Originally posted by SamZED
Although its been shown Void can take him out with the tantacles, and there's the molecular manip thing he used on Loki and MM that might work, but I agree there's nothing wrong with Thor putting up a fight, but...
Meh, he held the heroes there for a few moments tops when he pierced them with the tentacles *Insert Hentai joke*. Plus he attacked them when they didn't have a chance to brace themselves as I saw. Seeing as what Thor had just went through, his endurance wasn't exactly %100. In the original mini where Jenkins was jerking to Sentry, we saw Thor stave off a whole group of tentacles similar to the ones he used to attack the heroes simply by raising his hand in a "Stop" manner as I recall.
I think Thor could have resisted him if he had the chance. Take the tentacle grasp in Siege #3. People claimed he was helpless but the Void only held him for a few moments. The next issue he killed the Void with a blow despite the Void attacking him with his tentacles.
There is no doubt that the Void had the advantage in that moment, but he didn't truly piss off Thor. Besides Thor was holding back. He didn't want to ruin the remains of Asgard.
That's why he blasted the Void into the empty fields and had him on the ropes. He held back a little less.
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Originally posted by SamZED
"I mean, it's not as if he killed him with a blow or had him on the ropes after he was enraged or anything. Oh wait. 😐".. but dont you have any problems with that?😬 Void getting turned back into Bob by a small nuke after he's easilly resisted the core of the sun and Void being killed by a slam from Thor when getting disintegrated by Morgan Le Fay and taken apart atom by atom by MM (regardless of his powerlevel at the time) didnt permanently kill him?
The only explanation I see - Void chose to stay dead. Well that or PIS, But neither can be used in Thor's favor.
Thor holds back a lot and his shown to kick up a notch. A big notch when enraged. I don't really care. His ability to attack a being has always been beyond the mere physical.
I don't have as much of a problem with the Hellicarrier scene as others seem to have. The Void was on his knees in pain because Thor was working that ass. The explosion just seemed to be the tipping point.
Siege was a good showing for Thor.
Like I said, Thor one shots him and then tosses him into the Sun.
"It had to be done."
Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, its not like loki had any involvement 🙄
Your amazing reading comprehension at work again.
He did. He gave the heroes the second chance they needed.
It should be noted that the Norn Stones effect was not spread out only across the heroes assembled at Asgard but also the heroes at the Initiative base. Even with the power of the Norn stones to himself, the Hood couldn't defeat a bunch of street level Avengers as I recall. Heck, the powered up villains were weaker than they would be normally. Look at how Rogers, Cage, Parker etc. pawned Griffin, Living Lazer etc. in a recent New Avengers issue. The Norn Stones under Bendis aren't exactly what I'd call really impressive. Or maybe Bendis just doesn't know anything about the characters and items he writes. Which is also pretty plausible.
I doubt they gave any serious amp to someone at Thor's level though. His attacks weren't any less effective after the Norn Stone effect wore off. Or maybe they went the way of all things Bendis. Down the shit hole.
did u not see the part were sentry says kill me...it was foreshadowed in DA that he dies only when he wants to die. which is why he didnt regenerate. nothing more then that. thor really is nothing compared to void as it was show before they all got there amps for the norn stones.
thor was unable to hurt void without the stone. even caps was hurting void with the stone. it had to have give thor a big upgrade.
Originally posted by bbrem123
did u not see the part were sentry says kill me...it was foreshadowed in DA that he dies only when he wants to die. which is why he didnt regenerate. nothing more then that. thor really is nothing compared to void as it was show before they all got there amps for the norn stones.thor was unable to hurt void without the stone. even caps was hurting void with the stone. it had to have give thor a big upgrade.
He wanted to die, but that doesn't take away from what Thor did. The Void was in control at that point. He even transformed back into his Void form and was attacking the heroes. It wasn't as if he was kneeling at Thor's feet, waiting for an attack. What was established is that Bob Reynolds cannot die because the Void won't let him. Luckily for him though, the Void pissed off Thor so he ended him.
"It had to be done."
The Hellicarrier scene allowed Reynolds to gain control for a moment, but that was it.
Did you miss the part where he brought him to his knees with his lightning before the Hellicarrier attack and after he lost the Norn enchantment?
Where did Captain America show to affect the Void in anyway. His shield throws didn't seem to phase the Void at all. The Void is beyond simply physical attacks. That's why you can blow a hole in his head and he comes right back unphased. Thor's attacks however, including the hammer throw hurt the Void. Everything else didn't seem to phase him.
it wasnt void saying kill me...it was bob...even when he transformed...if bob didnt want to die that attack would have been like all the rest... ineffective...the only time he hurt void was with the amp...and when bob let himself die...why did void transform back again?.
caps could have kill void to if bob wanted to die...gets his head cut off game over void doesnt regenerate
Essentially, it seemed like Void could only sustain so much damage before it began to add up and give Bob the chance he needed to snap out of being a douche bag. Pretty much standard definition of plot device, imo. At the same time, Void and Bob being at odds with one another is also a form of CIS, as it does effect his powers and wildly all over the place showings.
Based on feats though, and this is where some people either choose to ignore them or simply use the feats used in Siege #4, a lot of High Heralds have enough high end feats to justify them not getting shitstomped by Void in a forum battle. Lose, yes, but not get their shit kicked in. People like Thor, Surfer, and Supes all have feats to justify them resisting molecular manipulation to some degree or another as well as having feats to warrant them having damage output far >>> than a helicarrier asploding. Void is certainly less hampered by PIS in a forum fight, but then again, so is whoever he's fighting.
Originally posted by bbrem123
it wasnt void saying kill me...it was bob...even when he transformed...if bob didnt want to die that attack would have been like all the rest... ineffective...the only time he hurt void was with the amp...and when bob let himself die...why did void transform back again?.caps could have kill void to if bob wanted to die...gets his head cut off game over void doesnt regenerate
Again, Bob Reynolds regained control for a moment, but it was only a moment. Hence why he transformed back into the Void. That personality was reasserting itself as the dominant one again, that's why he attacked the heroes. That's the way I understood it at least. He wanted to be stopped, he wanted to restrain himself, but he couldn't, he just didn't have control anymore of himself, hence why he was asking to be killed. That was the whole point I believe.
Since you apparently ignored that part of my post, and missed it in Siege #4, here's a scan.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Siege01013.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Siege01015.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Siege01015-016.jpg
Note how Thor has the Void down and on it's knees. That would point to the attack being effective. If it wasn't, well he wouldn't have been affected now would he?
The poor damn bastard. Things were going so well for him, but then he had to go and piss Thor off. 🙁
That was one of the main points of the recent Dark Avengers issues. Bob Reynolds cannot die because the Void won't let him. Hence the failed suicide in the Sun. Even when the Sentry allowed himself to be hurt by the core of the Sun, he could not die. Reynolds wanting to die doesn't change the fact that he can't die, at least until Thor stepped in. He couldn't do it himself so he asked the better, stronger man do the job. 👆
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Again, Bob Reynolds regained control for a moment, but it was only a moment. Hence why he transformed back into the Void. That personality was reasserting itself as the dominant one again, that's why he attacked the heroes. That's the way I understood it at least. He wanted to be stopped, he wanted to restrain himself, but he couldn't, he just didn't have control anymore of himself, hence why he was asking to be killed. That was the whole point I believe.Since you apparently ignored that part of my post, and missed it in Siege #4, here's a scan.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Siege01013.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Siege01015.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Siege01015-016.jpgNote how Thor has the Void down and on it's knees. That would point to the attack being effective. If it wasn't, well he wouldn't have been affected now would he?
The poor damn bastard. Things were going so well for him, but then he had to go and piss Thor off. 🙁
That was one of the main points of the recent Dark Avengers issues. Bob Reynolds cannot die because the Void won't let him. Hence the failed suicide in the Sun. Even when the Sentry allowed himself to be hurt by the core of the Sun, he could not die. Reynolds wanting to die doesn't change the fact that he can't die, at least until Thor stepped in. He couldn't do it himself so he asked the better, stronger man do the job. 👆
see ur wrong...bob was still around even though he transformed back...it wasnt void yelling kill me but bob...so he still had some control...and he couldnt die before because he didnt want it bad enough...it wasnt the void not allowing it...and thor teleported him there...he wasnt on his knees...i dont see any indication of yelling or anything of the sort...thor could hurt him in the beginning and he couldnt after the amp. the only reason his final attacked worked was because sentry wanted to die. Nothing more. It pretty obvious
here is where void says he wont die because he doesnt really want to...there is nothing ever stated that void wont let him die
http://s715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/?action=view¤t=DA013023.jpg
so why didnt void regenerate again?
