Mace Windu vs. Darth Revan · Star Wars Versus Forum

Darth_Glentract The Truest Sith Lord

Revan could be a lightsider, in which case Vapaads advantage is kinda null. In fact, canonically, he is, so probably gonna say Revan takes this. Some feats are pretty well established as canon, such as him defeating two Tarentateks, which is pretty dang awesome.

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Darth Revan...

Darth_Glentract The Truest Sith Lord

Yeah, but I'm assuming the OP is talking about Revan at the latest point we have seen him, and by that time he's a lightsider, thank you very much.

Ms.Marvel Don't wanna die...

using the dark side doesnt make you not a lightsider. hell look at mace.

that aside, nothing points to revan being mace's equal in... well, anything. people act like shatterpoint and vapaad are the only things mace has going for him.

ares834 Senior Member

Originally posted by Autokrat
Sometimes I feel so alone. I'm the only competent Revan fanboy on the Internet.
🙁

This is true. But half the "Revan fanboys" are simply being sarcastic and ridicule the incompetent fanboys who actually game stats AKA SWLegend.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Revan could be a lightsider, in which case Vapaads advantage is kinda null.

This misconception needs to go away.

Vaapad still has an advantage, because it enables Mace to tap his own inner darkness and employ it in battle - that is one of the main reasons he invented the form, after all.... Facing a darksider is just an added perk.

DrunknClockwork Member

Originally posted by Galan007
This misconception needs to go away.
Vaapad still has an advantage, because it enables Mace to tap his own inner darkness and employ it in battle - that is one of the main reasons he invented the form, after all.... Facing a darksider is just an added perk.

You mean the same darkness which Sora Bulq, one of THE best Swordsmen the order has ever produced, even moreso than Mace had when he fell to the dark side and still got raped by Dooku (whose darkness should've been channeled as well)?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

A+B=C!!!! ermm

Anyhow, Vaapad used Sora. Mace used Vaapad. Big difference.

Hewhoknowsall Restricted

Originally posted by ares834
Revan is lvl 20. Mace is lvl 19. 20>19 ergo Revan>Mace.

Vapaad: +20% vs darksiders and saving throw of 11 vs all dark side Force attacks.

Shatterpoint: +20% chance of critical

Plus, even though Mace is only level 19, his stats are still pretty much the same.

Seriously though, Mace Windu beat Sidious.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Yeah, but I'm assuming the OP is talking about Revan at the latest point we have seen him, and by that time he's a lightsider, thank you very much.

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It said DARTH Revan

truejedi Senior Member

Mace did destroy a droid army. With his fists. A little bit more awesome than killing Tarentaks with mines.

ares834 Senior Member

I pay for those of you who claim Mace can win. May the Revanchrist have mercy on you soul.

Ms.Marvel Don't wanna die...

pay what?

DrunknClockwork Member

Originally posted by Galan007
A+B=C!!!! ermm
Anyhow, Vaapad used Sora. Mace used Vaapad. Big difference.

And where is the difference except for the philosophical bullcrap which doesn't affect the fighting abilities?

You've made the claim that Vapaad is the strongest form even when not fighting against darksiders because it also channels the practitioner's own darkness. If that trait was really that much of a decisive factor then Sora and Deepa would be THE best swordsmen because they already were AMONG the best prior to falling to the darkside.

So no, I'm affraid there is no ABC there.

Jinsoku Takai CIT Network Technician

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Revan could be a lightsider, in which case Vapaads advantage is kinda null...

bangin

Red Nemesis The Blind Critic

the philosophical bullcrap which doesn't affect the fighting abilities?

Your gonna have 2 prove this.

Go ahead. I dare you.

DrunknClockwork Member

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Your gonna have 2 prove this.
Go ahead. I dare you.

What is there to prove? Are you telling me that falling to the dark side automatically disqualifies you from being a master swordsman?

Red Nemesis The Blind Critic

I didn't tell you anything. Nice strawman attempt, though.

I'm prompting you to support your assertion. I'm sure you didn't forget that the burden of proof lies with the person making an assertion.

DrunknClockwork Member

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I didn't tell you anything. Nice strawman attempt, though.
I'm prompting you to support your assertion. I'm sure you didn't forget that the burden of proof lies with the person making an assertion.

Eh, what?
Like I said before, if it actually affected your fighting then darksiders couldn't possibly be counted as master swordsmen. Furthermore when you look at the nature of Vapaad (using one's darkness) I don't see how Sora's alignment would change things.

Red Nemesis The Blind Critic

Originally posted by DrunknClockwork
Eh, what?
Like I said before, if it actually affected your fighting then darksiders couldn't possibly be counted as master swordsmen. Furthermore when you look at the nature of Vapaad (using one's darkness) I don't see how Sora's alignment would change things.

Just to make sure, this is your justification for the statement that there is no difference between Mace Windu's mastery of Vaapad and that of Sora or Bulq? I would so hate for you to endorse a position that you did not fully support.

I will wait for confirmation that this is your stance before I reply.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by DrunknClockwork
And where is the difference except for the philosophical bullcrap which doesn't affect the fighting abilities?
You've made the claim that Vapaad is the strongest form even when not fighting against darksiders because it also channels the practitioner's own darkness. If that trait was really that much of a decisive factor then Sora and Deepa would be THE best swordsmen because they already were AMONG the best prior to falling to the darkside.
So no, I'm affraid there is no ABC there.

Doesn't affect fighting abilities? That's your opinion.

I didn't say Vaapad is "the strongest form". I said that it retains an advantage in battle, because it's proprietor doesn't need to be facing a darksider for it's inherent 'pros' to still be present.

Imo, it is ABC logic.