Originally posted by dadudemon
Really? Even when the school is breaking the law in a very direct way, the student should still get in trouble?
Have we even really established that the school was breaking the law? The flag was draped, not flying. The flag went from the floor on the second level downward so it was below all the flags on the second floor. Not to mention that enforcing the flag protocol laws has apparently been struck down as unconstitutional in the past.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Have we even really established that the school was breaking the law? The flag was draped, not flying. The flag went from the floor on the second level downward so it was below all the flags on the second floor. Not to mention that enforcing the flag protocol laws has apparently been struck down as unconstitutional in the past.
We (KK and I) are talking about a hypothetical. The hypothetical is finding flags incorrectly displayed at a public school and whether or not a kid would get in trouble for correcting them.
We both agree that what the student in the story did was wrong and constitutes vandalism.
However, I don't think he should have gotten in trouble if they were displayed incorrectly...though I don't have a picture so I really can't decide if correcting their positions would be wrong or not.
Originally posted by dadudemon
My bad. That was my own stupidity.My point about that was: the school, since it is not private property, should have strict adherence to simple flag protocol. Agreed? I mean, I'm all for people being a**holes on their own property because I'd rather there be free speech. Though, I'd prefer they not desecrate the country my ancestors work so hard to build, I'd rather they have the ability to free speech than me enforcing my patriotism upon them. At public schools, not a chance: they don't get to break the law and not get away with it while I'm pretending to be Captain America. 😠
Originally posted by dadudemon
Really? Even when the school is breaking the law in a very direct way, the student should still get in trouble? If that student did....don't you think that would quickly go wiped away and the faculty that "made him in trouble" would actually be the ones in hot water?
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
There are entire lists of flag violations. It's not like some guy in the crowd should go up and punch kidrock in the face for wearing a flag outfit, then strip it off him. And even if he did, it would still be illegal.
Originally posted by TRH
Aside from the fact America is a nation of Immigrants, as is Canada, it is not ethnic based.
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up, you guys are cowards.
yup
and while you masterbate on a bald eagle:
http://www.macleans.ca/canada/national/article.jsp?content=20080625_50113_50113
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/11/canada-olympics-economy-business-sportsmoney-canada.html
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/blog/2010/05/07/canada%e2%80%99s-boring-economy-a-love-story/
and in this instance the flag is plainly being used as a symbol of ethnic division
Originally posted by dadudemon
We (KK and I) are talking about a hypothetical. The hypothetical is finding flags incorrectly displayed at a public school and whether or not a kid would get in trouble for correcting them.We both agree that what the student in the story did was wrong and constitutes vandalism.
However, I don't think he should have gotten in trouble if they were displayed incorrectly...though I don't have a picture so I really can't decide if correcting their positions would be wrong or not.
I'd just like to clarify that with that last statement, I didn't word it the way I was thinking it.
It should read:
"However, I don't think he should have gotten in trouble for only correcting it if they were displayed incorrectly...though I don't have a picture so I really can't decide if correcting their positions would be wrong or not.
Originally posted by King Kandy
No, I don't agree. The government has no right to punish institutions for flying flags improperly, and as such private citizens have even less of a right to.
The government should and does have the right to correct things wrong on their own turf, though.
Originally posted by King Kandy
No, because he should have done things legally. They broke a law, that has no punishment.http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
There are entire lists of flag violations. It's not like some guy in the crowd should go up and punch kidrock in the face for wearing a flag outfit, then strip it off him. And even if he did, it would still be illegal.
I'm not sure where this is going...seems to be more about Private sector than government sector.
I've already agreed that I would rather preserve someone's ability to speak freely than to suppress speech.
Not so with the government, though.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The government should and does have the right to correct things wrong on their own turf, though.I'm not sure where this is going...seems to be more about Private sector than government sector.
I've already agreed that I would rather preserve someone's ability to speak freely than to suppress speech.
Not so with the government, though.
Originally posted by King Kandy
That's why it should have been upon the school to correct it, and the kid who did so was totally in the wrong.
Your first word, "that's"...what does it refer to in my post?
I don't think so, though. I think any person living in that school district has the right to correct an improper display of flags at any of the public schools...as long as that person is authorized to be on site at the school, and they do it safely without damaging shit.
There's some other stuff to go with that, but I don't have the time to go over all of it.
To make it easier: if I were a dad in that school distract and I walked by an improper display, I'd correct it if I could or notify the Superintendent if I couldn't correct it in a reasonable amount of time.
Am I wrong for correcting if I could? If I am, why? If I am not, why?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Your first word, "that's"...what does it refer to in my post?I don't think so, though. I think any person living in that school district has the right to correct an improper display of flags at any of the public schools...as long as that person is authorized to be on site at the school, and they do it safely without damaging shit.
There's some other stuff to go with that, but I don't have the time to go over all of it.
To make it easier: if I were a dad in that school distract and I walked by an improper display, I'd correct it if I could or notify the Superintendent if I couldn't correct it in a reasonable amount of time.
Am I wrong for correcting if I could? If I am, why? If I am not, why?
Originally posted by dadudemon
But it isn't vandalism. It's correcting vandalism, if you want to get specific.Is your only argument against correcting it because you consider it vandalism?
As you pointed out, it's equally illegal for government and private citizens, so that would also apply that people should be able to stop private citizens from flying flags wrong, something that is totally illegal.
Originally posted by inimalistI don't care enough about Canada to read your links.
yupand while you masterbate on a bald eagle:
http://www.macleans.ca/canada/national/article.jsp?content=20080625_50113_50113
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/11/canada-olympics-economy-business-sportsmoney-canada.html
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/blog/2010/05/07/canada%e2%80%99s-boring-economy-a-love-story/
and in this instance the flag is plainly being used as a symbol of ethnic division
You are aware that a few of those students that wore American flags were Hispanic?
Regardless, anything could be used for the wrong purposes or twisted to fit an ethnic agenda.
You guys can do whatever you want in Canada, be it forcing people to take off a Canadian flag shirt or what have you, but in America, that **** doesn't fly.
Originally posted by TRH
I don't care enough about Canada to read your links.You are aware that a few of those students that wore American flags were Hispanic?
Regardless, anything could be used for the wrong purposes or twisted to fit an ethnic agenda.You guys can do whatever you want in Canada, be it forcing people to take off a Canadian flag shirt or what have you, but in America, that **** doesn't fly.
your nation is broke, weak, uneducated and theocratic
by all means, worry about them damn mexicans and how much they respect your abstract symbols. I'm going to enjoy the world's most stable banking system
and ethnicity is different than race. You can substitute culture if you want, I'll accept your PC terminology
Originally posted by inimalist
your nation is broke, weak, uneducated and theocraticby all means, worry about them damn mexicans and how much they respect your abstract symbols. I'm going to enjoy the world's most stable banking system
and ethnicity is different than race. You can substitute culture if you want, I'll accept your PC terminology
Your temper tantrum made me laugh, you got so mad I insulted poor little Canada that you threw out four insults, only one of which has any grounding in reality.
Broke, we most certainly are, a lot of the western world seems to be at the moment and probably will continue to be with the fiscal policies being pursued.
I'm not sure how America could be deemed "weak", the economy is certainly in dire straights, although that hasn't affected the military strength of the country, militarily, America remains the most powerful in the world, China is fast approaching, but for now, America remains the worlds only superpower.
Uneducated, that truly is an idiotic accusation, the public school situation has lagged terribly in the past few decades, but by any stretch of the word to describe America as "uneducated", shows that you either don't understand what the word means or that you are simply angry and throwing out a bunch of words you think are going to hurt my feelings or my pride.
Theocratic, that really is laughable, a country that no longer even has prayer in School can hardly be called theocratic, I'm not sure you even know what the word means. It's a government ruled under religious authority or by religious leaders, such as the Pope. A democratic nation with freedom of religion and huge diversity in it's citizens beliefs, can not be classified as a theocracy by anybody with at least average intelligence.
I don't really want to argue with you over these points any further, because I really don't care about the stupid things that you have to say.
Continue to throw out offensive words about America to make yourself feel better about Canada or make yourself feel smart, I really don't give a damn.
Originally posted by inimalist
by all means, worry about them damn mexicans and how much they respect your abstract symbols. I'm going to enjoy the world's most stable banking system
You can also enjoy the end of journalistic confidentiality.
Ha!
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You can also enjoy the end of journalistic confidentiality.Ha!
ya, I saw that, pretty lame...
our courts have a decent history with freedom of speech, so i tend to believe the ruling wont be applied in really abusive situations (we don't have the black/white interpretaions akin to the American constitution) but it sucks none the less.