"Everyone Draw Muhammad Day" causing waves.

Originally posted by BackFire
I don't think there is. Both involve mockery. It's just the scale of it that changes.

Scale changes a lot.

In Germany people hated Jews and sometimes killed them just for being Jewish. You can't tell me that the Holocaust was just the same thing on a larger scale. That was making a group devoted to that hatred and turning it into a self reinforcing aspect of the culture.

Or if you don't like Godwin look at the different between a mugger and a gang or other organized crime. Yeah, they both attack people but there's more difference there than just scale.

Self righteous groupthink is just as dangerous as any other kind and it only ever gets deeper, more extreme and harder to root out as time goes on.

Scale can change a lot, it doesn't inherently. It doesn't here. One individual drawing Muhammad to make a point is no different than many individuals doing it to make the same point.

You paint it as a dangerous movement, when in reality, it's just drawings. I've seen some, most are just silly little drawings, most in good humor. They aren't hurting anyone, they're celebrating the freedom to draw what they wish. It's simply a protest. Nothing more, nothing less.

And you say it's organized hatred. An irrelevent statement. The only hatred is against those threatening murder and violence. The worst you can say about them is that they don't care if they offend muslims. That's not hatred, that's indifference.

Meanwhile, it seems Facebook has deleted the Everyone Draw Muhammad Day group from their site.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I agree... I mean, are we supposed to be thinking Muslims were stupid for getting offended by something specifically crafted to offend them? It's like the guy who made the urine-dipped cross artwork acting shocked that people got offended.

1. Death threats are a sin for muslims, and:
2. Muhammad was just a man, nothing more nothing less, I mean, Jesus was god on earth and we draw him all the time. Retarded depictions of a surfer boy in a robe, really. Making us Christians stupid for not being offended by this.

Logic also dictates that if we didn't do stupid shit for the sole reason of pissing off the most murderous group of religious fanatics on the planet, they would kill us a lot less. Just because we have freedom of speech doesn't mean we should taunt other people in order to prove it. This makes the whole day stupid.

So really its just a whole load of stupid. Stupid stupid.

Originally posted by BackFire
You paint it as a dangerous movement, when in reality, it's just drawings.

That's a gross over simplification in deliberate ignorance of context.

Originally posted by BackFire
I've seen some, most are just silly little drawings, most in good humor. They aren't hurting anyone, they're celebrating the freedom to draw what they wish. It's simply a protest. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's a protest that is specifically giving a big "**** you" to an entire religion.

Originally posted by BackFire
And you say it's organized hatred. An irrelevent statement. The only hatred is against those threatening murder and violence.

Originally posted by chomperx9
ISLAM CAN BURN IN HELL.

Yep, clearly people can differentiate between nutjobs and Islam in general. In fact the internet is well known for fostering intelligent debate.

Originally posted by BackFire
The worst you can say about them is that they don't care if they offend muslims. That's not hatred, that's indifference.

That's an incredibly fine line to be treading when you consider the history between Islam and the West.

Originally posted by BackFire
Meanwhile, it seems Facebook has deleted the Everyone Draw Muhammad Day group from their site.

That would be Facebook exercising it's rights.

Originally posted by One Free Man
2. Muhammad was just a man, nothing more nothing less, I mean, Jesus was god on earth and we draw him all the time. Retarded depictions of a surfer boy in a robe, really. Making us Christians stupid for not being offended by this.

Does Christianity in general consider depiction of Jesus to be blasphemous?

Nope. perfectly fine with it, although it always comes out cheesy whenever it happens.

It's like if a 7 year old drew a picture of me. I wouldn't care, but it'd be pretty crappy, and give other 7 year olds a cheesy perception of me.

Originally posted by One Free Man
Nope. perfectly fine with it, although it always comes out cheesy whenever it happens.

It's like if a 7 year old drew a picture of me. I wouldn't care, but it'd be pretty crappy, and give other 7 year olds a cheesy perception of me.

No, no, my point is that Islam actually has it as a commandment of some sort that you're not supposed to depict Mohammad. You can't really draw a parallel to Christianity since no such rule exists within the religion about Jesus.

I believe you, but i'd like to have a look at that verse, or is it the one right between "blow yourself up for 72 virgins," and "Women must wear masks over their faces." and "We must wear turbans even though that's hindii."

and other popular misconceptions about the qur'an. I mean, I'm no muslim but it's obvious these guys pull alot of their theology from something other than the qur'an.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No, no, my point is that Islam actually has it as a commandment of some sort that you're not supposed to depict Mohammad. You can't really draw a parallel to Christianity since no such rule exists within the religion about Jesus.

bull.. that only applies to God not anything else.,.. otherwise god be punishing ppl left and right.. 😄

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
bull.. that only applies to God not anything else.,.. otherwise god be punishing ppl left and right.. 😄

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's a gross over simplification in deliberate ignorance of context.

It's not though. They are drawings. They are drawings that will offend some people, but they are drawings none the less. Drawings done for the sake of protesting violent threats. This is the context - fact.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It's a protest that is specifically giving a big "**** you" to an entire religion.

Not really. It's intended as a big **** you to violent extremists. To the rest of the religion, it's a big 'we don't really care about your religion'. And why should they?

Shitting on Christianity is okay. Shitting on Scientology is okay. Shitting on Judaism is okay. Shitting on Islam is okay.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yep, clearly people can differentiate between nutjobs and Islam in general. In fact the internet is well known for fostering intelligent debate.

Yes, people can. Just because one person (who as far as I know didn't even draw a picture) didn't doesn't mean all those drawing pictures are doing the same. And even if they did, so what? People shit on religion all the time. Some people think religion is stupid, Islam is just as stupid as any other religion. If it's okay to say "**** Christianity", then it's okay to say "**** Islam" or something of the like.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's an incredibly fine line to be treading when you consider the history between Islam and the West.

History doesn't placate assumptions of hatred. You seem to think someone drawing a picture of Muhammad during this protest = they must hate Islam.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That would be Facebook exercising it's rights.

Yes, I was just reporting it because it was relevant to the thread and interesting.

Originally posted by King Kandy
But Jesus is god.

jesus isnt god any more then we are...

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
jesus isnt god any more then we are...

making an image of jesus is not making a graven image of god, though

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
jesus isnt god any more then we are...

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
making an image of jesus is not making a graven image of god, though

Originally posted by One Free Man
according to christianity, yes he is. And graven images refers to creating idols to worship.

there is an entire christian sect that shares the belief that jesus is not god but just an angel. so "Christianity" is a little too broad.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Jesus is god.