Balder vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
Pretty much on point with MHO.

I'd imagine he might use those powers 2 maybe 3 times and that's being EXTREMELY generous to him just based on the recent issue.

On here I don't doubt Balder has the tools to defeat Wolverine I just don't see him doing it for the majority.

Cool.

I'd think he'd use them more than that. The think about Balder is that his rarely a character that's focused in the Thor runs. The writers who due focus on him like Walter or JMS and now Gillen seem to make him very formidable and have him using his light powers. The rest of the time Balder is basically more of a background character. His treated as if important but I'd say the Warrior's Three have gotten more spot light altogether.

I think he could.

Originally posted by jinzin
Again you missed the point actually being made in place of the interpretations of some strawman made by your arrogance... sad really. Oh well, at least Rage got it.
Anyone can go back on check any Wolverine fan's interpretation of him pulling a terminator out of the metal on these boards and any one of them ain't giving it credence, we all thought it was stupid.

I didn't say Thor would take all day to KO Logan, now you're not even addressing the right person.

You admit that Wolverine climbing out of vat of molten steel is outright stupid. Balder using his light powers isn't outright stupid. Simple as. Don't put the two concepts together in the same sentence.

I'm not just addressing you. But I find both suggestions to be equally farcical.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Apocalypse said Hulk and Wolverine could fight for an eternity an there might never be a victor. Thor taking a day to ko Wolverine is generous. 😈

Generous to Wolverine.

A pissed off Thor killed both the Hulk and Thing in a few hours. Imagine what he does to Wolverine. 😈

Too can play at this game.

*Finger Pyramid of Evil*

Just for clarification what has Blader's blast down that makes you think it will put Wolverine down for the count? Logan has tanked an ass ton of energy blasts and explosions, and the the last time Blader used his light powers... didn't pretty much just make shit supper bright? I think I remember it leveling a castle once, but Wolverine has tanked worse than that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Generous to Wolverine.

A pissed off Thor killed both the Hulk and Thing in a few hours. Imagine what he does to Wolverine. 😈

Too can play at this game.

*Finger Pyramid of Evil*

In an alternate Universe. In normal 616 Hulk calls Thor a girl and beats him unconscious with his own hammer. 😈

I know the rulings reject alternate timelines, but technically this isn't so much an alternate timeline as a retconned one...

The timeline didn't branch, but got rewritten, but both were basically the same timeline, same characters, zero differences between them.

Kind of like how even though the "Darkseid IS!" timeline was wiped out, we still accept New Gods are capable of a Genesis Box. If this was an Elseworlds, that wouldn't be accepted...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, Rage.Of.Olympus forced you to retract that Balder's use of light powers is as realistic as Wolverine climbing out of a molten vat. What you're doing here with me is acting like you've reworked the balance but are instead still trying to backhandedly justify your original statement to avoid being wrong. Transparency is spelled: T.R.A.N.S.P.A.R.E.N.C.Y.

No one was talking about what's "realistic".. though I'm amused by your assertion of "realism" now that it suits you here.. maybe you could try that in the Phantom Bone thread? 🙄 I was talking about likelyhoods... y'know the part you chose to omit when you attacked that strawman dressed up like me.

He didn't force anything... he got it, you didn't. He's a genuine fellow debator with good sensibility, you're an arrogant ass set to pounce upon your own presumptions... pretty simple.

As far as this "avoidance" issue to being wrong.. I never suggested it was realistic... But again, compared to your own hypocrisy? I've yet to see you retract your statement about Wolverine getting two-shot by Thor...

I'll leave the irony of that last part for me and mine to giggle at.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Just for clarification what has Blader's blast down that makes you think it will put Wolverine down for the count? Logan has tanked an ass ton of energy blasts and explosions, and the the last time Blader used his light powers... didn't pretty much just make shit supper bright? I think I remember it leveling a castle once, but Wolverine has tanked worse than that.

Read Balder #4. Pretty impressive.

I've never seen anyone do what he did.

Originally posted by cdtm
I know the rulings reject alternate timelines, but technically this isn't so much an alternate timeline as a retconned one...

The timeline didn't branch, but got rewritten, but both were basically the same timeline, same characters, zero differences between them.

Every time line that branches off from the path of standard 616 continuity it is given an official Alternate Earth number by Marvel. Any divergence in the time line is an Alternate time line. Best way too look at it is like this: nothing actually changes the 616 Marvel time line, anything that appears to actually result in the creation of a divergent time line, separate from the 616 reality.

Reigning is different from other alternate futures such as Old Man Logan or Future Imperfect. It was the 616. It did happen to 616 characters. Thor however went back in time and had to change events, which resulted in it becoming a divergent time line.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In an alternate Universe. In normal 616 Hulk calls Thor a girl and beats him unconscious with his own hammer. 😈

You...you....BASTARD! RAAAGGHHHH!

It was cannon. It is cannon, to us. Unless you really think your Wolverine. Do you?

Admit to being wrong or concede to being crazy!

Thor stomped Hulk in their most recent encounter. Nearly killed him. It was the beat down I've been SMASHING for!

Hopefully Fraction writes an X-men/Thor crossover.

😈

Originally posted by jinzin
No one was talking about what's "realistic".. though I'm amused by your assertion of "realism" now that it suits you here.. maybe you could try that in the Phantom Bone thread? I was talking about likelyhoods... y'know the part you chose to omit when you attacked that strawman dressed up like me.

He didn't force anything... he got it, you didn't. He's a genuine fellow debator with good sensibility, you're an arrogant ass set to pounce upon your own presumptions... pretty simple.

Just because you don't like having your transparent projection of PIS onto Balder using his light powers backfire doesn't make the person who pointed it out arrogant. And hiding behind the skirt of your more cordial conversation with Rage.Of.Olympus doesn't detract from your blatant projection of PIS onto Balder using light powers as if it were unrealistic. I didn't make you post those words. You did that all your own.

Originally posted by jinzin
As far as this "avoidance" issue to being wrong.. I never suggested it was realistic... But again, compared to your own hypocrisy? I've yet to see you retract your statement about Wolverine getting two-shot by Thor...

I'll leave the irony of that last part for me and mine to giggle at.

Don't hurt yourself.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You...you....BASTARD! RAAAGGHHHH!

It was cannon. It is cannon, to us. Unless you really think your Wolverine. Do you?

Admit to being wrong or concede to being crazy!

Thor stomped Hulk in their most recent encounter. Nearly killed him. It was the beat down I've been SMASHING for!

Hopefully Fraction writes an X-men/Thor crossover.

😈

Am I Wolverine? Well... I am awesome, Canadian and have wicked facial hair (way better than Wolverines btw), but nope I'm far to tall and handsome to be Wolverine unfortunately. 🙁

You and Thor both know that Hulk is the strongest there is. 😉

Hopefully Fraction doesn't write an X-Men anything. He should stick with Iron Man, his X-Men... well... actually its not that bad, I guess. 😎

Wolverine's had his brain penetrated, just not in any valid examples. Sorry.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Every time line that branches off from the path of standard 616 continuity it is given an official Alternate Earth number by Marvel. Any divergence in the time line is an Alternate time line. Best way too look at it is like this: nothing actually changes the 616 Marvel time line, anything that appears to actually result in the creation of a divergent time line, separate from the 616 reality.

So it was all an alternate Thor? Even though it started in the 616 verse, once Thor changed everything it suddenly didn't happen in 616?

But, doesn't current Thor actually remember all that stuff alternate Thor did, as mainstream Thor doing it? He's the one who went back in time and changed it all...

Glad DC doesn't have something like this. That way I get to say Darkseid actually ruled the universe for a bit, and Orion wiped out that universe and recreated it. 😄

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Am I Wolverine? Well... I am awesome, Canadian and have wicked facial hair (way better than Wolverines btw), but nope I'm far to tall and handsome to be Wolverine unfortunately. 🙁

You and Thor both know that Hulk is the strongest there is. 😉

Hopefully Fraction doesn't write an X-Men anything. He should stick with Iron Man, his X-Men... well... actually its not that bad, I guess. 😎

Arrogance. One day it will be your downfall!

Pfff...Hulk wishes.

It isn't that bad. I can't wait for his Thor run to start. You should take out the preliminary artwork. It has the entire Lee/Kirby cosmic feel. Almost New Godish even. It's going to be great.

Originally posted by cdtm
So it was all an alternate Thor?

But, doesn't current Thor actually remember all that stuff alternate Thor did, as mainstream Thor doing it? He's the one who went back in time and changed it all...

Glad DC doesn't have something like this. That way I get to say Darkseid actually ruled the universe for a bit, and Orion wiped out that universe and recreated it. 😄

Yes, Thor does have all of his Reigning memories.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Are you seriosuly arguing that Wolverine hasn't had his brain penetrated? Good god. Still?

Not at all what I was getting at.. nice to see another strawman though... Are you a farmer by chance?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Just because you don't like having your transparent projection of PIS

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
onto Balder using his light powers backfire doesn't make the person who pointed it out arrogant. And hiding behind the skirt of your more cordial conversation with Rage.Of.Olympus doesn't detract from your blatant projection of PIS onto Balder using light powers as if it were unrealistic. I didn't make you post those words. You did that all your own.

Uh... No... your ARROGANCE makes you arrogant. Your continuing efforts to validate your presumptions over our statements vs. their actual/intended meaning makes you arrogant, the fact that you will resort to childish namecalling regardless of the reason in pretty much any debate you ever participate in makes you arrogant.

No one was talking about realism but you... carry on.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor two-shotted Wolverine. Why would I retract that?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, Thor does have all of his Reigning memories.

So it's not admissable as evidence, because it wasn't really Thor. Even though the character who is mainstream Thor, believes he did everything alt Thor did.

O_o Time travel was hard enough to understand before learning about this..

Originally posted by cdtm
So it was all an alternate Thor? Even though it started in the 616 verse, once Thor changed everything it suddenly didn't happen in 616?

But, doesn't current Thor actually remember all that stuff alternate Thor did, as mainstream Thor doing it? He's the one who went back in time and changed it all...

Glad DC doesn't have something like this. That way I get to say Darkseid actually ruled the universe for a bit, and Orion wiped out that universe and recreated it. 😄

Yeah Thor remembers it the same way that some heroes remember HoM (also an alternate Earth), but its still a divergent timeline.

I try not to think about it too much, you'll give yourself an aneurysm or something.

Originally posted by cdtm
So it's not admissable as evidence, because it wasn't really Thor. Even though the character who is mainstream Thor, believes he did everything alt Thor did.

O_o Time travel was hard enough to understand before learning about this..

If someone makes a thread that says blood lusted Thor vs. Hulk and Thing in a brawl, you'd best believe I'm using that scene as evidence.