Darth Sidious vs Darth Caedus

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posted by Shoes
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have you ever read lotf inferno

Originally posted by truejedi
He said Caedus solos. Seems painfully obvious that whoever wins in 1on1 would be soloing the other.
He said Solo solos. I guess he was refering to when Solo shot Sidious down.

Jacen Solo. Caedus Solo. Not Han.

First Time Post!

I think ROTS Palpatine would lose in a lightsaber duel against Caedus, though Caedus was still rather young for a Force-wielder (only mid-thirties?). Force-users get better with age, like wine, but remember Luke defeating reborn Palpatine at a young age, and Luke had started training in his twenties.

Interesting to note that Luke would have easily slaughtered Caedus had Ben not been in front (from Fury novel of LOTF, right)? However, don't discount that Caedus was trained from a young kid, while Luke didn't start training until the same age that his father had become a Knight. And they have the same Force potential, if Caedus doesn't potentially have more than Luke...

Hmm...well, Caedus stood up to Luke in a fight, and Palpatine is out of practice for over a decade. Still though, it's a tough call for the saber fight. In Force and all out Sidious likely wins.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Hmm...well, Caedus stood up to Luke in a fight, and Palpatine is out of practice for over a decade. Still though, it's a tough call for the saber fight. In Force and all out Sidious likely wins.

Yea good point. Sidious had AT LEAST 30-40 years more immersion and knowledge of Sith powers than Caedus had.

And you're right, Caedus did do reasonably well againt Skywalker, however I do recall Caedus musing about how easily Luke defeated (this was the Fury Novel, I think?) him, but that Luke had spared his life, because Ben was in front.

Truly though, ROTS novelization made it clear that all of Dooku's knowledge, all of his training (80 years worth) meant absolutely NOTHING when Anakin decided to win. Force knowledge is not a be-all, end-all decider in a duel.

If knowledge was the deciding factor in a fight then Odan-Urr would curbstomp almost everybody. As it, he can't. Power and ability is needed as well.

lol

Force knowledge is obviously a contributing factor.

Shoes
lol

Force knowledge is obviously a contributing factor.

Not that it matters here.

Caedus, before he became a Sith, had access to the same sort of information that Luke did: the Chu'unthor (a Jedi training ground), some scattered holocrons, access to a couple of non-Jedi/Sith Force organizations, not to mention Lumiya. This, combined with his Skywalker-class aptitude for the Force, means he has at least the same amount of Force knowledge and mastery as Palpatine.

Originally posted by Gideon
Not that it matters here.

Caedus, before he became a Sith, had access to the same sort of information that Luke did: the Chu'unthor (a Jedi training ground), some scattered holocrons, access to a couple of non-Jedi/Sith Force organizations, not to mention Lumiya. This, combined with his Skywalker-class aptitude for the Force, means he has at least the same amount of Force knowledge and mastery as Palpatine.

I don't think anyone else got this sarcasm.

DS
I don't think anyone else got this sarcasm.

How? Explain to me how this does not make sense? I'm usually more blatant with sarcasm anyways.

Originally posted by Gideon
How? Explain to me how this does not make sense? I'm usually more blatant with sarcasm anyways.

Lol.. You're not doing this in the right thread Gideon. He's not going to be viewing this one.

Who? Nai? I don't need him to, I put him back on ignore after we concluded our discussion.

But he did make a persuasive argument.


Caedus, before he became a Sith, had access to the same sort of information that Luke did: the Chu'unthor (a Jedi training ground), some scattered holocrons, access to a couple of non-Jedi/Sith Force organizations, not to mention Lumiya. This, combined with his Skywalker-class aptitude for the Force, means he has at least the same amount of Force knowledge and mastery as Palpatine.

I'm not sure how this is accurate.

DS
I'm not sure how this is accurate.

Neither did I, at first. But look closer:

[list]
[*]The Chu'unthor, which was an old Jedi Order training facility that likely possessed archives of information.
[*]Anything leftover from Palpatine's archives that Luke may or may not have found in the Imperial Palace once it was seized by the New Republic
[*]The Falanassi? Fallanassi? Whatever, you know what I mean.
[*]A couple of other Force-wielding cults visited every now and then.
[*]The possible Great Holocron and Telos Holocron; he had three years to study those.
[/list]

That's a lot of information. Now I understand that the Emperor had a lot, too, but there's no reason to conclude that there is any great disparity in terms of Force knowledge.

Originally posted by Gideon
Neither did I, at first. But look closer:

[list]
[*]The Chu'unthor, which was an old Jedi Order training facility that likely possessed archives of information.
[*]Anything leftover from Palpatine's archives that Luke may or may not have found in the Imperial Palace once it was seized by the New Republic
[*]The Falanassi? Fallanassi? Whatever, you know what I mean.
[*]A couple of other Force-wielding cults visited every now and then.
[*]The possible Great Holocron and Telos Holocron; he had three years to study those.
[/list]

That's a lot of information. Now I understand that the Emperor had a lot, too, but there's no reason to conclude that there is any great disparity in terms of Force knowledge.

Yea you're definitely transparent Gideon lol.

Whatever, man. Like I said, I get how you'd think it would be stupid to assume this at first, but when you sit down and think about the amount of information Luke probably got from that, it's mind-boggling.

Originally posted by Gideon
Whatever, man. Like I said, I get how you'd think it would be stupid to assume this at first, but when you sit down and think about the amount of information Luke probably got from that, it's mind-boggling.

Lol... A facepalm would be in order if you were serious.

I can't believe he didn't include Jacen's transformation in to a Sith as a knowledge contributor. Declaration of your allegiance grants immediate power.