This isn't fair. I'm sure all of those Potter characters had feats. Mace is the second most powerful Jedi but all we see him do is deflect blaster bolts, Palpatine's lightning, force pull his lightsaber, and survive a pretty high fall. Based on actual Force feats, AOTC Anakin is arguably more impressive.
However, in the EU, characters like Mace and OT Vader are uberly powerful in the Force.
Half of that list doesn't have any Force feats on film, much less seeing them in action.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Same with force choke, it takes at least 15ish seconds to kill.Same with force lightning, it would take a least a minute or so to kill a wizard with it. Force choke/lightning is never shown killing in an instant, or even a few seconds, it takes time.
Didn't Luke choke-out the two pig guards in RoTJ in a couple of seconds.
Wizards can cast spells while they're writhing in pain?
Here, check it out:
At 2:04, the death eaters are half apparating, and they crash right through the thick ass stone wall that hides Diagon alley. How did they do that? Was it brute force, or did they spell the wall while flying? Or are they protected somehow while half apparating?
Also, look from 1:46 to 2:09. See how fast they are? And nimble? They're travelling easily as fast as a fighter jet, and they can turn on a dime. You think a force user is gonna be able to track them and catch them in a force attack? Think again.
And at 2:19, Fenrir and the other two death eaters are standing there, then FOOM they are off, instantly. Hundreds of feet in the air in a second or two.
Now, check the end, the bridge scene. The death eaters are flying so fast and producing such force that the bridge twists and collapses as they circle it.
These are three of Voldemorts lieutenants, imagine what he and Dumbledore can do, or Bellatrix.
So, the battle begins, the death eaters, Voldemort, Dumbledore and the OOTP members begin half apparating like that. Nice, safe money is on the wizards.
Ah yes, That scene.
At 2:04, the death eaters are half apparating, and they crash right through the thick ass stone wall that hides Diagon alley. How did they do that? Was it brute force, or did they spell the wall while flying? Or are they protected somehow while half apparating?
First off its a single layer of brick, so it isn't 'thick-ass', secondly its a fake, magically fake, stone wall, so we have no idea what properties it actually has and thirdly..... something. I can't think of a third thing. But anyway its been long established that half-apparating does weird things to inanimate objects.
Also, look from 1:46 to 2:09. See how fast they are? And nimble? They're travelling easily as fast as a fighter jet, and they can turn on a dime. You think a force user is gonna be able to track them and catch them in a force attack? Think again.
.... No. They're kind of fast I guess, like maybe car fast, but not fighter jet fast. Certainly not as fast as blaster bolts which jedi track with a certain degree of ease.
And at 2:19, Fenrir and the other two death eaters are standing there, then FOOM they are off, instantly. Hundreds of feet in the air in a second or two.
You mean, like, 30 feet, right?
Now, check the end, the bridge scene. The death eaters are flying so fast and producing such force that the bridge twists and collapses as they circle it.
They're not flying that fast. I honestly have no idea what the **** is going on with that scene. They're certainly not casting spells and they aren't even touching the damn thing. My guess: Someone else did it. *shrug*
Now I notice that you didn't mention teh part when they crash into the store. Notice how much it resembles another scene? Say... The attack on the burrow. It seems pretty logical in lieu of that scene that we can assume that instead of magic the half-apparating forms just have some screwy ways of affecting physics, like setting the occasional thing on fire when they crash into it at high-speeds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhePayXx-zg&feature=related As seen here at 0.40 something, multiple of them smack right into the kids and make them stumble slightly. 😬 This is completely different from what they do to inanimate objects so I think its a pretty safe assumption to say that they have a muuuch lower effect on humans that on objects, at least enough that theres no risk that they'll actually be able to harm team 2.
Also, neither Dumbledore nor Voldemort have half-apparated on screen.
Originally posted by NephthysIt's a brick wall, dude, they crashed through it and took no damage. Magic or not, it's a brick wall. If you walk up to it and slam your fist into it, your hand breaks.
Ah yes, [b]That scene.First off its a single layer of brick, so it isn't 'thick-ass', secondly its a fake, magically fake, stone wall, so we have no idea what properties it actually has and thirdly..... something. I can't think of a third thing. But anyway its been long established that half-apparating does weird things to inanimate objects.[/b]
.... No. They're kind of fast I guess, like maybe car fast, but not fighter jet fast. Certainly not as fast as blaster bolts which jedi track with a certain degree of ease.They are going easily 200-300 mph, man.
You mean, like, 30 feet, right?Mo, I mean like 100ish feet.
They're not flying that fast. I honestly have no idea what the **** is going on with that scene. They're certainly not casting spells and they aren't even touching the damn thing. My guess: Someone else did it. *shrug*crylaugh
Now I notice that you didn't mention teh part when they crash into the store. Notice how much it resembles another scene? Say... The attack on the burrow. It seems pretty logical in lieu of that scene that we can assume that instead of magic the half-apparating forms just have some screwy ways of affecting physics, like setting the occasional thing on fire when they crash into it at high-speeds.Wow, you really are out of gas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhePayXx-zg&feature=related As seen here at 0.40 something, multiple of them smack right into the kids and make them stumble slightly. 😬 This is completely different from what they do to inanimate objects so I think its a pretty safe assumption to say that they have a muuuch lower effect on humans that on objects, at least enough that theres no risk that they'll actually be able to harm team 2.Nice, but they are merely buzzing Harry and the others and flying between them. They are not hitting them dead on.Also, neither Dumbledore nor Voldemort have half-apparated on screen.
Your posts seem to be full of guessing and speculating. I have three words for you:
HIGH END FEATS
Also, you telling me that the two most powerful wizards in the world cannot half apparate, when wizards with a fraction of their power can? haermm Who do you think TAUGHT the death eaters to half apparate, genius?
Originally posted by NephthysAaaaaaaaaaahahahaha haermmI can't think of a third thing. But anyway its been long established that half-apparating does weird things to inanimate objects.
.. I guess, .
I honestly have no idea what the **** is going on with that scene.
My guess: Someone else did it. *shrug*
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Originally posted by NephthysIt's got nothing to do with being classy, it just struck me funny, that's all.
Wow, way to keep it classy RJ. 👆 I'm going to bed right now, but you keep on stroking yourpussyego nice and plump till I get back.
With all your guessing and speculating, ignoring screen feats and what not, what else am I supposed to do? It's laughable.
Again, brick wall. It was either brute force or the death eaters spelling on the fly. Pick one.
Me? Spelling. After all, they cats fiendfyre on the fly. So yeah, wizards can half apparate AND cast spells. 😄
"Keep on stroking your ego"....Translation: "Keep on burying any arguments for the force users."
I'll lay this out one more time.
The force users have the following ways of attacking the wizards:
1. Force pull/push. Easily escaped by apparating.
2. Force choke. Easily escaped by apparating.
3. Force lightning. Easily escaped by apparating. Besides, the wizards will never get close enough for the force users to use this.
4. Force crush. Easily escaped by apparating. Besides, if we go by screen feats, Vader can only force crush what is in front of him, and to his left and right, and he must target his attacks. Also, he can force crush no farther than he was shown doing. 10 feet radius, if that much.
5. Saber attack. The wizards won't ever be this close.
Force attacks can only range as far as what we see onscreen. Never, not ever, is a force attack shown with a range of hundreds of feet (which is a distance the wizards can easily attack from, even far beyond that.). Not counting Vaders force choking Ozzel from across the galaxy.
Now, again, the precog. If Vaders precog was shot in ANH when he was focusing on Luke, when Han surprised him, it will be shot here, what with all that will be going on.
In the end, the force users have nothing that the wizard cannot counter easily.
Prove me wrong on these facts.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No more obsessed with sadako and Robtard are with McClane, you gonna condemn them to?People.here.are.obsessed.with.thinking.harry.potter.wizards.are.only.a. bunch.of.fruity.bastards.waving.sticks.in.the.air.
I put an end to all that.
😄
LOLZ RJ Big massive humongous LOLZ
Totally different thing. Realism isn't rejected in those debates (except, typically, by you of course.)
Yes. Thats because they are.
No you didn't. You couldnt put an end to your own dick.
But you have committed debate cred suicide though. 🙂
I've not seen an embarrassing display of weirdly childish behavior like this from an adult member of the Butthurtius-Erectus species before.
😕
Oh. Wait.... Yes....we have.
Hmmmmmm lets see...
McClane Vs Riggs = McClane Wins despite you trying many gimpages
Side Swipe vs Bumblebee = SS loses even even massive gimping
Hogwarts Vs 501st = HP loses even with gimping.
Vader Vs Harry Potter = Hp Loses even with gimping.
And a Harry Potter Versus the force Army thread....?
I wonder what the out come of this'll be.. there may be a pattern forming.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, but that was Luke.Yeah. But they won't be writhing in pain, they'll be cackling as they apparate away for the lulz.
App-a-rate. Come on, say it with me. Aaaaaaaa-ppaaaaaaaa-raaaaaate.
As per YOUR rules here, if one Jedi can do it, they all can, as Force-choke is just another basic application of the Force.
So you still insist that the wizards are faster than both Force-precog and the speed of lightning. Delusional, you are, the fanboyism is strong in this one.
Originally posted by Robtard
As per YOUR rules here, if one Jedi can do it, they all can, as Force-choke is just another basic application of the Force.So you still insist that the wizards are faster than both Force-precog and the speed of lightning. Delusional, you are, the fanboyism is strong in this one.
Force choke is not a basic application of the force, Rob, you know better. Basic applications of the force are applications taught to younglings and padawans. Force pull and push, stuff like that. You aren't gonna give them all force choke now. Try that shit and I'll bring the dementors into the fray.
I insist that the wizards can apparate faster than the force users can track and attack, that's all.
It's all a version of telekinesis, instead of "wrapping" the Force around an object to move it, it's applied to someone's throat. Luke did it; he had incomplete training. As per YOUR rules, it would be a basic power. But you'll gimp the Jedi here, because it doesn't help your little wizards. Nothing new.
Despite the movies showing you they can't, and that Force-precog allows the Force user to "see things right before they happen", as told by Qui Gon Jin and seen with Jedi doing a great job at blocking multiple blaster fire. Yet somehow in your mind, a wizard will teleport, attack and teleport, all in less than a second.
Ride that gimp-horse into the ground, boy.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Force choke is not a basic application of the force, Rob, you know better. Basic applications of the force are applications taught to younglings and padawans. Force pull and push, stuff like that. You aren't gonna give them all force choke now. Try that shit and I'll bring the dementors into the fray.
Tell that to the Sith who train their padawans with the Dark Side of the Force.
I'm beginning to think, RJ, that you should ask Raz to change your name to Rogue Wizard. awesome
"Bong".