Guys, it'd take me forever to respond to every argument. I'll try to cover everything but I cant debate you all at the same time so if you dont mind lets keep it as short as possible.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you realized logan has knocked out rough house twice in a pure bar fist fight right it didnt even take dozens of hits that the spider usually does on his opponents with similar stats.. logan also broke the hulks nose with a headbutt and even slammed kicked hulk into the pavement..logan also gave thing a good rattle with a kick causing him to make a pain groan..
logan also accidently headbutted she hulk and she even said she was nearly knocked out and asked what his skull was made of.
clearly he can hit pretty hard if he is making these bricks feel pain and even hurt them.. your telling me that a well placed punch, kick, knee from a non holding back logan isnt going to hurt or injure parker when logan hits him in a small concentrated area?
logan is going to be breaking his bones if he gets clean hits on parker
also pls dont compare DP's punching power to logan.. i believe logan broke his jaw and teeth with a nonchalant blow.
You dont have to bring all Logan's feats, WS. It's just ive seen them all in the books and the ones I missed I check 20 times in Jin's respect threads because I was a fan of Wolverine for as long as I remember. Speaking of punches, there are also both high and low showings for Logan's too. Like when he was beating up that guy from origin, he said he wasn't pulling his punches, and there were like 12, yet it didnt kill the guy. Deadpool's kicked Colossus off a rooftop, kicked Doc Samson in the face and he felt it, kncoked out Titania, recently punched Moonknight through a wall, Kicked Warpath's face in (back when he was stronger) etc etc Logan's punches arent much harder than Deadpool's. And there's no point comparing them to Spider's. Spider-man's punched THROUGH Ironman's mask, a SHOCKWAVE from his punch shattered pavement in 20 feet radius.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Dude... he was attacking the other adamantium guy then... he was in midair for God's sake And he dodged their bullets later with no problem. Next example please.Cap is superhuman and Shang withstood Hiroim's attack... equally distributing damage over his body...
If Spidey ain't mindcontrolled, then DD w/o Reed or razor costume goes down, okay.
Sure, but Spider-man would stil never go all out on anyone who doesnt have a hf and even then would most likely still hold back, he even holds back when he fights Green Goblin. There's a big difference between "normal Spider-man", "pissed off Spider-man" and "going all out Spider". Normal Spider-man has trouble with Daredevil, Taskmaster, Bullseye. Pissed off Spider-man already oneshotted Daredevil, Taskmaster and Bullseye. Not to mention what he did to Kingpin. Going all out he'd be punching their heads off without getting hit once.
Sorry, man, dont have access to all my books right now. Randomly checked few new avengers and Wolverine books in 73 there are two panels showing him getting shot by a thug and getting gutted by someone, in new avengers getting shot by some ninja stars. The key thing is - Logan gets injured all the time, about as often as Deadpool. They rarely get into a fight without eating a few wounds that'd be lethal to say Daredeviil. Suggesting that he does it on purpose all the time wouldn't be correct. But that doesnt mean that he's slower. It just means that writers have him get wounded because they know he can take it. But when we debate in vs forum we use his top speed and not low showings. Same should apply to Spider-man.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I have to disagree. How many times it was stated adamantium increased his striking power? Many, many times. "I tap a normal guy, he's out".Saying that DP can replicate Logan's punching feats sounds ridiculous to me, what are his best punching feats?
About Spider-Man fight, I don't think Logan tried to stab him for realz, maybe make some shallow cuts... he tagged him later in his civies easily, pretty much proving that he's been holding back.
There are the once I mentioned above, he's also snapped superhuman's neck to 180' with a punch once, kicked Cable's head through a wall, kicked zombie's head off etc etc. Taskmaster and Cable on many occasions commented how powerful his punches are, dont recall Tasky saying that even about Cap's punches. DP's are definitely close to Logan's.
I know logically it should be the case, but the thing is, writers dont care about it. It's also true about speed, Logan was said to be faster without the adamantium, yet his best speed feats were performed when his skeleton was bonded to the metal. It's just not a factor in comicbooks.
Hmm..I dont remember Logan fighting Pete in civies after the cemetry. imo it was clear Logan was going for the stab
Originally posted by jinzin
..... 🤨One showing versus half a dozen isn't a consistency.. that's a minority my friend. 😕
Spider has successfully dodged Logan twice and the graveyard fight is somehwat up for debate given that Wolverine was arguably holding back for Pete's sake, proven the next time they crossed paths immediately after this fight.
We already know Spiderman thinks Wolverine's nearly/as fast as he is.
We've seen him portray Wolverine's speed as superhuman.
We've seen him thinking Dakens illusions were relative to Wolverine's speed.
Wolverine tagging Spiderman doesn't even have to be an issue here, without resorting to low showings Spiderman has an EXTREMELY high consistency of getting hit by good fighters, his entire career has been portrayed like this. Wolverine hitting him isn't even in question. Spiderman can at most dodge 2 out of 3 of Logan's attacks and that's if he's focused on the defensive.
Hey, Jin.🙂 I guess I'll have to read the book again, I just cant remember them fighting after the graveyard. But Logan has thrown like half a dozen attacks that were aimed at him, its up to debate ofcourse, but I dont see Logan holding back when his best friend's life depends on it and the time is running out, especially since Spider-man was himself asking for it and from the book it seems to me that Logan was going for the stab. I wouldnt say it's one vs dozen. Most of the times Logan tried to stab Spider-man (including the time he went berserk) Spider-man dodged the attacks with only two exceptions - during the training and that time Spider-man attacked Logan thinking he's a street thug dressed up like Logan which is understandalbe. And its not just Logan but people with comparable speed - Deadpool, Iron Fist etc. Sure there are low showings against some streetlevelers but they are no more consistent than Logan getting shot and really are just low showings looking at their random display of speed.
When Spider-man compared Daken's speed to Wolverine's I believe it was when he turned his back on Daken and shot webs and Daken moved while he wasnt looking so its more like he assumed that. And though Spider-man's compared Logan's speed to his own he later confirmed that he's still faster, plus when he was comparing their speed he according to the inner monologue was moving much slower than usually. In an open room with lots of space to move I see Spider-man dodging Wolverine for a long time. He'd only get hit when he gets tired and that shouldnt happen soon concidering his stamina.
Again, guys. Im not arguing that Wolverine would win majority over Spider-man. I think Logan would take 6-7/10 cis on. But I cant agree that Logan wont even need his claws to beat Parker. Imo you guys, understimate Parker.