Originally posted by -Pr-
umm, no.They were relaunching the Avengers book. The Avengers had to be seen to taking down Sentry as a team, and yet their contributions (bar Iron Man with the helicarrier) were minimal at best.
It's comic politics, not "Thor isn't powerful enough by himself" because christ, when you're a norse god and you need Captain America's help to take someone down, that's a pretty shitty situation.
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That much is obvious. Just look at which attacks were explicitly shown to harm/effect Void. Cap's shield, Iron Man's repulsor rays, Thor's hammer toss, the hacked helicarrier, and a barrage of lightning. Bendis put over the three core Avengers over the most while at the same time showing that Thor is clearly leagues above everyone else.
Hell, once Thor was fully revived, it was obvious his attacks were effecting Void to some degree, "amped", or not.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
he used the odin force to remake the kingdom of asgard as it was in the asgardian dimension to the last brick.now he doesn't have it so....
Originally posted by Doctor-AlvisHe had to lose the Odinforce because it will be so hard to write stories for him when compared to the other avengers he is vastly more powerful to begin even with the OF. Kinda cheesy how they got rid of OF though.
It's supposed to be in the hammer though. I kinda thought he'd be able to use it through the hammer. Also, that was a really crappy way to lose the odinforce. Even if he couldn't just remake his hammer he should have been pretty well off without it. It feels like he only chose to have the hammer repaired because it really pulled the outfit together.
I thought they would give the OF to the new ruler of Asgard but didn't happen.
Originally posted by kgkg
He had to lose the Odinforce because it will be so hard to write stories for him when compared to the other avengers he is vastly more powerful to begin even with the OF. Kinda cheesy how they got rid of OF though.I thought they would give the OF to the new ruler of Asgard but didn't happen.
It doesn't even make sense for him to lose the Odin Force.
1) Thor has repaired Mjolnir on his own on before.
2) The Odin Force cannot simply disappear. It's the life blood of the Asgardians (Heck, that's even mentioned in Thor #604.). The Odin Force is what sustains the realm of Asgard. It can't just disappear.
I'm happy that it did though. JMS' Thor only had a portion, and he didn't seem to be more powerful than his usual self other than the Bor fight and the resurrection of the Asgardians (Although he doesn't apparently need it as he resurrected Sif after he lost it without any problem.).
Originally posted by carver9
Yes, to help take down Sentry.I just think it was pretty obvious that Thor wouldnt be able to solo Void. Void having all of his attention on no one but Thor; Thor would die and easily at that.
Thor would die easily? Here's Sentry blindsiding Thor and being swatted away. The U-Foes, Norman and Moonstone jumping on Thor.
Tired Thor Vs Sentry (Siege 3 & Thor 608). Where's that easy death? Thor even cracks Sentry's body. Sentry then grabs Thor but is ordered to bring down Asgard. I guess grabbing Thor some how means he could've defeated Thor.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusRunning away would imply him leaving the fight not to return. Thor was too stupid to realize what was going on and was oneshotted.
The coward had to run away.I was thinking of something a bit more brutal.
The poor guy can't catch a break.
Thor plus a whole lot of other equipment gave him the edge over one lower level Thanos clone. Thanos laughed at him for believing he beat the real deal.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^Undeniable truth.Thor just held back a little less.
Notice how when Sentry first attacked him Thor was enraged and proceeded to smack him away as a pest. In their next encounter they were simply going toe to toe and Thor seemed to be in a "Whatever man." attitude as if he was half assing it.
Then the poor bastard had to go and get Thor mad again. He killed Loki and from that moment on it was downhill for him.
"It had to be done."
But he did regain control and I agree it's not in character for the Void to want to die at all. He seems to want the exact opposite. Even a temporary death is something he'd beg Sentry not to impose on him. This the reason why I'm claiming it was whatever part of Reynold that still existed which begged for death but that's all he could do.
Apparently even Jenkins thinks the Void regained control so my interpretation doesn't seem to be unique to me alone.
Theres some pretty crazy/desperate rationalizations being made in this thread. The idea that Thor was "holding back" is probably the biggest. Not only did Thor flat out state that he was using "all the power at my command" the idea that he was being careful not to hurt Bob is kinda shot down by the fact that when powered up by the Norn stones he threw his hammer through him. Its kinda hard to say you are trying to go easy on someone when you put a hole in them.
Lastly if you look at the page where the Void dies you will see that Thor is surprised in that at panel when he looks down at the body with Mjolnir raised over his head, ready to strike again. There are three lines next to Thors head which are used by Copiel/Bendis throughout Siege when a character is surprised or shocked. e.g. when cameraman see Ares ripped in half, when Osborn is revealed to be wearing Goblin makeup etc You can see them again on the next page when he is looking down on Bobs body. Its pretty hard to argue against the idea that the reason Thor is surprised here is because he had already hit him with everything he had and it hadnt made much of an impression.
The evidence seems pretty good that Thor wasnt holding back earlier when Asgard and everything else was getting destroyed and that much if not all of Void being dead was due to Bob not wanting to return and probably also making himself more physically vulnerable.
There is another debate over whether it was Bob or Void in the end which doesnt really make much difference to me but here is what Bendis had to say about the matter when interviewed:
With the Void about to unleash hell on the Avengers, I suppose it's a good time to ask you about his partnership with Osborn. We know why The Sentry's alter ego, Bob Reynolds, worked with Norman, but why did his dark half, The Void, also choose to play along?They are the same person. I don't think it's clearly a case of The Void and Bob. It isn't like one personality takes over the other. I think there's varying degrees of each in the different versions that you see, like the best version of Bob had a little bit of The Void in it so he could kick some ass. That was the Sentry who ripped Carnage in half. Without that influence, you get thais simpering guy who can't move. That's Bob on his own.
So, The Sentry is not a classic case of Multiple Personality disorder?
No. I've done those stories before, and I wouldn't classify it as this. Bob is a sick man, with the power of a god, who created The Void to be all these things that are in his head that he cannot control. Scary!
With what we know how about how the Sentry can choose his own power level (as seen against the Absorbing Man) and how he creates his own form as he chooses its not a real stretch to believe he could make himself easier to kill also if he felt like it. Heres Bendis again on Bob creating different physical forms for the Void based on how he feels:
There's been a lot of speculation about this page and what it reveals about the Void's true nature, with one line of thought being that maybe the Sentry's encounter with Carnage back in your first "New Avengers" story ended up with Carnage and the Void merging into a new entity.[Laughs] I saw that too. I also saw that he is now evil incarnate in the form of a red lobster. That's also not true.
What I've always enjoyed about The Void is, the character itself has all these different physical manifestations. They're unexplained until you realize he's got the power of someone, say, like a Molecule Man. He's got power over physical space, but his mental illness makes it where he creates these creatures. Some people with severe bipolar disorders see these creatures in the corner of their eye, and I've actually known people who this has happened to. I knew someone who literally had to sculpt them into creation to make them go away. So my version of this is he is someone who, with his power, literally creates them in the persona of the Void. This is the latest manifestation, and I believe the creepiest.
And I've always loved how different artists have interpreted that. Deodato drew the Void as this black mass, and Jae Lee had him as these tendrils. I like how every artist came up with a different persona for the Void. I think that says a lot about the artist, as well.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Thor would die easily? Here's Sentry blindsiding Thor and being swatted away. The U-Foes, Norman and Moonstone jumping on Thor.Tired Thor Vs Sentry (Siege 3 & Thor 608). Where's that easy death? Thor even cracks Sentry's body. Sentry then grabs Thor but is ordered to bring down Asgard. I guess grabbing Thor some how means he could've defeated Thor.
Thanks for showing me that and good point made.
I think that was Sentry he was fighting (since osborn told Void to contain himself so that people wont be scared looking at the void form) and the last form you seen after Thor cracked the shell was Void using his powers.
Siege shows us plain as day that Sentry is < Thor and without tapping into his Void powers, he wasn't going to beat him. And Void while > than Thor, showed us nothing close to "stomping" him. I guess Thor being "shocked" and just standing there watching Void destroy Asgard (PIS as Thor has witnessed Asgard being attacked in its native realm and has instantly reacted before) and being momentarily in the grips of the astrocrab = stomping to some ill informed people. And I guess Void killing two people weaker than Thor means that Void can ragestomp Thor, too.
It is delicious.
Originally posted by Fifthchild
Theres some pretty crazy/desperate rationalizations being made in this thread. The idea that Thor was "holding back" is probably the biggest. Not only did Thor flat out state that he was using "all the power at my command" the idea that he was being careful not to hurt Bob is kinda shot down by the fact that when powered up by the Norn stones [b]he threw his hammer through him. Its kinda hard to say you are trying to go easy on someone when you put a hole in them.Lastly if you look at the page where the Void dies you will see that Thor is surprised in that at panel when he looks down at the body with Mjolnir raised over his head, ready to strike again. There are three lines next to Thors head which are used by Copiel/Bendis throughout Siege when a character is surprised or shocked. e.g. when cameraman see Ares ripped in half, when Osborn is revealed to be wearing Goblin makeup etc You can see them again on the next page when he is looking down on Bobs body. Its pretty hard to argue against the idea that the reason Thor is surprised here is because he had already hit him with everything he had and it hadnt made much of an impression.
The evidence seems pretty good that Thor wasnt holding back earlier when Asgard and everything else was getting destroyed and that much if not all of Void being dead was due to Bob not wanting to return and probably also making himself more physically vulnerable.
There is another debate over whether it was Bob or Void in the end which doesnt really make much difference to me but here is what Bendis had to say about the matter when interviewed:
With what we know how about how the Sentry can choose his own power level (as seen against the Absorbing Man) and how he creates his own form as he chooses its not a real stretch to believe he could make himself easier to kill also if he felt like it. Heres Bendis again on Bob creating different physical forms for the Void based on how he feels: [/B]
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Originally posted by Fifthchild
Theres some pretty crazy/desperate rationalizations being made in this thread. The idea that Thor was "holding back" is probably the biggest. Not only did Thor flat out state that he was using "all the power at my command" the idea that he was being careful not to hurt Bob is kinda shot down by the fact that when powered up by the Norn stones [b]he threw his hammer through him. Its kinda hard to say you are trying to go easy on someone when you put a hole in them.Lastly if you look at the page where the Void dies you will see that Thor is surprised in that at panel when he looks down at the body with Mjolnir raised over his head, ready to strike again. There are three lines next to Thors head which are used by Copiel/Bendis throughout Siege when a character is surprised or shocked. e.g. when cameraman see Ares ripped in half, when Osborn is revealed to be wearing Goblin makeup etc You can see them again on the next page when he is looking down on Bobs body. Its pretty hard to argue against the idea that the reason Thor is surprised here is because he had already hit him with everything he had and it hadnt made much of an impression.
The evidence seems pretty good that Thor wasnt holding back earlier when Asgard and everything else was getting destroyed and that much if not all of Void being dead was due to Bob not wanting to return and probably also making himself more physically vulnerable.
There is another debate over whether it was Bob or Void in the end which doesnt really make much difference to me but here is what Bendis had to say about the matter when interviewed:
With what we know how about how the Sentry can choose his own power level (as seen against the Absorbing Man) and how he creates his own form as he chooses its not a real stretch to believe he could make himself easier to kill also if he felt like it. Heres Bendis again on Bob creating different physical forms for the Void based on how he feels: [/B]
Responding to this would take too much work. That post you quoted was just me ****ing with Quan and having a bit of fun and not being serious.
At leas the interview part clears up some misinterpretations.
It seems Bendis views the Void and Sentry as more fluid and connected than Jenkins did after he was done. Cool. Then I guess using concepts from the first two minis as proof would be a bit of a fallacy.
I guess then it's option B (Reynolds willed himself to stay dead.) which does seem likely. However, I still need to hear it form Bendis' mouth directly that Bob physically weakened himself and made his form more vulnerable. From what I've been reading, the Void has been the more dominant personality, while the Reynolds personality has been rather clueless lately.
The dashes argument though made me lol.
Has Bendis come out and clarified Siege #4 yet? It wouldn't surprise me if his a fickle ****. According to him Ares can beat Thor straight up.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingDunno man, Thor display that lighting ownage on 1 individual at that time! Would it work on group? Who knows 😛
Void is revealed and attacks Thor and the heroes. Yeah right, Void is more powerful because of this? LolThor owning Daken. Thor's lightning would do the same to that group of heroes.
