^ Enough with the trolling.
Odin first beat classic Mangog by undoing the original spell. The second time Odin beat classic Mangog nearly cost him his life and that was after classic Mangog physically romped him.
Odin beat Thanos like a b1tch. Thanos never came close to romping Odin nor did Odin have to almost sacrifice his life to defeat Thanos.
You've spouted off-topic horsesh1t about current Mangog when it's classic Mangog being discussed about half a dozen times. You've been repeatedly told to knock it off.
You do it again, you're reported for both trolling and being off-topic.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiOK. So, if my little sister chases Superman away with a clump of Kryptonite, that means she defeated him in combat.
So Odin didn't beat Mangog with a mere gesture once? He did. He's also beaten him other times. Point is, it doesn't matter if Mangog did better other times, the fact is, he got beat by a mere gesture. When Thanos has met Odin, it took much more than a mere gesture, and he didn't even beat Thanos. The only other time they had close to another meetnig.... Showed what an inferior Thanos clone could do with a little prep... beat Odin easily. Nothing I have said is incorrect. Not liking it, doesn't change that fact.
Originally posted by panthergodAll characters power levels fluctuate from comic to comic. Characters have operated at planetary levels in one comic and at less than 50 tons in another. Classic comics were far more inconsistent. Also, Different writer's have different opinions of characters.
Where did he get a power increase?
Originally posted by h1a8
All characters power levels fluctuate from comic to comic. Characters have operated at planetary levels in one comic and at less than 50 tons in another. Classic comics were far more inconsistent. Also, Different writer's have different opinions of characters.
Originally posted by panthergodYou are still thinking of Odin being different from SA to later on. Odin was different in power in different comics IN SA period. Thor was also different in different comics in classic times.
If anything Odin has been downgraded in relative power since the Silver Age.
Evidence suggests that Tyrant would defeat Mangog much like Galactus defeated a full powered Sphinx.
Tyrant would destroy Odin, and he would drain Mangog based on his ability to feed on bio energy or in comic lingo, Biospheric energy. Don't buy that? What then was he siphoning off of the heroes that he had captured? What was he doing to poor Morg? It didn't matter if they were touched by magic, or thoroughly altered by the power cosmic, he could feed on them. Mangog is a sentient glob of bio matter in a gestalt state. (ge·stalt: an organized whole that is perceived as more than the sum of its parts.) Anyway, Mangog would look like a prize hamburger to Tyrant.
You guys think that Mangog or Odin can take a creature down that can do prolonged battle with a satiated Galactus (Devourer)? We've never even seen how Galactus finally defeated Tyrant for the first time. The only thing that is known is that Tyrant was able to get right up in Galactus' face, issue his desires and Galactus backed down. This is a far greater feat than Odin vs Mangog.
Satiated?... Uhm, a satiated Galactus would kick Odin's ass with Odin's ass. Galactus at similar levels battled the In-betweener. They casually destroyed planets as a side effect of their battle. This is not something that I have ever seen from Mangog.
Tyrant would end up choking either Zeus or Odin out after a short period of time. The physical damage that he placed on Galactus is proof enough for me. Also, that team of heroes consisting of Thor, Gladiator, and Silver Surfer level characters could have been dealt with easier than what was intently portrayed. Tyrant dealt with them like a farmer would his chickens. But, make no mistake, he could have easily killed them all if that was his plan. They were his means of nourishment which is a fact that is often left out in order to focus and attempt to low-ball Tyrant being hurt by a Spinsterhood weapon which according to canon were composed of elements capable of harming him. The Spinsters made them because their order was formed to rid the universe of Tyrant.
Mangog on panel was defeated by less than a guy capable of destroying a galaxy while fighting Galactus. Aside from rumors, and tales, what or who did Odin defeat on panel in those classic days? Any on panel battles? I've seen Mangog walk all over Thor, so we know that he is above anyone in Namor's general zip code. Tyrant and Galactus busted planets as side effects of their battle. Big difference in scope if you were to ask me.
Tyrant was full powered despite his diminutive stature or size. If not, then why did Galactus decide on not pressing the attack? Then before their actual battle, Galactus actually preps for the fight by eating a planet said to have made him feel better than he had in a very long time. This was to say that Galactus was operating under optimal conditions when the battle took place.
At the end, Galactus would have lost the fight against Tyrant if not for contingencies and team work set in place. If Galactus fought Odin in that state, he would have would have broken Odin while Morg sat around scratching his arse. Galactus put his eye beams on Thanos and the fight was over compared to Odin was unable to put Thanos down permanently. And, Thanos was amped in his battle with Tyrant, compared to when he faced Odin though with no amp at all.
People are under the impression, that Tyrant was a herald of Galactus. He wasn't. He was made to be Galan's equal. When was it ever stated that Tyrant was depowered? It only states that Galactus weakens Tyrant when he feeds on planets. It lessened Tyrants full potential. He's above Mangog's pay grade in my opinion. Tyrant hit Galactus harder than the In-Betweener. That's above Odin.
Galactus >>>DP Tyrant.
Galactus isn't all that. He's been damaged too many times by heralds to say otherwise. Odin will give Galactus a decent fight.
Tyrant is wanked too hard here. He didn't do anything impressive really. I would say he's a low to mid skyfather. Odin should give him one hell of a fight.
Unsubstantiated skepticism h1. Odin can indeed fight a hungry Galactus, but any other Galactus in the range of "Satiated", means that Odin would have no chance in hell. Nor would Mangog. Tyrant had a satiated (there's that word again) Galactus dead to right, until Morg jumped in to save his master. Not sure what book you read, but it clearly had nothing to do with canon. Besides, you've been seen stating that Mangog, had Herald level strength for some time. Galactus and Tyrant are now below that strength class? Satiated means that Galactus is buffed well beyond a puny Sky Father. You're talking about a hungry Devourer. If you can accept the difference through correction, reality should dawn on you. Willfully ignoring canon to lean on your own opinion, or understanding is trolling. Especially if you're wrong about 80% of the topic.
Remember what level Galactus was on when he fought Tyrant and was unable to KO him. Tyrant then turned around and hit Galactus which completely turned the tide. Tyrant was prepping for his encounter with Galactus for a very long time. He had multitudes of power orbs meaning that he had actually become far stronger than he was when he lost to Galactus. Morg saved the day, because if it were up to Galactus to save himself, he was shit out of luck.
Originally posted by Stoic
Unsubstantiated skepticism h1. Odin can indeed fight a hungry Galactus, but any other Galactus in the range of "Satiated", means that Odin would have no chance in hell. Nor would Mangog. Tyrant had a satiated (there's that word again) Galactus dead to right, until Morg jumped in to save his master. Not sure what book you read, but it clearly had nothing to do with canon. Besides, you've been seen stating that Mangog, had Herald level strength for some time. Galactus and Tyrant are now below that strength class? Satiated means that Galactus is buffed well beyond a puny Sky Father. You're talking about a hungry Devourer. If you can accept the difference through correction, reality should dawn on you. Willfully ignoring canon to lean on your own opinion, or understanding is trolling. Especially if you're wrong about 80% of the topic.Remember what level Galactus was on when he fought Tyrant and was unable to KO him. Tyrant then turned around and hit Galactus which completely turned the tide. Tyrant was prepping for his encounter with Galactus for a very long time. He had multitudes of power orbs meaning that he had actually become far stronger than he was when he lost to Galactus. Morg saved the day, because if it were up to Galactus to save himself, he was shit out of luck.
There is no evidence at all that supports Tyrant would win against classic Mangog.
The original Mangog, product of combining a billion billion beings who were on par with, or beyond Asgardian power level.
Original Mangog, before Odin used his last resort and dispersed Mangog's race.
Original Mangog, who was so powerful, the only option Odin had, was to banish him.
Original Mangog terrified Odin. Odin, who had absolutely no fear or hesitation abount battling Galactus.
Save any comments about a watered-down Mangog in future appearances, (although most of those appearances were Skyfather level).
Of the 4, Tyrant is on the bottom step.
Galactus
Odin
Mangog
Tyrant
Originally posted by Stoic
Unsubstantiated skepticism h1. Odin can indeed fight a hungry Galactus, but any other Galactus in the range of "Satiated", means that Odin would have no chance in hell. Nor would Mangog. Tyrant had a satiated (there's that word again) Galactus dead to right, until Morg jumped in to save his master. Not sure what book you read, but it clearly had nothing to do with canon. Besides, you've been seen stating that Mangog, had Herald level strength for some time. Galactus and Tyrant are now below that strength class? Satiated means that Galactus is buffed well beyond a puny Sky Father. You're talking about a hungry Devourer. If you can accept the difference through correction, reality should dawn on you. Willfully ignoring canon to lean on your own opinion, or understanding is trolling. Especially if you're wrong about 80% of the topic.Remember what level Galactus was on when he fought Tyrant and was unable to KO him. Tyrant then turned around and hit Galactus which completely turned the tide. Tyrant was prepping for his encounter with Galactus for a very long time. He had multitudes of power orbs meaning that he had actually become far stronger than he was when he lost to Galactus. Morg saved the day, because if it were up to Galactus to save himself, he was shit out of luck.
You are looking at average Odin vs Galactus at his best. This isn't fair.
Why not look at both at their best or both at their average. Odin will give Galactus a good fight but lose.
Tyrant is lesser. The only way he can be a threat is through draining Galactus energy. Without that option then Tyrant would lose without much difficulty to Galactus.
Basically, it's plot device that allows Tyrant to compete with Galactus.
Mangog doesn't have that plot device. Also, some will argue that Mangog will feed off The hatred in Tyrant to grow stronger.
Originally posted by h1a8
You are looking at average Odin vs Galactus at his best. This isn't fair.
Why not look at both at their best or both at their average. Odin will give Galactus a good fight but lose.
Tyrant is lesser. The only way he can be a threat is through draining Galactus energy. Without that option then Tyrant would lose without much difficulty to Galactus.Basically, it's plot device that allows Tyrant to compete with Galactus.
Mangog doesn't have that plot device. Also, some will argue that Mangog will feed off The hatred in Tyrant to grow stronger.
Galactus at his best vs Odin at his best would still result in Odin's defeat. It would be a little more difficult than his match against the Sphinx (fully powered Ka stone), but in the end, Galactus at his best would spank Odin. You even see it in terms of Marvel's cosmic hierarchical order. Galactus has always been much further up the food chain than Odin or Zeus. Tyrant was considered to be much more powerful than Odin, or Zeus.
Mangog and Odin can fight an extremely hungry Galactus and do very well, but they'd be obliterated by a charged up with energy Galactus. Tyrant took a heavy hit from Galactus, did not pass out. Tyrant regained composure and assaulted Galactus who needed help to escape. h1, you're entire argument on this topic is backwards. Tyrant would stomp.
Originally posted by StoicI said Odin would lose but it would be a good fight. So I don't understand your point really.
Galactus at his best vs Odin at his best would still result in Odin's defeat. It would be a little more difficult than his match against the Sphinx (fully powered Ka stone), but in the end, Galactus at his best would spank Odin. You even see it in terms of Marvel's cosmic hierarchical order. Galactus has always been much further up the food chain than Odin or Zeus. Tyrant was considered to be much more powerful than Odin, or Zeus.Mangog and Odin can fight an extremely hungry Galactus and do very well, but they'd be obliterated by a charged up with energy Galactus. Tyrant took a heavy hit from Galactus, did not pass out. Tyrant regained composure and assaulted Galactus who needed help to escape. h1, you're entire argument on this topic is backwards. Tyrant would stomp.
You are ignoring my main point. It was a plot device that allowed Tyrant to compete. Tyrant drained Galactus energy. Without this device Tyrant is nothing to Galactus.
Against Mangog there is no such plot device, except that in favor of Mangog.