Originally posted by quanchi112
And? He killed Loki easily and knew they were amping their attacks which maybe hurt more but at the end of the day he can reform so they are just delaying the inevitable.Yes, Thor did but let's face it he's not as powerful as the Void. he can't reform either he just has really powerful rune magic at his disposal.
Void wins but after a long drawn out fight.
He had knowledge of the runes and faced off against asgardian enemies so of course he was well above them. Void wrecked asgard while he dominated an amped avengers team and oh yeah he killed Loki as well.
Oh yeah the Void crushed MM and he's > than Loki from the end of Thor's run there. Yay.
No shame in losing to the Void.
😬 Again, Loki w/Norn Stones =/= Loki w/Asgard's lifeblood amping him. And both are insignificant to Rune King Thor, who was beyond Odin at this point. I'm pretty sure the OF and Rune Magic >>>> Norn Stone amped attacks from one High Herald and some low to high metas.
Bullshit. Odin is more powerful than the Void, Rune King Thor, even more so. RKT has omniscience which pretty much trumps Void's entire arsenal. Combined with stopping time, something the OF has been shown to do on multiple occasions, there's not a whole hell of a lot Void can do to RKT. I don't even get where you get Void being far more powerful from RKT from, especially from Siege.
So Void wrecks RKT...but after a long drawn out fight? Doesn't make sense.
.....WTF. So Void beating Asgardians is more impressive than what RKT did? He beat an Asgard faaaaaar from what it once was. I'd love to see Void come to Classic Asgard and get shit all over by Odin and the gang. Void's feats in Siege do not compare with RKT's in Thor: Disassembled at all. RKT beat a skyfather level Loki (again, FAR MORE POWERFUL than the Loki Void beat), Mangog, and defied Those Who Sit Above in Shadows, Elder Gods who were more powerful than Odin. And yet, Void > RKT.
Molecule Man showing is just about the only one that even places Void in Rune King Thor's league, and if we want to use Bendis' words on the matter, he didn't possess that same kind of power he said he did. Pretty sure Odin or RKT could have beaten the same unstable MM as Void did.
No shame in losing to Void because RKT won't lose, period.
Ahh couldn't sleep.
Originally posted by Blanket Except it hasn't. It could work on Galactus... if Galactus wasn't above those boundries (unlike Void), and if it has ever actually been used against Galactus. It was a time bubble where Void could not penetrate or hit them. It wasn't some sort of shield. It was time, and Void could not reach them.
So if Galactus was fighting the heroes strange can still do this because it’s not depended on Galactus power chances are Galactus would not even be aware of this. Same situation like what GM did to Surfer.
Originally posted by Blanket Nothing proves that he couldn't have. Statements from that issue, and them actually failing to stop him is irrelevant to that power. It is because of CIS, because it wasn't used against him. Strange being scared of Sentry more than God has to do with CIS. This is the same guy who fought LT, IG, Galactus, IB, SG, Dormammu, etc... wait, that was Classic Strange, nevermind. Also, him being scared of Sentry is irrelevant to workable powers. I'm sure Wolverine is scared of Hulk... doesn't stop him from slashing his shit up.
Originally posted by Blanket Nothing can stop him... what a broad statement. Are you implying that Galactus, Eternity, LT, etc, couldn't stop him? Also, about that 'if Strange could, he would'... you do read comics, don't you? You think everytime Thor loses a fight, and doesn't use a Godblast, that the Godblast wouldn't work? You think a weak Galactus couldn't just BFR all of Earth's heroes away? You think that Thor not using any powers against Hulk means they wouldn't work? You think Superman couldn't just speedblitz all his slow enemies? You think Flash couldn't just blitz well... everyone almost? You think... etc. It's called CIS, and building suspense for a comic. Comics wouldn't be good if Strange just stopped time on people, or BFR'd them with a snap.
I never said not using the abilities means that it doesn’t work or wouldn’t work but most of the time we have comparable situation to claim CIS/PIS. In the case of the Void its invalid we don’t know what it is capable of so we can only go by what was shown. What was shown that nothing is effective how can you claim CIS/PIS when you know the only thing we can go by is those stories??
Most of the example you listed the receiving party have already shown they can be affected by Thor’s other power, enemies have been blitz etc meaning they have shown limitation and when you see a slow guy tagging Flash you can claim PIS/CIS but when an unknown character does the same you need a base for why it’s PIS/CIS.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI never said they did I said the Void has no power limits and that owning MM and resisting his attempts to destroy you is far more impressive than beating someone you have always beaten from the time you were little.
😬 Again, Loki w/Norn Stones =/= Loki w/Asgard's lifeblood amping him. And both are insignificant to Rune King Thor, who was beyond Odin at this point. I'm pretty sure the OF and Rune Magic >>>> Norn Stone amped attacks from one High Herald and some low to high metas.Bullshit. Odin is more powerful than the Void, Rune King Thor, even more so. RKT has omniscience which pretty much trumps Void's entire arsenal. Combined with stopping time, something the OF has been shown to do on multiple occasions, there's not a whole hell of a lot Void can do to RKT. I don't even get where you get Void being far more powerful from RKT from, especially from Siege.
So Void wrecks RKT...but after a long drawn out fight? Doesn't make sense.
.....WTF. So Void beating Asgardians is more impressive than what RKT did? He beat an Asgard faaaaaar from what it once was. I'd love to see Void come to Classic Asgard and get shit all over by Odin and the gang. Void's feats in Siege do not compare with RKT's in Thor: Disassembled at all. RKT beat a skyfather level Loki (again, FAR MORE POWERFUL than the Loki Void beat), Mangog, and defied Those Who Sit Above in Shadows, Elder Gods who were more powerful than Odin. And yet, Void > RKT.
Molecule Man showing is just about the only one that even places Void in Rune King Thor's league, and if we want to use Bendis' words on the matter, he didn't possess that same kind of power he said he did. Pretty sure Odin or RKT could have beaten the same unstable MM as Void did.
No shame in losing to Void because RKT won't lose, period.
Thor beating his brother again isn't earth shattering news.
No way is Odin more powerful than the Void. He's nowhere near it and frequently needs to take odinaps to recharge.
Let's just say for your sake Odin is more powerful than the Void even though he isn't he can't defeat him so what does it even matter? Void keeps coming back while Odin keeps expending more energy.
Not just from siege from various writers and the manner in which he is written. The Void already stomped a mudhole in earth once and the only way they could defeat the Void is if he went away. The same thing happened again. Strange, Reed, etc. were present and they were at a loss of how to defeat him. They have both taken out far bigger threats than Odin with prep yet they couldn't defeat the Void. That's how scary he is. Stopping time is just delaying the inevitable as already shown.
Oh geez. Maybe I got carried away when I said wrecks but Void wins this fight hands down. RK Thor was very impressive but considering he was a lot more powerful and faced the same kinds of his eternal foes Odin used to own I am hardly impressed. This stuff won't work on the Void.
Void's feats from his history are far superior to asgard. He's crushed Strange, Reed, earth, etc. and beaten the MM. If you put earth united with strange, richards and company asgard might be going down especially if you have Thor on earth's side like he was in the Sentry's first mini.
I don't care what power he possesses he possessed enough power to crush the MM after he tried his best to kill him. That's so impressive it's scary.
There's no way he beats the Void while the Void brings the pain to Thor.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said they did I said the Void has no power limits and that owning MM and resisting his attempts to destroy you is far more impressive than beating someone you have always beaten from the time you were little.Thor beating his brother again isn't earth shattering news.
No way is Odin more powerful than the Void. He's nowhere near it and frequently needs to take odinaps to recharge.
Let's just say for your sake Odin is more powerful than the Void even though he isn't he can't defeat him so what does it even matter? Void keeps coming back while Odin keeps expending more energy.
Not just from siege from various writers and the manner in which he is written. The Void already stomped a mudhole in earth once and the only way they could defeat the Void is if he went away. The same thing happened again. Strange, Reed, etc. were present and they were at a loss of how to defeat him. They have both taken out far bigger threats than Odin with prep yet they couldn't defeat the Void. That's how scary he is. Stopping time is just delaying the inevitable as already shown.
Oh geez. Maybe I got carried away when I said wrecks but Void wins this fight hands down. RK Thor was very impressive but considering he was a lot more powerful and faced the same kinds of his eternal foes Odin used to own I am hardly impressed. This stuff won't work on the Void.
Void's feats from his history are far superior to asgard. He's crushed Strange, Reed, earth, etc. and beaten the MM. If you put earth united with strange, richards and company asgard might be going down especially if you have Thor on earth's side like he was in the Sentry's first mini.
I don't care what power he possesses he possessed enough power to crush the MM after he tried his best to kill him. That's so impressive it's scary.
There's no way he beats the Void while the Void brings the pain to Thor.
Void has power limits. 😐 Siege showed them in full. He was taxxed to the point of reverting to Reynolds, because he can't control the power he wields. He's limited by his CIS, among other things. He's not omnipotent. So, yeah...don't see where you get that from.
Lowballing, again? Beating a Loki who went from Mid Heraldish to Skyfather with a single move, and preventing him from dying no less, is more impressive than what Void did. Void was getting his shit wrecked by Norn Stones, which pale in comparison to the Odinforce, much less Rune Magic. LOL at "Well, Loki is Thor's nemesis, so beating him isn't a big deal." Context, Quan. I know you can read into it.
RKT beating the strongest Loki has even been in his career with but a gesture is a feat, especially considering that when the two have fought directly, Loki has challenged Thor before. Hell, an early Thor claimed that Loki's sorcery exceeded his own power. And once Thor grew more confident/powerful, he still concedes that fact that Loki can be a dangerous combatant. Again, lowballing to serve your own ends is beneath you, but again, not surprised.
Based on feats, yes he is.
Only he can defeat him. He can BFR him to another dimension/planet, go inside his head and just mentally wreck him, imprison him ala Surtur, etc. Odin's infinitely more versatile than Void. Their feats really don't compare at all.
And Odin couldn't crap on Earth? The same Odin, that while weakened, busted entire galaxies? Reed and Strange have also been beaten by far less than Void with prep, so to claim that Void is the single most powerful entity either have faced is asinine and baseless.
RKT was very impressive...but you're not impressed? 😐
lol...Asgard already beat Earth once. And that without Odin.
You don't care because it hurts your argument and makes Void out to be a little less powerful than you'd like him to be.
There are multiple ways RKT beats Void. It sucks fighting a foe who knows everything that's going to happen ever and has plenty of methods to exploit that knowledge.
Originally posted by quanchi112Guess Void beats Thanos down even worse than Odin did. vin
No way is Odin more powerful than the Void. He's nowhere near it and frequently needs to take odinaps to recharge.
Also... your comments on page 2 are idiotic. Just... just be still. It helps not to aggravate your butt-hurt.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankHe has no limits he's just crazy and the bob aspect weakened his mind by wanting defeat.
Void has power limits. 😐 Siege showed them in full. He was taxxed to the point of reverting to Reynolds, because he can't control the power he wields. He's limited by his CIS, among other things. He's not omnipotent. So, yeah...don't see where you get that from.Lowballing, again? Beating a Loki who went from Mid Heraldish to Skyfather with a single move, and preventing him from dying no less, is more impressive than what Void did. Void was getting his shit wrecked by Norn Stones, which pale in comparison to the Odinforce, much less Rune Magic. LOL at "Well, Loki is Thor's nemesis, so beating him isn't a big deal." Context, Quan. I know you can read into it.
RKT beating the strongest Loki has even been in his career with but a gesture is a feat, especially considering that when the two have fought directly, Loki has challenged Thor before. Hell, an early Thor claimed that Loki's sorcery exceeded his own power. And once Thor grew more confident/powerful, he still concedes that fact that Loki can be a dangerous combatant. Again, lowballing to serve your own ends is beneath you, but again, not surprised.
Based on feats, yes he is.
Only he can defeat him. He can BFR him to another dimension/planet, go inside his head and just mentally wreck him, imprison him ala Surtur, etc. Odin's infinitely more versatile than Void. Their feats really don't compare at all.
And Odin couldn't crap on Earth? The same Odin, that while weakened, busted entire galaxies? Reed and Strange have also been beaten by far less than Void with prep, so to claim that Void is the single most powerful entity either have faced is asinine and baseless.
RKT was very impressive...but you're not impressed? 😐
lol...Asgard already beat Earth once. And that without Odin.
You don't care because it hurts your argument and makes Void out to be a little less powerful than you'd like him to be.
There are multiple ways RKT beats Void. It sucks fighting a foe who knows everything that's going to happen ever and has plenty of methods to exploit that knowledge.
They said it over and over again he has no power limits and it's been established his only weakness is his mind. That's it.
His power level was described as omnipotent. I am not claiming he is literally but I am saying he doesn't have any limits to power.
No, it isn't Thor had access to rune magic while Void overpowered the MM after he tried killing the sentry. That's impressive. Yes, I explained the context and Thor was more powerful than Loki so beating him isn't impressive for him.
How am I lowballing? I am just telling you with the characters in this thread the Void has done far better than beating someone you are more powerful than with rune magic in one move.
Based on feats I say he isn't. MM feat.
So bring will work against the Void? Proof? When did RK thor show the ability to mentally wreck someone?
He's more powerful than Surtur and who has imprisoned the Void in this manner? I guess you can destroy his molecules and he can return but if you imprison him in your body he's as good as beaten? Let go of the Void/Sentry hate.
When have Reed and Strange together with the forces they had in this mini gone down to far less? Yes, because Reed has defeated far more impressive characters than galaxy wreckers as has Strange.
I never said he is the most powerful being ever I said he is more powerful than RK Thor.
I am not impressed when we are talking about the Void, no.
Ok, well Sentry destroyed asgard. Sentry also is powerful enough to destroy earth's forces if he wants to.
I care about what I read and the on panel feat shows me how impressive beating the MM is. You will do anything to try and take away anything you can from the Void simply because you dislike him.
RK Thor only had knowledge per say that related to asgard he didn't have the ig or the heart let's not go completely off the deep end here.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Stick to the topic and Odin never defeated Thanos. That just burns you up doesn't it.
Guess Void beats Thanos down even worse than Odin did. vinAlso... your comments on page 2 are idiotic. Just... just be still. It helps not to aggravate your butt-hurt.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Outside of outright stomping Void with spells? RKT has so much more options and having cosmic awareness he'll likely use them. RKT displayed this when he saw through the guise of recurring Ragnaroks. RKT will know Bob became Sentry through the serum and his struggles to keep the Void at bay.- RKT uses his magic to aid Bob/Sentry's mind to overcome the Void. Then Thor k.o.s an unsuspecting Sentry long enough for a win.
- RKT goes back in time and kills Bob before he becomes Sentry/Void.
- RKT enters Void's mind and destroys him from there.
it was shown that void exists before bob...so fail
and void himself has never been beaten mentally so fail agian
there is nothing thor can to dot beat void...maybe bob but not void
Originally posted by OneDumbG0this is just another attempt at you to derail the topic simply because you're still upset.
It'd certainly be more accurate to state that Odin stomped on Thanos something fierce. And that positively lights the fire of my soul.You have a talent for the phail.
Thanos wasn't defeated on panel the fight was interrupted.
Please look up and try and stick to the topic if you can.
Originally posted by bbrem123
it was shown that void exists before bob...so failand void himself has never been beaten mentally so fail agian
there is nothing thor can to dot beat void...maybe bob but not void
Confused here not directly about this post but just speaking to you in general. Here you seem to be implying Void can't be beaten by anything. Yet you chose Galactus in the Galactus vs void thread. unless you were joking in that thread, what makes you think he wins but nothing will have any effect?
Originally posted by quanchi112If Odin is nowhere near as powerful as Void, then neither is Thanos. Don't pretend that there isn't a disjunction here that you're taking great pains to avoid having revealed.
this is just another attempt at you to derail the topic simply because you're still upset.Thanos wasn't defeated on panel the fight was interrupted.
Please look up and try and stick to the topic if you can.
Odin stomped on Thanos. Thanos couldn't do anything, didn't even threaten him once. Now you're insisting Odin is severely outclassed by Void. And yet... in your opinion, Thanos beats Void.
Some people have to try very hard to meet this level of phail. You, sir, have talent.
Originally posted by bbrem123
it was shown that void exists before bob...so failand void himself has never been beaten mentally so fail agian
there is nothing thor can to dot beat void...maybe bob but not void
Originally posted by quanchi112Y'know, quanchi112... irrespective of your delusional revisionist accounts of Odin stomping on Thanos, here's what you've said before concerning how Thanos would do against Sentry:
this is just another attempt at you to derail the topic simply because you're still upset.Thanos wasn't defeated on panel the fight was interrupted.
Please look up and try and stick to the topic if you can.
Originally posted by quanchi112Hmph. Do you remember when Odin broke out of Thanos' force block effortlessly? I sure do:
Thanos can kick Sentry's ass but that won't really matter since he can reform. I see him keeping him off his toes like the Maker and then the mind whammy.The force block contained a very powerful Thor who was actively amping himself to break free so you can disagree if you want. I think he can hold him in there long enough to get the win.
Yet somehow -- despite you thinking, "No way is Odin more powerful than the Void. He's nowhere near it" -- now Thanos holds him long enough to get the win? lolwut? This isn't me "derailing the thread." This is me pointing out your persistently self-serving logic in these vs. match-up discussions. Again.
Arguments in a debate aren't meant to be incoherent paradoxes. Seriously. Go find some dark place and assume this posture and repeat after Thanos:
Consider the recitals to be your variation of a hail mary. A "hail quanny," if you will. I think three hail quannies for this particular debacle is appropriate. Come back when you're finished. Or don't.
Originally posted by kgkg
Ahh couldn't sleep.There is a big problem with this so your using feats of Strange fighting guys like LT , IG , Galactus to claim that it was CIS the problem is we don’t even know how power the Void is. How can you claim CIS when you don’t even know what the characters are capable of? Void was said to be a treat to the Universe. Maybe it was exaggeration of how scared he was but the intention of the writer was to shown the difference between the characters.
Whatever he is he's not unstoppable that's for sure. RKT is going to kick his Void. Venus, a siren, from Atlas controlled him easily. She's powerful, but I wouldln't gather that her magic is on the level of rune magic backed by cosmic awareness that RKT possessed. By the end of Disassembled: Thor, he performed mostly feats of casting spells to defeat foes like Mangog and Loki with ease. The guy wasn't even trying hard.
AM after absorbing from a fragment of a Cosmic Cube dispatches Sentry/Void. Sentry/Void couldn't do a thing about it. He ain't unstoppable that's for sure. Even the Norn Stones hurt him. RKT with the full knowledge of the Odin Power and Rune Stones is more than enough to beat Void permanently.
Originally posted by bbrem123
it was shown that void exists before bob...so fail
Phail.
When Bob died, Void went with him. Whatever his origin is, the Void needs a host. That serum attracted the Void/Sentry entity I guess. Without Bob, the Void would still be off somewhere in space or another dimension.
and void himself has never been beaten mentally so fail agian
Did you read Agents of Atlas? A f##ken siren owned him like a lapdog. Next time Norman met up with the AOA, he brought audio dampers to prevent another owning by Venus. Thing is she wasn't at the meeting so that was never tested out. Still, it wouldn't have worked seeing as people have tried to cover their ears without success. And her voice is merely a mystical enchantment similar to Amora, slightly more powerful though because even women are affected. RKT is a skyfather/mage with cosmic awareness that was throwing around spells that made Loki and Mangog look like chumps. He's going to own Void hard.
there is nothing thor can to dot beat void...maybe bob but not void
That's rich. Seeing as Thor has the Odin Force, Rune magic, and cosmic awareness that was even given a seat by Those Who Sit From Above, the gods above gods. Then you have Sentry/Void who's a troubled being that knows almost jack squat about his opponent. Vulnerable to Norn Stone magic, controlled by a siren who's magic is far below that of a skyfather, and reality warped by Absorbing Man who had only a fragment of the Cosmic Cubes powers.
Thor's going to release Bob/Sentry mind and have Void is fighting for control. Then he's going to kill them with lightning than wrecks suns and disperse Void's essence the way he did Mangog.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing Whatever he is he's not unstoppable that's for sure. RKT is going to kick his Void. Venus, a siren, from Atlas controlled him easily. She's powerful, but I wouldln't gather that her magic is on the level of rune magic backed by cosmic awareness that RKT possessed. By the end of Disassembled: Thor, he performed mostly feats of casting spells to defeat foes like Mangog and Loki with ease. The guy wasn't even trying hard.
This is not RTK vs Sentry. It's it's Sentry with Void. All the scan shows is that bob can be manipulated. This is nothing new because Bob has been manipulated time and time again. This doesn't really apply to the Void.
This like like me posting a scan of him getting punched she hulk and saying it would work on the Void. Context Bob was mentally unstable and was easily influenced by pretty much anything.
AM after absorbing from a fragment of a Cosmic Cube dispatches Sentry/Void. Sentry/Void couldn't do a thing about it. He ain't unstoppable that's for sure. Even the Norn Stones hurt him. RKT with the full knowledge of the Odin Power and Rune Stones is more than enough to beat Void permanently. [/B][/QUOTE]
This is a debate about the Void.
Norm Stones hurt him well it doesn't really matter even if they Destroy him he can just came back like nothing happened. Also the part of Void screaming in pain was dramatic when even when his entire body was being ripped it didn't really affect him. These type of screaming is common in group battle. This has happens to the likes of Spectre , Galactus etc. nothing new.
