied.

As a fellow law student, I'll let you pick. Choose carefully.

DS
You do realize that "with the same level of restraint that Mace Windu did with Palpatine"=very similar situation, right? Or close to it.

No, it isn't the same thing. And if you're a great law student like you suggest, you'd know that.

Which I suspect you do, hence your attitude change.

DS
From the book, there was no indication that Luke thought he would have to kill The Hidden One. He KNEW he would have to stop him. This is in contrast to Mace confronting the Dark Lord of the Sith.

I said that Luke demonstrated the same level of restraint; his son was in danger, hence why Luke warned him to stay back. If Luke didn't consider the Hidden One to be a threat, to be dangerous to the person he loves the most in this world, then he wouldn't have warned Ben to stay out of the way.

Which is what I was suggesting the entire time: the Hidden One was dangerous to Luke, but even more dangerous to Ben. Ben is the person that Luke loves most in the universe. Luke knew he had to stop the Hidden One, and it isn't a stretch to assume that he would have killed the Hidden One if necessary.

Which is exactly the state of mind that Mace was in: Palpatine was dangerous to Mace, but even more dangerous to the Republic. The Republic is the institution that Mace loves most in the universe. Mace knew he had to stop Palpatine, and it isn't a stretch to assume that he would have killed Palpatine if necessary.

That's my reasoning, that's my opinion. It has merit and you attacked it recklessly and stupidly because you didn't like it. No one cares: refute it, agree to disagree, or STFU.

DS
There's no bullshit attitude Gideon.

Not anymore, there isn't. And we both know exactly why.

DS
You'll get neither, consider this matter closed.

I got something far better.

Nice edit, DS, but too late.

...And yet I didn't say that. Just to recap: you just made a claim (that you said exactly what I said); this claim was proven false. Which means one of two things: you're either wrong or you lied.

2. Continuing to repeat the same theme "I've proven it!" doesn't make it true.

As a fellow law student, I'll let you pick. Choose carefully.

No, it isn't the same thing. And if you're a great law student like you suggest, you'd know that.

Which I suspect you do, hence your attitude change.

No, it isn't the same thing. And if you're a great law student like you suggest, you'd know that.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
My point is that Luke struggling with the Hidden One is more of a plus for the Hidden One than a minus for Luke; my "most feats" claim is to say that Luke is NOT an unknown whereas the Hidden One is, so it wouldn't make much sense to determine Luke's power using a fight with an unknown.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Only Jacen and Alema Rar fully turned to the dark side.

You forgot Dolph.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
In fact, I thought Luke fell in love with her [b]before the Eye of Palpatine incident. [/B]

No, Luke first met Callista aboard the Eye of Palpatine. At the time she was a spirit inhabiting the Eye's computer. She regained physical form at the end of the novel when Cray Mingla allowed her to inhabit her body while Cray took her place in order to destroy the Eye.

Some of Callista's exploits during the Clone Wars are detailed in the novels "No Prisoners" and "Order 66."

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Luke did fall somewhat in love with Calista.

"Somewhat" nothing. They loved each other very much.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Gigidy.

edit: Jesus, [b]another jedi got through Order 66!? What were those clones smoking? [/B]

There weren't any clones around in this case.

Callista was a member of "the Altisian Jedi," a splinter group independent of the main Order. The Altisian Jedi had no problems with having romantic relationships or training adults.

Callista and her group didn't fight in the Clone Wars (aside from helping out sometimes) or lead any clones. They spent the war providing humanitarian aid and serving as relief workers.

My apologies concerning Dolph - maybe this will redeem my mistake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDl9ZMfj6aE

Question though - what happened to the Jedi Adventurers?

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
My apologies concerning Dolph - maybe this will redeem my mistake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDl9ZMfj6aE

Question though - what happened to the Jedi Adventurers?

No problem. I've made plenty of mistakes worse than that.

Just finished reading this at borders. 27 dollars==SAVED

thoughts:

1. I really like the Vestera and Ben romance. Its really, really well-written. I keep hoping Vestera turns. I am actually worried if she was faking being poisoned at the end to get Ben away from helping Luke when the Sith turned on him. even then: Maybe she was trying to keep her sith people from killing him when they killed Luke.

2. During that battle: Ben said he had never seen his father fight that hard, or somethign to that extent. Now he saw what we have considered a "bloodlusted" luke fight Caedus. So was luke not going all out against Caedus?

3. Really sad about Callista. She deserved a better end. I always hoped to find out what happened to her.

4. Luke is badass. The "Ben noticed proudly that his father was still winning" , even at the point that it was him against all the Sith AND abeloth. (granted, the details of the fight WERE sketchy, so its hard to know how much to contribute to him, but it was still pretty sweet. They need to explain why attacking the other Jedi killed Abeloth though. That was not very well done. Now he is alone with 4 sith. I hope in the next book, we see an epic battle.)

5. Daala has gone too far. Time for someone to take her out. Shooting an unarmed 11 year old on steps of the Jedi temple? I hate her character like nothing else right now. Plus, she was the one responsible for Tahiri's tape leaking, AND she is probably responsible for the fake Jedi killing Bwatuu, PLUS she is stopping slave revolts? SHe is pure evil. As evil as Caedus ever was RIGHT NOW. These wars that Luke fights NEVER work. The last one was for 2 years of peace. Now they need all out war again to take her out.

6. Speaking of which, it was weird how much attention was paid to slavery in this book. plus the whole freedom fight. Since when was this a problem? It hasn't been mentioned in ANY other books.

7. 27.00 is WAY too much money to pay for this book. Lucasarts has lost its collective minds.

I didn't understand, who wins the fight between luke and abeloth and the other sith

Natasi Daala needs to GTFO. And that Mando she hired to. Time for the Jedi to assassinate her. Oh, and the case against Tahiri is hypocritical to the extreme. Why didn't the persecute all those GAG soldiers that tortured captives in secrecy? Oh, and what about Daala, who is a war criminal and a terrorist. The fictional SW public is so gullible it's ridiculous.

TJ
4. Luke is badass.

I have to admit that the murder of Kani in cold blood by the Mandos was really emotionally moving and I felt really sorry for Kani. I also wish that the Mando that murdered Kani while Kani was unarmed, along with Natasi Daala, were to suffer a slow, painful death.

Well, its obvious that the Jedi aren't going to be admitted healed, since the fake jedi attacked Bwatuu. This is going to get ugly fast. That was Daala's man.

Is Bwatuu dead? It isn't 100% confirmed.

Oh, and again, I hope that that Mando and Natasi Daala get killed.

he is pretty much dead.

I wonder who the fake Jedi were.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I wonder who the fake Jedi were.

I suspect Lecersen (or however you spell his name) and his co-conspirators. I think there's a reason why we suddenly don't have their PoV in Allies. Maybe the author wants to keep things more secret to the reader.

Sorry for double post, but I realized that Daala seemed a bit regretful in her final meeting with Bwatuu. In wonder if this implies anything.