Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What are you, a Republican? We have all the sunshine we need.
so we have an integrated system for delivering solar power to all those who need it?
or, do we have an infrastructure built on oil that we are dependant upon, which means, yes, in fact, we do need the oil from the Gulf?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
While this will help that transition I don't think that allowing the disaster to keep spreading is necessary. There was a poll that suggested a lot of people already think it's the worst disaster in 100 years.
If you cap it and clean it up, we will just drill more. You have to get people involved, and no better why to get them involved then to destroy their livelihood. After all, the gulf will eventually return to normal, but without any drilling. The people will have government health care, and welfare.
Originally posted by inimalist
so we have an integrated system for delivering solar power to all those who need it?or, do we have an infrastructure built on oil that we are dependant upon, which means, yes, in fact, we do need the oil from the Gulf?
President Obama will do it. His brilliant intellect will find the answer.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you cap it and clean it up, we will just drill more. You have to get people involved, and no better why to get them involved then to destroy their livelihood. After all, the gulf will eventually return to normal, but without any drilling. The people will have government health care, and welfare.
I don't see where you're going with this. Obviously there are ways to shift the US energy infrastructure that don't involve destroying people's livelihood, in fact that's probably the worst possible method.
Its now officially the biggest spill in US history.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37353392/ns/gulf_oil_spill/?GT1=43001
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you cap it and clean it up, we will just drill more. You have to get people involved, and no better why to get them involved then to destroy their livelihood. After all, the gulf will eventually return to normal, but without any drilling. The people will have government health care, and welfare.
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I know you're pissing people off, here, but you humor was appreciated on ths end.
Sorry I didn't see this thread when I posted mine up.
The operation was a success as far as I heard about the 'plugging of the hole'
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Peoples lives are in ruins though, and species of animals will become extinct. Not to mention good honest working people got killed in the process as well. I hope this wakes a lot of people up to the corruption in the corporate machine.
sarcasm aside shaky is right only way ppl will get involved and change things is if it effects them personally.. its the american apathy that is the problem.. ppl should be losing their jobs going to jail, being fined we need to show all the animals that have died.. we dont even see this crap on tv anymore if we showed what is really happening maybe ppl will act.. a few dozen whales, dolphins washing up on the beach might help stir us up from our apathy.. maybe raise gas prices traumatically i say 4 or 5 dollars a gallon oughta do it
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
maybe raise gas prices traumatically i say 4 or 5 dollars a gallon oughta do it
The problem with those type of solutions is the toll it takes on the poor.
I hate to say it, but...
Maybe we should create FREE energy systems?
We should be working on bots and AI that can maintain/sustain a massive solar system.
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Spasm.
I would want to talk on this stuff for hours.
fact: there are no vehicle fuel stations that don't run on petrolium
the changes that need to occur in the economy and infrastructure to enable any type of renewable system is going to take huge top-down control of development. Having access to other types of energy is going to do little to fundamentally change the appearance of American society.
Everyone can say "oh look, here is what we should do", but the unfortunate fact is that we don't have those options immediatly.
Originally posted by inimalist
fact: there are no vehicle fuel stations that don't run on petroliumthe changes that need to occur in the economy and infrastructure to enable any type of renewable system is going to take huge top-down control of development. Having access to other types of energy is going to do little to fundamentally change the appearance of American society.
Everyone can say "oh look, here is what we should do", but the unfortunate fact is that we don't have those options immediatly.
Or it could all be done by not having any oil.
or a billionaire or two could just say F$#@ it and put their money to develop new tech same for companies and the american ppl.. the problem is they are afraid to fail and not see fast return in the immediate future.. also creed of losing money in other investments and companies that would impact them..
it really comes down to how much are we as a ppl willing to sacrifice and how much work we are willing to put in.. the answer is really very little
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Or it could all be done by not having any oil.
well, yes, but that, in turn, would cause a global economic collapse that, even if you think environmental damage is bad, you probably want to avoid.
An abrupt end to the oil which powers the economies and societies of all of the integrated and globalized nations, ie the world, would be akin to us jumping, technologically, back to before the age of rail. Every aspect of our economy and society would fail, and the necessary local infrastructure that could support a non-globalized economy is non-existant. It would almost certainly be another dark age, but with no Baghdad to send all of our books to this time.
I think they just have the word "oil" as the definition for "necessary evil" in Webster's now.
Originally posted by Wild ShadowThese technologies already exist but most of them are bought by oil sheiks and thrown into a safe that they can still sell their oil.
or a billionaire or two could just say F$#@ it and put their money to develop new tech same for companies and the american ppl.. the problem is they are afraid to fail and not see fast return in the immediate future.. also creed of losing money in other investments and companies that would impact them..it really comes down to how much are we as a ppl willing to sacrifice and how much work we are willing to put in.. the answer is really very little
Originally posted by Parmaniac
These technologies already exist but most of them are bought by oil sheiks and thrown into a safe that they can still sell their oil.
no, alternative energy sources are normally too expensive or not powerful enough to replace oil. Many have much higher environmental impacts (biofuel, soalr panels, electric batteries) in their construction, and the lack of infrastructure to supply this power to people makes them little better than pipe dreams.
You really think a corporation would turn down the ability to monopolize all energy on the planet? if this conspiracy really exists, the people who are hiding these paneceas are in fact acting opposite to the way you are saying they would. A Saudi Sheik (really? that steryotypical?) would jump at the chance to, forever, own the source of all American power. Thats why they like oil in the first place.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
ever heard of algae?
we have a photosynthetic energy infrastructure ready to support the energy needs of America set up?
We have cars and other products that now run on bio-batteries?
we have fueling stations set up at regular intervals throughout the roadways of the nation ready to supply people with this fuel?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
or how about actually investing to find new technology and ways to replace oil?
this is being done across the world. With the exception of nuclear, there is no technology mature enough to replace oil. Further, many proposed environmental problems are equally problematic as the hydro-carbons from oil, and even further, none are as efficent as oil.
it would be wonderful to replace oil, but just going "gee, greedy rich bastards don't want to make money from monopolizing new sources of energy because they are stupid" is pretty inadequate as a proposition for how such a change might occur.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
do i really need to give you different ideas and things that are in the workds just so you dont have to research crap on your own and can simply post smart@$$ comment like magic free tech?
is your position really that I don't know what I'm talking about?
You think I'm wrong to say alge fuel isn't a mature power source that could reasonably replace oil in the forseeable future?