Thor vs Void Sentry

Originally posted by SamZED
Been away for a while and just looked through several pages. So you people are saying the following - Thor attacked Sentry several times with no effect, been helplessly held by Void and then helplessly watched Void destroy Asgard, needed the amp when Void's tentacle almost killed him along with the other heroes, with the amp attacked Void again with no effect, waited for the hellicarier to crash on him and watched Void murder his brother - ALL THIS TIME he could have PERMANENTLY killed Void with just ONE HIT. Seriously? 🤨 And that Thor could've resisted Void's molecular manipulation (because he has a couple feats) better than [b]Molecule Man himself and that Thor could kill Void with a hit while magically getting turned into nothing and getting taken apart on molecular level TWICE didn't put Sentry down longer than for a few seconds but Thor's hammer slam did and it had nothing to do with Void begging for death? Did I miss anything? [/B]

Most of the discussion is about Void/Sentry being completely inmortal or damage stacking after so much combat -not just from Thor, but from other heroes, hellcarrier and stuff-. Thor cannot kill Void in one hit, but Void doesn't de-morph to Bob on his will either. This second point is where points of view diverge.

Void can tank Thor, can kill Thor and surely can win this combat. Is he batsh*t inmortal to any herald-level attack? People watching fold under a hellcarrier doubt it.

Originally posted by SamZED
Been away for a while and just looked through several pages. So you people are saying the following - Thor attacked Sentry several times with no effect, been helplessly held by Void and then helplessly watched Void destroy Asgard, needed the amp when Void's tentacle almost killed him along with the other heroes, with the amp attacked Void again with no effect, waited for the hellicarier to crash on him and watched Void murder his brother - ALL THIS TIME he could have PERMANENTLY killed Void with just ONE HIT. Seriously? 🤨 And that Thor could've resisted Void's molecular manipulation (because he has a couple feats) better than [b]Molecule Man himself and that Thor could kill Void with a hit while magically getting turned into nothing and getting taken apart on molecular level TWICE didn't put Sentry down longer than for a few seconds but Thor's hammer slam did and it had nothing to do with Void begging for death? Did I miss anything? [/B]

lol, the past several pages do illustrate how dislike for a character can make people abandon all logic whatsoever.

yup^...bob is immortal unless he wants to die...it was explained to use on panel in DA...ignoring that is just ignorance. it shows in siege and say in the fallen sun that bob regained some control and wanted to die. This is were it ends. it does not matter if the void wants to still rampage and kill people. bob has the last say here. He truly wanted to die so he did. Nothing more then that. Void can not stop it from happening as much as he would like to. Thor did nothing more then his normal lighting strike. It jsut that bob did not want to go on any further so he was killed from it this time instead of just reforming.

Reynolds only regained foot hold for only a moment and then the Void took control again. Bob wasn't the dominant personality anymore, it was the Void. The Void was in control at this point, hence why I find it so unlikely that Bob had enough control to allow himself to die. I have no problem with either interpretation though. The Void is a cosmic entity.

it doesnt matter if he was in control or not...thats what im saying...why do you think the void talks about bob not wanting to die bad enough in DA. Its because he has the say to if they die or live. It has been shown in the mini series of sentry that void has no say to what happens

i hope bendis talks about siege so everything can be cleared up lol

Sentry and Void personas are both integral parts of Reynolds and they have overlapped and blurred toghether other times in the past. If the stimulus is sufficient Reynolds acts as one, such as when he finds out his wife is dead and it is the void form that lashes out in anger demanding to know what happened and threatening to kill bullseye (contrary to what one might expect of the void's stated purposes). So even though part of him wanted her dead, the reality of it sent his whole being into grief.

Likewise, Reynolds got pushed over the edge between DA 14 and Siege 4, his wife's death was clearly a turning point for this as she was his last tie to the world. His depression reached final stage in the end of the siege arc and the fact that not a shred of him wanted to live on (unlike the sun situtation) is demonstrated by both forms begging to die.

Even assuming he got permakilled against his own wishes, it is nonsense to believe thor could've soloed him anytime, but didn't out of mercy. Asgard was already destroyed and Thor was still holding back? He only holds back when he sees bob resurface and that's why reynolds attacks him, to force his hand.

In a forum battle Thor loses. So do Superman, Silver Surfer and the high herald Green Lanterns. Sentry/Void is a solid trans level character and these lesser beings aren't putting him down under forum rules.

Originally posted by SamZED
Been away for a while and just looked through several pages. So you people are saying the following - Thor attacked Sentry several times with no effect, been helplessly held by Void and then helplessly watched Void destroy Asgard, needed the amp when Void's tentacle almost killed him along with the other heroes, with the amp attacked Void again with no effect, waited for the hellicarier to crash on him and watched Void murder his brother - ALL THIS TIME he could have PERMANENTLY killed Void with just ONE HIT. Seriously? 🤨 And that Thor could've resisted Void's molecular manipulation (because he has a couple feats) better than [b]Molecule Man himself and that Thor could kill Void with a hit while magically getting turned into nothing and getting taken apart on molecular level TWICE didn't put Sentry down longer than for a few seconds but Thor's hammer slam did and it had nothing to do with Void begging for death? Did I miss anything? [/B]

I don't see how people can say the amp did nothing. Before that, Thor's hits knocked Void back. After the amp, everyone was ripping him into pieces with their attacks.

And you people know Thor is not the physically fastest racer on the track. He has some moments, but he's generally not portrayed as blitzing around. There's not a lot of people who could have stopped Void from destroying Asgard simply because of how fast his flight speed is and how relatively fragile Asgard was.

Although, I'm not sure why he cared so much. He can just make more Asgards like he did that one.

he was getting hurt by the amp..not to much tho...he was just trying to figure out where they were getting there powers from. "magic rocks. No we wont be having any of that. Doesnt seem scared of them at all. Just annoyed at most

Originally posted by Naija boy
lol, the past several pages do illustrate how dislike for a character can make people abandon all logic whatsoever.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm tired of this Thor fanboy shtick. I tried it and it's fun but it gets repetitive. I don't know how TrollBreaker does this shit every single damn day.

I'm going to bed.

Good night quannybun. Don't let the Squirrel Girls bite.

I bet you wish that sg incident was canon, don't ya?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Thor wins. What's this weak argument being thrown around that Void wanted to die? Like Rage said, what's left of Bob managed to say "KILL ME" when Void took over and attacked the heroes. Thor killed Void because Void attacked the heroes. Void spent the better part of Siege fighting off Thor and failing to kill Thor. If he wanted to die, he would've let Thor kill him in Siege 3. He could've let Loki and the heroes kill him but he didn't. Void whined about it being "unfair" and killed Loki as Loki attacked him.

A character also crushing the avengers prior to the bob personality who asked for death also has nothing to do with the fact of why he was killed when he was? Double wow.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Although, I'm not sure why he cared so much. He can just make more Asgards like he did that one.

now he doesn't have it so....

I think it's high time that people just concede Thor won the Siege battle and he wins the KMC battle. durthor

Originally posted by Badabing
I think it's high time that people just concede Thor won the Siege battle and he wins the KMC battle. durthor

Sentry just can't win in KMC ✅

Originally posted by 753
Sentry and Void personas are both integral parts of Reynolds and they have overlapped and blurred toghether other times in the past. If the stimulus is sufficient Reynolds acts as one, such as when he finds out his wife is dead and it is the void form that lashes out in anger demanding to know what happened and threatening to kill bullseye (contrary to what one might expect of the void's stated purposes). So even though part of him wanted her dead, the reality of it sent his whole being into grief.

The closest I've ever seen to the Sentry and Void persona blurring and overlapping is the scene where Bullseye tells Bob, his wife is dead. And even that just furthers Void's foot hold as the dominant personality. The second mini suggest that the exact opposite though. They further separated, and were even called two different entities.

My god, the Sentry is such a mess. I'm honestly confused about how he and the Void relate to each other at this point. I treat the two (Void, Sentry.) as different personalities, striving for control. The Lindsay scene shows that extreme distress can blur the lines, but at the same time the Lindsay scene is one of the main reasons I don't think Reynolds had enough control to weaken the shell of the Void. It's what allowed the Void to become the dominant personality (Something that's been happening for a while.), even in the Sentry form. Ah screw it. I'm tired of rationalizing this shit. The character is not worth it.

Thor killed the Void in one hit. The Void stayed dead because?

A) Thor's blow was simply that powerful.
B) Reynolds willed himself to stay dead.

I'm perfectly fine with either choices. Frankly, I think the second option is the most likely, looking at Bendis' method of thinking.

What I do disagree with though is that Bob weakened his physical form, forcing the Void to be damaged easier or what have you. I just don't think he had the control necessary for that. The Void had already regained control.

Originally posted by 753
Likewise, Reynolds got pushed over the edge between DA 14 and Siege 4, his wife's death was clearly a turning point for this as she was his last tie to the world. His depression reached final stage in the end of the siege arc and the fact that not a shred of him wanted to live on (unlike the sun situtation) is demonstrated by both forms begging to die.

Even assuming he got permakilled against his own wishes, it is nonsense to believe thor could've soloed him anytime, but didn't out of mercy. Asgard was already destroyed and Thor was still holding back? He only holds back when he sees bob resurface and that's why Reynolds attacks him, to force his hand.

In a forum battle Thor loses. So do Superman, Silver Surfer and the high herald Green Lanterns. Sentry/Void is a solid trans level character and these lesser beings aren't putting him down under forum rules.

No one thinks Thor is soloing the Void and ending him in one blow. That asinine. The Void clearly is more powerful than Thor. At the very least, normal Thor.

Just so you know though, after Asgard was destroyed, Thor only attacked the Void once, which was the hammer throw (While amped.). After that, his next attack was consecutive lightning bolts which came after Loki died. Those clearly weren't a picnic for him. It not completely without precedence though. As I recall, the Void didn't exactly look happy with the initial lightning bolt that destroyed most of the Sentry's shell. Of course the Void had not fully manifested (In regards to those who think more tentacles = more Void.)

Originally posted by Badabing
I think it's high time that people just concede Thor won the Siege battle and he wins the KMC battle. durthor

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The closest I've ever seen to the Sentry and Void persona blurring and overlapping is the scene where Bullseye tells Bob, his wife is dead. And even that just furthers Void's foot hold as the dominant personality. The second mini suggest that the exact opposite though. They further separated, and were even called two different entities.

My god, the Sentry is such a mess. I'm honestly confused about how he and the Void relate to each other at this point. I treat the two (Void, Sentry.) as different personalities, striving for control. The Lindsay scene shows that extreme distress can blur the lines, but at the same time the Lindsay scene is one of the main reasons I don't think Reynolds had enough control to weaken the shell of the Void. It's what allowed the Void to become the dominant personality (Something that's been happening for a while.), even in the Sentry form. Ah screw it. I'm tired of rationalizing this shit. The character is not worth it.

Thor killed the Void in one hit. The Void stayed dead because?

A) Thor's blow was simply that powerful.
B) Reynolds willed himself to stay dead.

I'm perfectly fine with either choices. Frankly, I think the second option is the most likely, looking at Bendis' method of thinking.

What I do disagree with though is that Bob weakened his physical form, forcing the Void to be damaged easier or what have you. I just don't think he had the control necessary for that. The Void had already regained control.

No one thinks Thor is soloing the Void and ending him in one blow. That asinine. The Void clearly is more powerful than Thor. At the very least, normal Thor.

Just so you know though, after Asgard was destroyed, Thor only attacked the Void once, which was the hammer throw (While amped.). After that, his next attack was consecutive lightning bolts which came after Loki died. Those clearly weren't a picnic for him. It not completely without precedence though. As I recall, the Void didn't exactly look happy with the initial lightning bolt that destroyed most of the Sentry's shell. Of course the Void had not fully manifested (In regards to those who think more tentacles = more Void.)

Fair enough. I can actually see thor doing the damage he did on his own without reynolds lowering his durability, so thor can pull a temp kill with cumulative damage like that. I simply believe the permakill came through reynolds death wish.

I'm glad nobody believes thor can oneshot sentry, I guess I missinterpreted jokes as serious statements then.

Originally posted by 753
Fair enough. I can actually see thor doing the damage he did on his own without reynolds lowering his durability, so thor can pull a temp kill with cumulative damage like that. I simply believe the permakill came through reynolds death wish.

I'm glad nobody believes thor can oneshot sentry, I guess I missinterpreted jokes as serious statements then.

Cool.

The last few pages was obviously me joking. I was just having some fun with Quan and the others.

I don't actually think that the scale of power goes like this either:

Pissed Thor > Full Power Galactus > Void > Severely holding back Thor > Average Galactus =/> Voided out Sentry

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wow. You really don't comprehend what you read. U guess in your world the writer wanted people to think the Void was just someone who Thor could take it with one blast when he got pissed off enough, right? All those comments about Sentry being omnipotent, powerful enough to destroy the skrull army singlehandedly, powerful enough to crush Thor, Reed, and marvel earth in his first mini was all just a smokescreen to Thor's power when push comes to shove?

Wow, Quanchi is whining again because one of his pet characters got owned. Sentry/Void is omnipotent? But yet you think Thanos can kick his ass? Quanchi logic to the max. Wait, he destroyed the Skrull army? When did that happen? I recall Thor being the pivotal player in removing the bomb. Where was Sentry to stop the Skrull army? Did you read SI or some bio on wiki? Hahaha, oh Quanchi.

Powerful enough to beat Reed and Marvel Earth? I recall Norman telling Void that Reed, Doom, and Stark can beat Void if they put their mind to it. Void sh!t in his pants and stopped his childish outburst. Did you read that part? It wasn't just words, he stopped his outburst after Norman made that threat. Hahaha Void's action > hyperbole.

A character also crushing the avengers prior to the bob personality who asked for death also has nothing to do with the fact of why he was killed when he was? Double wow.

You make it sound as if Thor couldn't replicate such a feat. Thor drop lightning bolts onto the Avengers and no one would be standing either, ask Daken.

When did Void crush Thor? They battled throughout Siege with a tired Thor cracking Void's Sentry form. Thor's hammer didn't damage Sentry as much as his lightning. But his lightning did damage Sentry/Void before the Norn Stones. After Thor got rejuvenated, his lightning was put Void down. Void couldn't stop it at all. Thor pulled out a full blast and killed Void. Void couldn't stop the lightning at all.

Thor wins.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Cool.

The last few pages was obviously me joking. I was just having some fun with Quan and the others.

I don't actually think that the scale of power goes like this either:

Pissed Thor > Full Power Galactus > Void > Severely holding back Thor > Average Galactus =/> Voided out Sentry