Bumi vs Toph

Toph got more potential. She learnt bending at such an early age and figured out how to bend metal so fast that I think in few years she'd beat Bumi. But at this point he'd win. Too experienced.

Also yeah Azula would beat Toph more times than not. And she's only badass because she's a crazy b!tch, if the show was made for adults only she'd be murdering people for the heck of it.

PS: An interesting question- can Aang bend metal, redirrect lightnings and do the blood thing (like Katara) in avatar state? I mean we've never seen him do that but itd be crazy to assume that the previous avatars didnt know how to do that.

No, each of those things were invented by people with no way the Avatars could know about. Toph invented Metalbending and I don't recall her teaching it too Aang, Iroh invented Lightning redirection and he certainly never taught it to him and Hama invented Bloodbending, taught it to Katara and like Toph, its never mentioned about whether she taught it to Aang. But probably not.

Whaaaaa?

We've seen Aang use lightning redirection in the show. Iroh taught Zuko, Zuko taught Aang. He used it in his fight against Ozai.

Considering Aang has used seismicsense in his fight versus Ozai, i would think he can also see the particles in metal and bend them.

Theoretically, all high level waterbenders can bloodbend.

he doesn't need the avatar state to do any of these.

Originally posted by marwash22
Are we forgetting how dominant Azula is in combat? The only time she has ever been bested is when she had that psychological meltdown.

Toph > Azula > Katara

No, in the Crossroads of Destiny, Katara was beating Azula, head-on. Azula at full.

Lord_Talron
zuko has more real-world experience against other benders than azula.

Especially water benders, which is probably a tricky style for Fire to fight.

Azula can find Fire benders to practice with but I can't see when she'd have any opportunity to face one before Katara, a master, while Zuko's been fighting Katara and Aang (who for a long time only had water and air) constantly.

We've seen Aang use lightning redirection in the show. Iroh taught Zuko, Zuko taught Aang. He used it in his fight against Ozai.

Errr...... *runs away really fast* I knew that!

edit: Though I still really doubt he can metal or bloodbend.

hes got the potential, but he doesnt know how at the end of the show.

Originally posted by Q99
No, in the Crossroads of Destiny, Katara was beating Azula, head-on. Azula at full.

Azula was fighting under the worst possible circumstances.

She was about a mile underground, where there was no sun and she was fighting against a person who uses the element in which her own element is naturally weak against. All that and Katara was barely beating her. The one moment Katara caught her off guard with the warter arms doesn't count as a win, there's no evidence that Azula would have lost without Zuko's interference.

You're missing my point guys. I dont know if Aang was TOUGHT to do that. But he doesnt need to. I was talking about his avtar state, like when he gets experience of ALL previous avatars. Its just I find it hard to believe that Toph figured out how to bend metal while hundreds of generations of avatars didnt. Or that noone of them figured out the bloodbending. Aang himself might not know how to do that but imo he should definitely be able to do that in AS, since if at least one of the avatars knew how to do it Aang in AS should know as well.

Oh, ok. So basically you're asking how it's possible that none of the previous Avatar's knew how to blood and metal bend.

I think it's more of a question of perception, than it is skill. I'm sure that, let's say, Kyoshi, was skilled enough to metalbend, it's just that, she never perceived the possiblity of doing so. The only reason Toph ever discovered it is because of he unique circumstance. So, I'm sure if there had ever been a blind earthbender/avatar, they would have created Metalbending first.

As for Bloodbending, it came about in much the same way Toph's metalbending did. The unique circumstances that no one before her had ever been in, is what led her to the realization of bending the water inside of people.

Blood bending has a tradtion behind it
Im sure one of the avatars could do it at some point

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Blood bending has a tradtion behind it
Im sure one of the avatars could do it at some point

Blood bending was something Hama came up with.
Katara's the only person that Hama taught. Outside of those two, no other person is known to bloodbend.

Unless Hama somehow catches an Avatar, or one of the Avatars is smart enough to realize that they can bend the water inside a person's body, the Avatars will not learn it.
Katara will certainly not teach it to Aang, given her view of the technique. Heck, I doubt she'd even use it, unless someone has royally pissed her off.

I'll go with Bumi to be honest. Not really looking at feats here but going straight from the fact that, the members of the white lotus seem stronger than the main group. Then again, I think I prefer Toph more.

Did hama come up with it?

I thought she learned it from someone

Nah, it was while she was imprisoned in the Fire nation. She practiced on rats iirc.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah, it was while she was imprisoned in the Fire nation. She practiced on rats iirc.

yup.

if anyone else knew bloodbending, they clearly kept their mouths shut.

Originally posted by marwash22
Azula at full? is that a joke?

Azula was fighting under the worst possible circumstances.

She was about a mile underground, where there was no sun and she was fighting against a person who uses the element in which her own element is naturally weak against. All that and Katara was barely beating her. The one moment Katara caught her off guard with the warter arms doesn't count as a win, there's no evidence that Azula would have lost without Zuko's interference.

Firebenders don't get weaker just because they're underground that we've seen, but with the day-night cycle.

And I'll note that Zuko was doing noticeably better than Katara in the same circumstances. Katara was on the offensive against Azula but made no progress against Zuko.

I'm not saying they're solar powered, but I'm fairly certain that their firebending is stronger while directly under the sun.

pfft! You're taking the Zuko vs Katara scene a little too far. They were fighting equally only because they were both doing the thing were they wrap their arms in fire/water... kinda like whips. Like i said before, Katara caught Azula off gaurd with that move, but could have easily done the same thing Zuko did to counter it. Azula switched to fighting Aang and we never truly get to see another fight between the two girls.

I dunno how this turned into Azula vs. Katara, we're supposed to be debating Bumi v Toph, lol.

Bumi has more raw power because of his age and experience, but Toph is more versatile because she actually learned Earthbending from Badger Moles, and her blindness gives her a really good edge against other Earthbenders.

The only way I see an Azula/Katara fight ending is in a passionate, tangle of sweaty body parts after a let's make love, not war session. Aang of course is over in the corner with his mouth stuck on the floor from the awesomeness of the Avatar's luck.