Re: slef defence
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
can i get of with self defence on these situation.1. a masked guy run up to my car at night and i shoot him and he dies.
2. a guy is at my window at my house and is trying to break in and i shoot him through the window.
3. im in a bank and bank robber comes in to rob it and i shoot both of them.
4. i just came home from military in a bloody war against the koreans(best friend was killed) and i see a person on the street with a korean flag and he knows i was in the war and taunts me and somehow i kill him because im still delusional about the war.You'd have to deal with some shit, that's for sure. They wouldn't let you out on the street without a psychological evaluation after such a conflict, obviously. In modern days they take extensive measures to prevent PTSD related violence. Also, immigrants who wave foreign flags are pledging allegiance to another country's government. This should be a crime in and of itself, considering that a flag isn't a symbol of culture, but a symbol of government. Doesn't justify shooting him though.
5. an off duty cop pulls a gun on me and i shoot him (not knowing he is a cop)
and, as in any case, if you find yourself in a self defense killing situation.
1. Plead the fifth. Don't reveal anything about the situation, except for:
2. "I feared for the life of myself or a loved one." Is all you should say. Even if they arrest you,
3. just wait until you get an opportunity to get a lawyer. Don't explain, cops don't determine what happens to you, and anything you say can and will be used against you.
Re: Re: slef defence
Originally posted by One Free Man
one, its SELF DEFENSE. Not: SLEF DEFENCE. God.
1. Why would you have a gun at your car at night, (in my state it's illegal to have a gun within arms reach while driving, and the ammo/clips must be in a separate, locked part of the car. would you warn him before you shot? "Stop, I have a gun!" if he continued after this, you might be justified in taking non lethal action, if he had a weapon, you'd probably get away with it. Normally I have a knife instead of a gun (seriously, a gun makes you a target, while a knife can be used for almost anything, and many professions require that you have a fixed utility knife) this makes non-lethal action much easier. Use a knife.NORMALLY he'd stop if he saw you with a gun. You should always warn your target before you shoot if in self defense. The appropriate steps in this circumstance would be to warn him, if he continued, go to another room and call 911, if he is an immediate threat, (knife, gun, etc.) you would be justified in neutralizing him.
It's illegal to have a gun in a bank. Other than that, go for it.
You'd have to deal with some shit, that's for sure. They wouldn't let you out on the street without a psychological evaluation after such a conflict, obviously. In modern days they take extensive measures to prevent PTSD related violence. Also, immigrants who wave foreign flags are pledging allegiance to another country's government. This should be a crime in and of itself, considering that a flag isn't a symbol of culture, but a symbol of government. Doesn't justify shooting him though.Were you doing something illegal?
Did he identify himself as a police officer?
Depends.
People that go looking to see just how much they can get away with under the header of "slef defense" don't strike me as the type who really care if they're doing something illegal.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
no its not weird.. its called being a man and not viewing a person being superior or less then you b/c of a badge and as equals.. which is why i carry it and willing to use it..6 months ago there was a bar fight where guns were fired.. the news guy said a tall black man was involved who had right to carry a weapon.. help stop a robbery and killing of some individual.. the guy killed the robber but also took a shot to the neck.. although he lived..
i was worried b/c i thought it was my friend who is like my brother....
anyways we have isolated towns a few miles from the city in the desert so guns arent really rare and it is probably a good idea to have.
I've really only had one run in with the law that was serious... ok, two, but in the other instance, the officer had probable cause.
The police did an illegal search of my car, and upon finding nothing (I'm not stupid), did an even more illegal search of my belongings.
Because it was an illeagal search, I only ended up losing something like 200 bucks and the police couldn't do anything else.
Inform me how drawing a gun on these officers in my own defense, even if I have a liscense for it, is going to assist me? Or how, when they pat me down, possessing a gun is going to make my case in court easier (a gun, even if found illegally is a huge justification for search, and even in the states, police misconduct doesn't ensure the charges are dropped)?
I really don't care how much of a man you think I am for saying "ok" whenever the cops tried to goad me into an argument, but I've never had cuffs put on me. And trust me, cops are just waiting for loud mouths like how you are describing yourself. They get off on beating the shit out of disrespectful citizens, and we both know the courts let them.
i've already thrown down with the cops more then once.. i have gone to court and walked out without charges..cops abusing their power and committing plain crimes on a civilian b/c they stand up for their rights is unconstitutional and plain wrong. i didnt serve my country just so i can live on my knees b/c some fat f@@# abusive cops can intimidate me and think they can get away with it. you got me confused with some P@#@@ liberal hippy youngster instead of a proud goddamn american who believes in what he fought for.
but you don't otherwise see any advantages to carrying a gun or being confrontational towards police officers?
else, I can clearly establish that I have no problem with being labeled a "P@#@@" if it keeps me from getting my ass kicked or arrested, even if the charges get dropped.
**** man, I know people who have been put in the hospital by the police for being lippy, and nothing happened because the guy had a record.
its sad and its wrong and i am angry that things like that happen.. i am angry that it cost me thousands of dollars to argue a case that i was clearly right/innocent about.. it made me angry that i had to hire private investigator to gather witnesses.. i am mad that my trials were pushed back b/c they were afraid of losing and hoping my witnesses would fade away after a yr. i am angry that the city prosecutor tried to make a deal with me knowing i was innocent but did it anyways b/c he rather not admit to wrong doing.. what kinda system do we live in where the ppl who are suppose to uphold the law rather send an innocent person to jail then admit they are guilty and open themselves to civil lawsuits and counter criminal charges?
the stupid cops and security ppl ended up disappearing as soon as the case was over quitting their jobs rather then be charged and face a civil lawsuit for their actions like a bunch of roaches..
these are the ppl that you and i point my finger at you directly are responsible for having in such position abusing their power harming, killing and harassing honest individual b/c you rather turn away then do whats right whether cause its easier, apathetic or just plain old coward... you can live like that if you want but dont tell me or expect others to be like you and even have the brass to insult them or tell them they deserve what they get for standing up for not just their legal rights but their god given rights whether you believe in god or not.. i think you might profit if you were to get sent to boot camp and taught something about honor, courage upholding certain values above your own petty ones,,, maybe get send to a 3rd world country so you can realize what freedom you do have arent trampled on when you can actively do something about it where in other countries you cant.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
its sad and its wrong and i am angry that things like that happen.. i am angry that it cost me thousands of dollars to argue a case that i was clearly right/innocent about.. it made me angry that i had to hire private investigator to gather witnesses.. i am mad that my trials were pushed back b/c they were afraid of losing and hoping my witnesses would fade away after a yr. i am angry that the city prosecutor tried to make a deal with me knowing i was innocent but did it anyways b/c he rather not admit to wrong doing.. what kinda system do we live in where the ppl who are suppose to uphold the law rather send an innocent person to jail then admit they are guilty and open themselves to civil lawsuits and counter criminal charges?
the stupid cops and security ppl ended up disappearing as soon as the case was over quitting their jobs rather then be charged and face a civil lawsuit for their actions like a bunch of roaches..these are the ppl that you and i point my finger at you directly are responsible for having in such position abusing their power harming, killing and harassing honest individual b/c you rather turn away then do whats right whether cause its easier, apathetic or just plain old coward... you can live like that if you want but dont tell me or expect others to be like you and even have the brass to insult them or tell them they deserve what they get for standing up for not just their legal rights but their god given rights whether you believe in god or not.. i think you might profit if you were to get sent to boot camp and taught something about honor, courage upholding certain values above your own petty ones,,, maybe get send to a 3rd world country so you can realize what freedom you do have arent trampled on when you can actively do something about it where in other countries you cant.
and you accomplished what?
EDIT: and, fyi, one of the values I hold very strong to is non-violence. I'm not a passifist, but I certainly don't agree that I would be in the right for assaulting a police officer for forcibly looking in my backpack. I pretty much feel that is, by far, the greater of the two evils, and from your story above, it looks a little more pragmatic, don't you think?
what i did was single out a group of ppl who committed a crime behind the badge.. cleared my name and proved my innocence. also had them run in fear quit there jobs show their true colors... and the security company who did more then those who supposedly follow the law apologize to me made sure to fire the rest of the security ppl who help lie... the city transet system also hired a new security firm with less douche baggery on their payroll... its all i wanted was acknowledgment of their faults... they placed more cameras and do not allow for missing tapes of such situations without legal ramification.. so how about i made sure what happen to me doesnt happen to some one else by not being apathetic and letting ppl get away with such behavior