Originally posted by Wild Shadow
wolverine is a significantly better fighter then hammer head who knows how to hit properly and has a HF... and didnt spider lose the 1st round anyways b4 he got smart and started using webbing and whatnot and not just blunt trauma?
That's correct. And he ain't dislocating Logan's hip...
Well, I can post the gorila incident.😛 You guys for some reason go with Logan's high showings and with Spider-man low ones. Break his hand? Are you guys kidding? Ok.. Logan will lose because he is a horrible fighter since most of the time he fights like a drunk in a bar, he's even slower than Nightwing, let alone Spider-man, because unlike Logan who fails to dodge bullets 90% of the time Nightwing dodges bullets all the time. Same can be said about Deadpool. Spider-man will die the next time he performs a leap because his bones can be broken even by Jigsaw. See what's wrong with this logic? If we go by bad showings both Spider-man and Wolverine can lose to Rhino.
Now if we concider good showings - Spider-man can punch Logan all day without seriously hurting his fists. But he wont put Logan down with just punches, Logan wont be koed. On the other hand Wolverine aint tagging Spider-man. And without claws he's at HUGE disadvantage so Spider-man's gonna be the one doing all the beating. Even if Logan somehow tags him, Spider-man's taken a lot worse than a couple of punches from Logan. And Parker's got great stamina so he can do it all day. So can Logan. Which brings us back to..
Originally posted by SamZED
Spider-man gets tired from kicking Logan across the room all day long and surrenders.😬
Originally posted by SamZED
Well, I can post the gorila incident.😛 You guys for some reason go with Logan's high showings and with Spider-man low ones. Break his hand? Are you guys kidding? Ok.. Logan will lose because he is a horrible fighter since most of the time he fights like a drunk in a bar, he's even slower than Nightwing, let alone Spider-man, because unlike Logan who fails to dodge bullets 90% of the time Nightwing dodges bullets all the time. Same can be said about Deadpool. Spider-man will die the next time he performs a leap because his bones can be broken even by Jigsaw. See what's wrong with this logic? If we go by bad showings both Spider-man and Wolverine can lose to Rhino.
Now if we concider good showings - Spider-man can punch Logan all day without seriously hurting his fists. But he wont put Logan down with just punches, Logan wont be koed. On the other hand Wolverine aint tagging Spider-man. And without claws he's at HUGE disadvantage so Spider-man's gonna be the one doing all the beating. Even if Logan somehow tags him, Spider-man's taken a lot worse than a couple of punches from Logan. And Parker's got great stamina so he can do it all day. So can Logan. Which brings us back to..
Better men have hurt themselves hitting Logan 😛
He doesn't always try to dodge them. They give him an excuse to kill. When he does try, he dodges bullets fired by Scalphunter, Punisher, Strikeforce X, Bushwacker, Nuke or Deadpool.
In defense of wallcrawler now, wasn't that supposed to be Piledriver? Kinda hard to believe Finch confused him with Jigsaw, but that's what people say here and there...
Originally posted by SamZED
Spider-man gets tired from kicking Logan across the room all day long and surrenders.😬
Riiiiiiiight...
@ samzed
i think you went a lil overboard with your post..
see here is the problem i didnt use any scan or moment to lowball spider-man what i did do is site a moment in logan's feat history that ino is superior to anything spiderman has done which would give him the 1 up on the speed if the spider cannot match it or surpass it..
it is a common misconception that logan is slow hence why he gets hit. you of all ppl know that is not true he allows himself damage b/c he can tolerate it.
now again i did not lowball or ignore any spider feat... if you like you can site moments where your claim of parker doing what you said will likely occur in the situation with logan..
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThat's true sometimes, but not often, most of the times even when wants to avoid getting shot, thanks to writers he ends up getting shot anyway. Those are the low showings.
Better [b]men have hurt themselves hitting Logan 😛He doesn't always try to dodge them. They give him an excuse to kill. When he does try, he dodges bullets fired by Scalphunter, Punisher, Strikeforce X, Bushwacker, Nuke or Deadpool.
In defense of wallcrawler now, wasn't that supposed to be Piledriver? Kinda hard to believe Finch confused him with Jigsaw, but that's what people say here and there...
Riiiiiiiight... [/B]
Deadpool is a goof ball and was using wooden sticks and on top of that he is a lvl 6 fighter.. not the same as logan..
logan's fist are adamantium reinforced he is also a lvl 7 fighter he has 1st hand knowledge of the spider and his fighting method...
logan can feasibly ko spiderman with a simple nerve blow.. something wade could never pull or have seen him pull imo..
also spiderman and wade were fighting an aero ballet with wade not trying to kill the spider.. if he had his full weapons i doubt the fight would have gone the spider's way.
anyways logan and spiderman have a history of fighting where usually logan is the one who is attacked by him and it is logan who is holding back and yet logan has always manage to hit him grab him and even once losing his temper and stab him..
in forum fights consistencies counts and can be used to make a case.
Originally posted by SamZED
That's true sometimes, but not often, most of the times even when wants to avoid getting shot, thanks to writers he ends up getting shot anyway. Those are the low showings.
That's what I heard as well, think i even saw an interview, not sure if it was real though.
Guys, your combined efforts is what made most of KMC members change their mind and give Logan majority over Spider-man in a cis on fight and that's awesome. Id even say badass.😄 But now it turned into -convincing everybody that Logan doesnt even need his claws to beat Spider-man?😛 As much as I love Logan, no way, just no way, guys. it's gonna go exactly like my firs scenario says. I just dont see Logan doing any better than Deadpool. And Wade had a hard time when he didnt use lethal weapons and guns.
Most of the times? Interesting. I thought most of the times he tanks bullets. Or protects his friends taking them. Give me some examples and we'll talk.
I saw it, too.
Exactly like your scenario says? So Murdock, Shang-Chi, Cap also need adamantium claws to even pose a threat to Pete?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Deadpool is a goof ball and was using wooden sticks and on top of that he is a lvl 6 fighter.. not the same as logan..logan's fist are adamantium reinforced he is also a lvl 7 fighter he has 1st hand knowledge of the spider and his fighting method...
logan can feasibly ko spiderman with a simple nerve blow.. something wade could never pull or have seen him pull imo..
also spiderman and wade were fighting an aero ballet with wade not trying to kill the spider.. if he had his full weapons i doubt the fight would have gone the spider's way.
anyways logan and spiderman have a history of fighting where usually logan is the one who is attacked by him and it is logan who is holding back and yet logan has always manage to hit him grab him and even once losing his temper and stab him..
in forum fights consistencies counts and can be used to make a case.
That's the thing - IF he had all his weapons it would've went differently. But he didn't just like Logan doesnt get his claws here, and it didnt went well for Wade, it wont go well for Logan.
Not really, not counting the minor enounters, they only had one real 1 on 1 fight with both of them knowing whom they're dealing with and what to expect. And Logan though was trying couldnt even scratch Spider-man who according to him was moving MUCH slower than usually because he was affraid. And only managed to get his hands on him when Parker allowed him to, Wolverine wasn't holding back to the point where Parker pretty much stopped fighting, before that happened Logan clearly was trying to stab him but couldnt, on the other hand Spider-man managed to keep him down with his punches. Logan couldnt even do anything about it other than try to freak Parker out and it worked. So if we go by consistency Logan isnt hitting Spider-man.
Again, there's just NO WAY Wolverine would beat Spider-man without the claws. That's too much, man.🙁
you realized logan has knocked out rough house twice in a pure bar fist fight, right? it didnt even take dozens of hits that the spider usually does on his opponents with similar stats.. logan also broke the hulks nose with a headbutt and even slammed kicked hulk into the pavement..
logan also gave thing a good rattle with a kick causing him to make a pain groan..
logan also accidently headbutted she hulk and she even said she was nearly knocked out and asked what his skull was made of.
clearly he can hit pretty hard if he is making these bricks feel pain and even hurt them.. your telling me that a well placed punch, kick, knee from a non holding back logan isnt going to hurt or injure parker when logan hits him in a small concentrated area?
logan is going to be breaking his bones if he gets clean hits on parker
also pls dont compare DP's punching power to logan.. i believe logan broke his jaw and teeth with a nonchalant blow.
Originally posted by SamZED
Adamantium fists? Also barely matters in comics, only by real life logic. Even if Logan hits harder than say DP, its not enough to make a difference. Any punching feat Logan has Deadpool can duplicate.
I have to disagree. How many times it was stated adamantium increased his striking power? Many, many times. "I tap a normal guy, he's out".
Saying that DP can replicate Logan's punching feats sounds ridiculous to me, what are his best punching feats?
About Spider-Man fight, I don't think Logan tried to stab him for realz, maybe make some shallow cuts... he tagged him later in his civies easily, pretty much proving that he's been holding back.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWLots of them. The most recent I can think of would be Wolverine Weapon X, when he fought those Logan-wannabes. He sure didnt want to get shot then. That pretty much happens every few issues in various books. Its just I barely pay attention to things like that so cant name several examples out of my head. Will have to reread lots of books. Logan gets shot in the comics even wen he doesnt want to because writers know that he can take it. But that doesnt mean it should be used to dowplay his speed.
Most of the times? Interesting. I thought most of the times he tanks bullets. Or protects his friends taking them. Give me some examples and we'll talk.I saw it, too.
Exactly like your scenario says? So Murdock, Shang-Chi, Cap also need adamantium claws to even pose a threat to Pete?
The thing is - with Cap, Murdock and Chi Spider-man cant even throw real punches, that slows him down, makes it harder to fight. No such problem with Logan. So, not really, if Spider-man was going all out guys like Murdock wouldnt pose a threat. A slightly pissed off Parker already koed Matt with one lazy punch when Matt attacked him.
Originally posted by SamZED
Lots of them. The most recent I can think of would be Wolverine Weapon X, when he fought those Logan-wannabes. He sure didnt want to get shot then. That pretty much happens every few issues in various books. Its just I barely pay attention to things like that so cant name several examples out of my head. Will have to reread lots of books. Logan gets shot in the comics even wen he doesnt want to because writers know that he can take it. But that doesnt mean it should be used to dowplay his speed.The thing is - with Cap, Murdock and Chi Spider-man cant even throw real punches, that slows him down, makes it harder to fight. No such problem with Logan. So, not really, if Spider-man was going all out guys like Murdock wouldnt pose a threat. A slightly pissed off Parker already koed Matt with one lazy punch when Matt attacked him.
Dude... he was attacking the other adamantium guy then... he was in midair for God's sake 😐 And he dodged their bullets later with no problem. Next example please.
Cap is superhuman and Shang withstood Hiroim's attack... equally distributing damage over his body...
If Spidey ain't mindcontrolled, then DD w/o Reed or razor costume goes down, okay.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
wait till jinzin hears his blasphemies 🤨also those adamantium men were all enhanced so i would think their reaction time would allow for some hits on logan.
Yes, they had enhanced reflexes among others things... and Logan still did NOT get shot.
