Originally posted by Zampanó
Yes, much as Lupin used his wand to defend against the fire at the burrow. So long as there are no Dark Magical properties attached to these attacks, the Jedi can use their abilities to defend against them.
No dark magic attached to them......Hmm........The fire attacks are cast by Voldemort, Bellatrix and Fenrir. Dark magic users.
Just saying.
That's nice. In the Potterverse, Dark Magic is used to refer generally to any number of magics that are considered inherently evil. These are spells that are necessarily fueled by negative emotions. ("You have to mean it, Potter!" -Bellatrix Lestrange) Thus, Crucio is dark because it relies on the will to cause suffering.
The wizards who use these techniques are referred to (again, generally) as "Dark Wizards." Dark Wizards use Dark Magic. However, not every spell used by a Dark Wizard is Dark Magic. Voldemort uses a levitation charm in Deathly Hallows pt. I but levitation charms are not inherently evil. Merely identifying the user of a spell is insufficient to determine whether it is Evil.
QED
Originally posted by ZampanóMhm. Imperio would turn Jedi against Jedi. Awesome.
That's nice. In the Potterverse, Dark Magic is used to refer generally to any number of magics that are considered inherently evil. These are spells that are necessarily fueled by negative emotions. ("You have to mean it, Potter!" -Bellatrix Lestrange) Thus, Crucio is dark because it relies on the will to cause suffering.
The wizards who use these techniques are referred to (again, generally) as "Dark Wizards." Dark Wizards use Dark Magic. However, not every spell used by a Dark Wizard is Dark Magic. Voldemort uses a levitation charm in Deathly Hallows pt. I but levitation charms are not inherently evil. Merely identifying the user of a spell is insufficient to determine whether it is Evil.Read the OP, carefully.QED
Originally posted by Zampanó
Yes, much as Lupin used his wand to defend against the fire at the burrow. So long as there are no Dark Magical properties attached to these attacks, the Jedi can use their abilities to defend against them.
I will even quote it for you RJ. You got lost in the details there, I'm afraid.
Originally posted by truejedi
I will even quote it for you RJ. You got lost in the details there, I'm afraid.
You know, if you read the thread, I said early on that the fiendfyre would, at the very least, be one of many distractions for the Jedi, IF they could force push it to hold it at bay, They are gonna have that to deal with, not to mention death spells coming from every angle, Jedi turning on Jedi after being Imperio'd, Every wizard stronger than Hermione saying confundus, wizards conjuring anything they wish and hurling it at them, vanishing spells, transfiguration spells, apparating and half apparating wizards casting spells on the fly, mind control being chucked at them left and right.......Precog is gonna be overwhelmed, quite easily. The Jedi can only deal with so much before folding.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You know, if you read the thread, I said early on that the fiendfyre would, at the very least, be one of many distractions for the Jedi, IF they could force push it to hold it at bay, They are gonna have that to deal with, not to mention death spells coming from every angle, Jedi turning on Jedi after being Imperio'd, Every wizard stronger than Hermione saying confundus, wizards conjuring anything they wish and hurling it at them, vanishing spells, transfiguration spells, apparating and half apparating wizards casting spells on the fly, mind control being chucked at them left and right.......Precog is gonna be overwhelmed, quite easily. The Jedi can only deal with so much before folding.
At the very least, I'd like some formal retraction of this post:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It does everything that fiendfyre does. It looks like fiendfyre, behaves like fiendfyre, takes the shape of fiendfyre, all of it.Call it what you want.
We have shown that the movies do not offer sufficient evidence to call the attack fiendfyre.
Originally posted by truejediWith good reason. "Felix Felicis, also called "liquid luck", is a magical potion. Felix Felicis makes the drinker lucky for a period of time, depending on how much is taken, during which everything they attempt will be successful."
OP specifically took it from them.Also, I was just thinking today: We haven't even considered Jedi Mind tricks... i guess the wizards have to find the jedi in order to cast spells on them. "these are not the jedi you are looking for" sounds pretty useful.
Not exactly for the Jedi, is it? Also, "It is very difficult to make, disastrous to get wrong, and requires six months to stew before it's ready to be consumed." 30 minutes prep, not 6 months.
Whatever the case, felix felicis is bullshit.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthPrecog is flimsy at best. This has been proven. It CAN and WILL be overwhelmed here.
"Best laid plans" and all that.This is why Jedi precig that works on a floating, not static basis like prep, is for the win.
Originally posted by Zampanó
This is what I was talking about earlier regarding "conceding points." You made the assertion that the fire attacks shown in the movies are fiendfyre. When challenged, you were ultimately unable to show that this particular attack would prove any kind of trump card. The grown up thing to do would be to note that
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[/list]At the very least, I'd like some formal retraction of this post:
We have shown that the movies do not offer sufficient evidence to call the attack fiendfyre.
Looks like fiendfyre, does what fiendfyre supposedly does, what do you wanna hear here? Not sure what your angle is.
Looks like fiendfyre, does what fiendfyre supposedly does, what do you wanna hear here? Not sure what your angle is.
Originally posted by Zampanóhttp://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Fiendfyre
I want to hear you admit that you are unable to substantiate the Dark Magical properties of these fire attacks. Until you can prove that Voldemort and Bellatrix actually used Fiendfyre, the 'fire manipulation attack' remains [b]easily countered. Without proof that the fire is special, the technique is no big deal. [/B]
Tell me that the "fire attacks" don't fit this description perfectly:
Fiendfyre (also known as cursed fire) is a type of fire made from Dark Magic. It is very powerful, as it cannot be put out by Aguamenti (or any normal type of water), but is very difficult for the caster to control. The blaze is so potent that Fiendfyre is one of the very few substances that are capable of destroying a Horcrux.
Fiendfyre initially appears as a "roaring, farting noise" and gives its victims only a moment's warning. Its flames are of abnormal size and take the shape of fire-breathing monsters and beasts, such as snakes, chimaeras, and dragons, continuously mutating. It appears to have enough consciousness to actually follow its intended victims. The fire will pursue nearby lifeforms as if it were alive itself, sentient, even the one who conjured it if they lack control. The fire will also pursue anything it can burn for more fuel and seems to incinerate anything through mere contact.
It is unknown if there is a counter-curse for Fiendfyre; Aguamenti merely evaporates before touching it. Inexperienced casters will be able to conjure it, but will have virtually no control over the flames once they are unleashed, which would make the flames a potential deadly backfire, though an experienced Dark Wizard (like Lord Voldemort) would be able to control it and manipulate it to great effect.