Silver Surfer vs Sentry WITH Void.

Started by Rage.Of.Olympus17 pages

Originally posted by kgkg
I never said Bill can do everything Thor can do. I give you a reason why Bill hasn't show those feats lack of appearances.

Tactic that worked on Bill will work on Thor as well. God Blast and Soul Suck is something Thor hardily uses.

The point was that Bill and Thor fighting abilities and power are more identical that any other characters. So yes beating Bill has merits when debating Thor vs Surfer.

😂

Your completely ignoring all the evidence that disagrees with you.

Your like h1n8 but at least that loon realizes the evidence is there and writes it off as P.I.S.

Originally posted by kgkg
I'm not even talking about that.

Thor has a lot of low end feat that doesn't apply to Bill.

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Originally posted by DarkOdin
All of Thor's other incarnations such at Red norvel BRB and Thunder strike are lacking certain thing that make Thor more powerful. 1000' s of year of expereince from how to fight, skills weilding mjolnir, spells . And the biggest thing that sets Thor over the others is he will to fight and push himself to beyond his limits much how Superman always seems to come on top of beings that are his peers.
Say what? TS is a pansy and other incarnation of Thor weaker. The difference is that Bill has the feats to compete and Strombreaker that was created to be equal to M.

I'm amazed at all the experiences etc that Thor is suppose to have but Writer hardly take any of that in to consideration.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He meant figuratively drawing strength from it he didn't act like he was actualy literally drawing energy.

It could mean either way depends in how you look at it.. too each his own..
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Maybe he was putting all of his energy into those attacks? Just because he isn't pulling out black holes doesn't necessarily mean he isn't using all of his raw Power Cosmic.

Again with the increase in durability argument. Thor's durability did no increase.

It's no surprise. Thor's tanked far worse than the Silver Surfer's blasts. Far worse. Warlock's Gem blasts were useless against Thor due to his fortified immortal soul.

The sneak attack Drax pulled?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor1fight1.jpg

Bill did something incredibly similar.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight7.jpg

I don't see any rise in durability. Hell, the Bill scene is even more impressive.

Bill was suffering from extreme injuries dealt to him by Thor. He was far from %100. And Bill isn't not Thor's equal in durability. That much has become obvious. He was still conscious by the way.

Once again, there was no rise in durability. I don't know where your getting this from.

He tanked simultaneous blows from Drax and Maxam unharmed. I just posted a scan of him doing something exactly similar, but instead of it being Maxam, it's the superior Hulk.

Thor tanking 4 consecutive shots to the head from Beta Ray Bill and only being downed moments after tanking a running swing from Beta Ray Bill to the back of the neck is a fair bit more impressive than anything he did in his first fight with the Infinity Watch in terms of durability. The only thing even worth noting for someone of Thor's level as impressive is him shrugging off a blow from Maxam and Drax, which is apparently nothing new if you saw the scans I posted.

Again, everything was consistent for the most part. Nothing is ever going to be exactly consistent however. Especially an arc crossing over 4 different titles. Look at Siege. We have the exact same seen shown in completely different ways at times.

On top of everything, Blood and Thunder is hardly the best Thor has done in terms of feats.

The Warrior Madness is when a god becomes filled with blood lust. Extreme emotion can force someone into it or one can enter it by clearing the mind and becoming a berserker. What Thor was suffering from was a result of the multiple incarnations created which damaged his mind, and caused him to grow more suspicious, until he created an imaginary person that was the madness inside of him personified.

The only thing similar between the two is that Thor runs around spinning his hammer like a maniac. In the true Warrior Madness, he however is still aware of his goals. In Blood and Thunder he was suspicious of everyone.


That just it his all would result in an energy blast effect blackhole which he wouldn't dare do..

Not that one, its the one were Drax and maxam simultaneously hit Thor in the back of the head and front and thor just countered Drax and grab max in the neck compared that with the Inf. crusade where Thor couldn't even retaliate..

And what happened after Bill hit Thor with the hammer? Thor went down as rather tank it..

Right and bill brought down Thor injured while after thor went and mauled everyone even after all the damage his taken from start to end of the arc..

I see that as increase in durability that or either recuperative ability..

like i say either similar to WM diff. way it was brought out but similar symptoms..

^10x strength wasn't one of them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why will it work on Thor since he has a lot more experuience and is a different character than Bill?

So you admit Thor has more options since he's the real deal.

No, just as beating a knian doesn't mean you automatically beat Superman.

Krpt and Superman are vastly different. Superman is royalty.

Just like Asgardian and Thor are vastly different in power. Bad example.

Thor's experience hasn't done him any good he fights like a brawler just like bill. Considering how Thor fights he will try pretty much similar things that Bill tries which was blasting surfer blocking his attacks.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂

Your completely ignoring all the evidence that disagrees with you.

Your like h1n8 but at least that loon realizes the evidence is there and writes it off as P.I.S.

It won't because?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Surfer was KTFO.

He was not holding back. Neither was Thor. Surfer literally states that. Seriously... this isn't meant to be hard for the reader to figure out:


right Thor just got the quick hand..

still Surfer has taken far better attack than single blow fore going down..

Why even ref. to as not true WM if there was no similarities.. i didnt say it is but rather of similar nature..

SS beating BRB is a proxy feat, we don't count feats by proxy. It has no bearing on what would/has happen(ed) in a match between Norrin and Thor.

Originally posted by Ambient
right Thor just got the quick hand..

still Surfer has taken far better attack than single blow fore going down..

Why even ref. to as not true WM if there was no similarities.. i didnt say it is but rather of similar nature..

Which invariably means it wasn't even. Since, y'know... Surfer was KTFO.

True. He still got KTFO here.

Because everyone was worried that Thor was suffering from, y'know, Warrior's Madness? Maybe? Similar because of blood-lust, yes. Similar because of 10x strength-amp, no.

yes.. lols

That Thor was just uber...

++ adam paired him from his first encounter with WM and thought of Insane > WM..

facepalm

You're worse than H1n8 if you actually think Thor was ten times stronger than normal in Blood and Thunder. I know your a Surfer fan, so you can keep thinking there was an amp to help you sleep at night but it doesn't change what actually happened.

Originally posted by Ambient
It could mean either way depends in how you look at it.. too each his own..

That just it his all would result in an energy blast effect blackhole which he wouldn't dare do..

Not that one, its the one were Drax and maxam simultaneously hit Thor in the back of the head and front and thor just countered Drax and grab max in the neck compared that with the Inf. crusade where Thor couldn't even retaliate..

And what happened after Bill hit Thor with the hammer? Thor went down as rather tank it..

Right and bill brought down Thor injured while after thor went and mauled everyone even after all the damage his taken from start to end of the arc..

I see that as increase in durability that or either recuperative ability..

like i say either similar to WM diff. way it was brought out but similar symptoms..

? Since when does Silver Surfer going all out in his attacks result in a black hole?

? That never happened as far as I can tell. Are you referring to this scene?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor1fight8.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor1fight9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor1fight10.jpg

What do you mean Thor couldn't retaliate? They both jumped him and Thor punched Hulk back onto the planet and attacked Drax.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDrax2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDrax3.jpg

Again, I see no increase in durability.

Once again, being insane does not make Thor immune to pain or injury. He was downed for a few moments. No shame in that.

That's because everyone other than Bill relied on power rather than skill and intelligence to take down Thor. A bad tactic. Bill failed when he attempted it too.

And on top of everything (Like I mentioned last post.) Thor has done a lot more impressive things than what he did in Blood and Thunder and he has bounced back from a lot worse.

An amp wasn't one of them though.

Originally posted by dmills
SS beating BRB is a proxy feat, we don't count feats by proxy
This whole VS thread is based it.

If character can beat X , Y , Z he mostly beat A, B, C

If someone beat Captain Marvel he would beat Adam or will do really well type of thing.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

You're worse than H1n8 if you actually think Thor was ten times stronger than normal in Blood and Thunder. I know your a Surfer fan, so you can keep thinking there was an amp to help you sleep at night but it doesn't change what actually happened.

? Since when does Silver Surfer going all out in his attacks result in a black hole?

? That never happened as far as I can tell. Are you referring to this scene?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor1fight8.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor1fight9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/InfinityWatchvsThor1fight10.jpg

What do you mean Thor couldn't retaliate? They both jumped him and Thor punched Hulk back onto the planet and attacked Drax.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDrax2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDrax3.jpg

Again, I see no increase in durability.

Once again, being insane does not make Thor immune to pain or injury. He was downed for a few moments. No shame in that.

That's because everyone other than Bill relied on power rather than skill and intelligence to take down Thor. A bad tactic. Bill failed when he attempted it too.

And on top of everything (Like I mentioned last post.) Thor has done a lot more impressive things than what he did in Blood and Thunder and he has bounced back from a lot worse.

An amp wasn't one of them though.


See the lols..

never because he wouldn't but he can, see the diff. paired it insane Thor's kill rage..

right as oppose to unable to retaliate like say inf. crusade..

A diff. opinion thats all..

anyway ill respond later.. got a poker game starting..

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^10x strength wasn't one of them.

ahh but drawing strength from the madness is..

*Sigh*

Originally posted by Ambient
See the lols..

never because he wouldn't but he can, see the diff. paired it insane Thor's kill rage..

right as oppose to unable to retaliate like say inf. crusade..

A diff. opinion thats all..

anyway ill respond later.. got a poker game starting..

Okay.

Again, since when does Silver Surfer using his all of his power in a blast result in a black hole? Far more powerful attacks have been fired in the past in the Universe without resulting in black holes.

Lol. In Infinity Crusade the two jumped him and attacked him twice and Thor still retaliated. Did you miss the part where he smacks them?

I see no increase in strength or durability in those two different scenes.

Drax and Hulk > Drax and Maxam by the way.

Your opinion is wrong god damn it!

I have to go to bed. We will finish this tomorrow but I doubt I will continue this any longer. I'm losing my patience.

Originally posted by Ambient
ahh but drawing strength from the madness is..
You mean his battle fervor isn't diminished because he's insane?

Face it. Thor's recovered from more severe beatings than four Stormbreaker shots. Unless you're prepared to act like every time Thor's recovered from righteous beatdowns, he's experiencing a variation of Warrior's Madness, which means he really didn't win under his own power... because he was amped... and therefore...

... sorry. Couldn't even explicate such an idiotic notion.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay.

Again, since when does Silver Surfer using his all of his power in a blast result in a black hole? Far more powerful attacks have been fired in the past in the Universe without resulting in black holes.

Lol. In Infinity Crusade the two jumped him and attacked him twice and Thor still retaliated. Did you miss the part where he smacks them?

I see no increase in strength or durability in those two different scenes.

Drax and Hulk > Drax and Maxam by the way.

Your opinion is wrong god damn it!

I have to go to bed. We will finish this tomorrow but I doubt I will continue this any longer. I'm losing my patience.


when he can casually project an energy blast that would in effect result a BH or downright open up quantum singularity @ someone..

Right did you almost miss the part where he is fresh out in that scan compared to the gauntlet of matches his faced and damaged his soaked since the start of his insanity in BT crossover..

I see it..

Infinity watch > Drax and hulk...

night night..

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You mean his battle fervor isn't diminished because he's insane?

Face it. Thor's recovered from more severe beatings than four Stormbreaker shots. Unless you're prepared to act like every time Thor's recovered from righteous beatdowns, he's experiencing a variation of Warrior's Madness, which means he really didn't win under his own power... because he was amped... and therefore...

... sorry. Couldn't even explicate such an idiotic notion.


only in this instance..

Ohh i see it however i have a diff. opinion..

Originally posted by Ambient
only in this instance..

Ohh i see it however i have a diff. opinion..

Well, your opinion is wrong. Especially since you have no way of backing it up and going off of your OWN claims.

You are basically ignoring on panel proof and evidence.