Originally posted by Lord LucienI knew this was coming.
So I've been peeping on the Harry Potter wiki, and I see a discrepancy. Fiendfyre is never actually identified in the movies. Only a bunch of fiery attacks that differ in appearance. No one is ever actually seen using Fiendyre. Not until Part II shows us Crabbe doing it.
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And at one point is that ever described as "Fiendfyre". I want the distinction made between that and regular fire. Fiendfyre was to Dark Magic what Force Lightning is to the Dark Side: There not actually fire or electricity, but manifestations of their respective magic. Since the combatants from the opposing universe can't block their enemies' brand of magic, that means that no Wizard can block Lightning, and no Jedi can block Fiendfyre.
But those videos never actually call them "Fiendfye". It's merely being styled as a projectile, a snake, and a ring. It'd be like a Jedi using the Force to turn on his Tesla cannon from Red Alert.
Originally posted by Lord LucienIt does everything that fiendfyre does. It looks like fiendfyre, behaves like fiendfyre, takes the shape of fiendfyre, all of it.
And at one point is that ever described as "Fiendfyre". I want the distinction made between that and regular fire. Fiendfyre was to Dark Magic what Force Lightning is to the Dark Side: There not actually fire or electricity, but manifestations of their respective magic. Since the combatants from the opposing universe can't block their enemies' brand of magic, that means that no Wizard can block Lightning, and no Jedi can block Fiendfyre.But those videos never actually call them "Fiendfye". It's merely being styled as a projectile, a snake, and a ring. It'd be like a Jedi using the Force to turn on his Tesla cannon from Red Alert.
Call it what you want.
Originally posted by Rogue JediAccording to the novels. We're going by the movies. It is never referred to as Fiendyre, so you cannot make up claims whenever you wish. All we know is they know fire attacks, and fire is manageable to a Force user with telekinesis, super speed, and in Vader's case, fire-proof armor.
It does everything that fiendfyre does. It looks like fiendfyre, behaves like fiendfyre, takes the shape of fiendfyre, all of it.Call it what you want.
It's a manifestation of Dark Magic, and Jedi can't repel or deflect magic. But the movies only show stylized fire, and in every clip it's different: projectile/ring, a snaked, and a moving ring. Even if Bella, Voldemort, or Dumbledore called their own spell "Fiendfyre", it would still leave the other two as blanks. But as it is, none of them call out their attack's name.
Originally posted by Lord LucienIt does everything that fiendfyre does, man. What do you wanna hear?
According to the novels. We're going by the movies. It is never referred to as Fiendyre, so you cannot make up claims whenever you wish. All we know is they know fire attacks, and fire is manageable to a Force user with telekinesis, super speed, and in Vader's case, fire-proof armor.
Originally posted by Lord LucienSo even though it did everything fiendfyre did, you're denying it.
It's a manifestation of Dark Magic, and Jedi can't repel or deflect magic. But the movies only show stylized fire, and in every clip it's different: projectile/ring, a snaked, and a moving ring. Even if Bella, Voldemort, or Dumbledore called their own spell "Fiendfyre", it would still leave the other two as blanks. But as it is, none of them call out their attack's name.
Originally posted by Rogue JediThe novels don't exist in the this match, only the movies. That's how we know what Sectumsempra is, we've seen it written and spoken. Those fire attacks are unnamed and all different, we don't know what they are.
So even though it did everything fiendfyre did, you're denying it.
Originally posted by Lord LucienOK, but they do all that fiendfyre does and more.
The novels don't exist in the this match, only the movies. That's how we know what Sectumsempra is, we've seen it written and spoken. Those fire attacks are unnamed and all different, we don't know what they are.
Choose a name for it.
Originally posted by Rogue JediExcuse me? We don't get to name any spell, or dictate what's what in the movies. Until the movies show us Fiendyre in Part II, and until OoTP, HBP and DH I identify those fire attacks, they will remain just that: fire attacks, with nothing more than regular old fire.
OK, but they do all that fiendfyre does and more.Choose a name for it.
Next?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Excuse me? We don't get to name any spell, or dictate what's what in the movies. Until the movies show us Fiendyre in Part II, and until OoTP, HBP and DH I identify those fire attacks, they will remain just that: fire attacks, with nothing more than regular old fire.Next?
Nah, they did all that fiendfyre did and then some.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
That's fantastic. If the book's mattered here. They don't. So go find the clips in the movie that specifically outline Fiendyre and let's decide which one of those clips you posted is using it.
There is none, how is that important? The fire attacks are powerful as hell, man.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There is none, how is that important? The fire attacks are powerful as hell, man.
Originally posted by Zampanó
The fire attacks are indeed very intimidating. However, unless they are actually fiendfyre (i.e. possess all of the characteristics of that spell as outlined by the books, especially Deathly Hallows) they are certainly not a trump card for the Magical faction. As it stands now, they are little more than manipulated plasma (fire). Lightsabers are particularly good at defending against plasma.
The "fire attacks" are merely the tip of the iceberg here, dude.
And are you implying that the Jedi would use their LIGHTSABERS to defend against it?